Bradshaw

[the_boy_jake]

An interesting comparison when you mention Jack learning from him:

Bradshaw averages 5.3 marks per game in his career, Jack already averages 5.2.
Bradshaw averages 9.8 marks per game in his career, Jack already averages 11.2.
Bradshaw averages 1.0 tackles per game in his career, Jack already averages 2.3.
Bradshaw averages 2.3 goals per game in his career, Jack averages 1.3.
Bradshaw averages 1.1 behinds per game in his career, Jack averages 1.0.

Very interesting post Smokey, especially those stats. 

[Danog]

11.2 marks per game?  That's really high.

[WA Tiger]

I just don't believe it, how did we go past him, how did we go past Hall, Fev, Seaby, etc....etc.... because no one thought it was moving forward... We needed at least two of these sort of players for the experience factor. Many on this forum wanted youth and they got it and now they are bagging them...

Is this a joke post?

Hall cost the Bulldogs their 3rd round pick, so it would have lost us Astbury
Fevola cost the Lions their 1st round pick plus a kpp taken with Pick 8, so it would have cost us something like Vickery & Griffiths
Mark Seaby cost the Swans Picks 22 & 118 plus Amon Buchanan in return for Pick 28, so we again would have had to give up our 2nd rounder and lost Griffiths again for someone later in the draft
Bradshaw would have cost us nothing in the PSD, however he still wanted a 3 year deal at 31 years of age on big money.

We should be trading away players who are 27 years old or over, not trying to recruit them

Is yours a joke post??

Where did I say trading draft picks, we could could have traded players, and yeah great idea, lets trade our experience out of the club... ??? 27 years old, wow thats really old isn't it?????

[WA Tiger]

not a fit for us at this stage of his career. The guy deserves a quality side for his last 1-2 years, he wouldve struggled to get a kick in our fwd line.

there's also a school of thought that he could play a key role in establishing a viable forward structure that would assist not only the likes of JR and MM but also a better functioning team meaning we actually capitalise on our I50's. Meanwhile the likes of Astbury and Griff are allowed to develop at their own pace and let their form dictate when they are selected as opposed to how desparate we are. Any way just a thought I know it sounds radical

  . Thats what i'm talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Infamy]

I just don't believe it, how did we go past him, how did we go past Hall, Fev, Seaby, etc....etc.... because no one thought it was moving forward... We needed at least two of these sort of players for the experience factor. Many on this forum wanted youth and they got it and now they are bagging them...

Is this a joke post?

Hall cost the Bulldogs their 3rd round pick, so it would have lost us Astbury
Fevola cost the Lions their 1st round pick plus a kpp taken with Pick 8, so it would have cost us something like Vickery & Griffiths
Mark Seaby cost the Swans Picks 22 & 118 plus Amon Buchanan in return for Pick 28, so we again would have had to give up our 2nd rounder and lost Griffiths again for someone later in the draft
Bradshaw would have cost us nothing in the PSD, however he still wanted a 3 year deal at 31 years of age on big money.

We should be trading away players who are 27 years old or over, not trying to recruit them

Is yours a joke post??

Where did I say trading draft picks, we could could have traded players, and yeah great idea, lets trade our experience out of the club... ??? 27 years old, wow thats really old isn't it?????

We don't have any players good enough to trade for players like Hall, Fevola or Seaby, unless we trade away our kids.
I'd like to know who you think we could have traded away for those mature kpp and rucks.

Any player over 27 is not going to be around when we are successful, better off getting more kids into the side

[tony_montana]

not a fit for us at this stage of his career. The guy deserves a quality side for his last 1-2 years, he wouldve struggled to get a kick in our fwd line.

there's also a school of thought that he could play a key role in establishing a viable forward structure that would assist not only the likes of JR and MM but also a better functioning team meaning we actually capitalise on our I50's. Meanwhile the likes of Astbury and Griff are allowed to develop at their own pace and let their form dictate when they are selected as opposed to how desparate we are. Any way just a thought I know it sounds radical

I highly doubt he would help us capitalise on our f50's, seen the way the ball comes in? There is no rush for us atm anyhow so I see no problem in rotating our young fwds reiwoldt/astbury/post/rance/griffiths/vicks and morton throughout the season
based on form.

Not to mention that he wouldn't be enjoying his footy with us. Cuz had no chice he was for the scrap heap so he was grateful, players like bradshaw who are in their twilight have no motivation to play for a shocking footy team when he can still contribute towards a premiersp tilt. See your point, but wouldn't have worked

[Smokey]

11.2 marks per game?  That's really high.

Sorry Danog, cut and paste error!  11.2 disposals - have corrected my original post.   

[bojangles17]

not a fit for us at this stage of his career. The guy deserves a quality side for his last 1-2 years, he wouldve struggled to get a kick in our fwd line.

there's also a school of thought that he could play a key role in establishing a viable forward structure that would assist not only the likes of JR and MM but also a better functioning team meaning we actually capitalise on our I50's. Meanwhile the likes of Astbury and Griff are allowed to develop at their own pace and let their form dictate when they are selected as opposed to how desparate we are. Any way just a thought I know it sounds radical

I highly doubt he would help us capitalise on our f50's, seen the way the ball comes in? There is no rush for us atm anyhow so I see no problem in rotating our young fwds reiwoldt/astbury/post/rance/griffiths/vicks and morton throughout the season
based on form.

Not to mention that he wouldn't be enjoying his footy with us. Cuz had no chice he was for the scrap heap so he was grateful, players like bradshaw who are in their twilight have no motivation to play for a shocking footy team when he can still contribute towards a premiersp tilt. See your point, but wouldn't have worked

hmmm, how were the swans travelling when Lockett arrived ...Howza about the ol sainters when Gherig lobbed ???..We had plenty of money to splash around given the space in our cap, Im sure we could have provided all the motivation in the world..try $10,000 per goal

[tony_montana]

not a fit for us at this stage of his career. The guy deserves a quality side for his last 1-2 years, he wouldve struggled to get a kick in our fwd line.

there's also a school of thought that he could play a key role in establishing a viable forward structure that would assist not only the likes of JR and MM but also a better functioning team meaning we actually capitalise on our I50's. Meanwhile the likes of Astbury and Griff are allowed to develop at their own pace and let their form dictate when they are selected as opposed to how desparate we are. Any way just a thought I know it sounds radical

I highly doubt he would help us capitalise on our f50's, seen the way the ball comes in? There is no rush for us atm anyhow so I see no problem in rotating our young fwds reiwoldt/astbury/post/rance/griffiths/vicks and morton throughout the season
based on form.

Not to mention that he wouldn't be enjoying his footy with us. Cuz had no chice he was for the scrap heap so he was grateful, players like bradshaw who are in their twilight have no motivation to play for a shocking footy team when he can still contribute towards a premiersp tilt. See your point, but wouldn't have worked

hmmm, how were the swans travelling when Lockett arrived ...Howza about the ol sainters when Gherig lobbed ???..We had plenty of money to splash around given the space in our cap, Im sure we could have provided all the motivation in the world..try $10,000 per goal

ridiculous comparisons    Lockett and gherig had years ahead of them to grow into a successful unit, how long did they both play on for once making the switch? bradshaw will be enjoying retiremnt and we'll still be poo, you're talking crap now bo

[Smokey]

hmmm, how were the swans travelling when Lockett arrived ...Howza about the ol sainters when Gherig lobbed ???..We had plenty of money to splash around given the space in our cap, Im sure we could have provided all the motivation in the world..try $10,000 per goal

Actually (and sadly) Mr Bojangles, I remember it quite well and they were travelling well down an upward path of improvement.  The club had plummeted after the heady Edelstein days and the AFL sent Barassi to Sydney as a 'public' face to coach the club and engage the local population.  Even though his 2 years were not statistically great he impacted heavily in the areas of positive PR and cultural change - he was the father of the culture that is the modern day Sydney.  In his 2nd of 2 years as coach he recruited Lockett to add to a growing list of promising juniors that was being assembled.  He stepped down at the end of '04 and Eade took over.  In Lockett's 2nd year with the club they played in a Grand Final.  Sydney won 1 game 2 years before Lockett, 4 games the year before him, 8 in his first season and then a Grand Final.  Lockett added to a list that was already on it's way.  In 3 years time will be our time to look for and possibly chase a Lockett but not yet.