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Re: Richmond primed for top four, says David King ......... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2012, 08:20:12 AM »
At least Ralphy got the right year (2001) in this article.

Finals or bust for Richmond Tigers in 2013

    Jon Ralph
    From: Herald Sun
    December 12, 2012


RICHMOND hasn't become the Visy Tigers because it is ready to win a premiership.

It has topped up with enough recycled players to make Jeanne Pratt proud because it can't even beat Gold Coast.

Kurt Tippett might have finally arrived at Sydney yesterday, but the headline act of the pre-season and rookie drafts was still Damien Hardwick's Tigers.

You can't recruit Sam Lonergan, Ricky Petterd and Orren Stephenson without immediately heaping expectation upon the AFL's most persistent underachiever of the past 30 seasons.

Richmond knows it and those Twitter wags yesterday suggesting a Visy sponsorship know it.

In all, Richmond has added six recycled players in the space of one off-season hit, with Aaron Edwards lured in the trade period and Troy Chaplin and Chris Knights added through free agency.

Not even the reality the six players were effectively taken for the swapped No.74 pick it took to get Edwards will stop some from believing Richmond is getting ahead of itself.

But inside Punt Road this off-season, the reality is very different.

Hardwick was totally aware that as injuries finally hit Richmond in the last half of the 2012 season, they had no one left to turn to.

No back-up for Ivan Maric when his groins started screaming, no second-forward option when Jack Riewoldt got sore and Tyrone Vickery busted up his shoulders.

And no midfield depth when Dustin Martin was suspended and Nathan Foley's troublesome achilles flared up again.

It saw the Tigers win just three of the last eight games, unable to beat Gold Coast for a second successive year and only drawing the Round 23 clash against easybeats Port Adelaide.

Petterd and Edwards won't tear a game apart, but they might draw enough attention from Riewoldt to let him explode.

Ditto for Sam Lonergan and Knights in the midfield rotation, who will allow Brett Deledio, Martin and Trent Cotchin to spend more time forward of centre.

So while the recruiting spree will add heat to the Carlton-Richmond Round 1 clash, it is really about ensuring that first finals campaign since 2001, not the Tigers setting their sights on a flag.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/finals-or-bust-for-richmond-tigers-in-2013/story-fn7shx05-1226534825190
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Re: Richmond primed for top four, says David King ......... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2012, 01:31:51 PM »
He has more than one groin?  Has he got four legs? Interweb pernster?

Actually everyone has two groin muscles

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Re: Richmond primed for top four, says David King ......... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2012, 01:34:55 PM »
He has more than one groin?  Has he got four legs? Interweb pernster?

Actually everyone has two groin muscles

Owl only has two clams.

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Re: Richmond primed for top four, says David King ......... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2012, 09:42:43 PM »
He has more than one groin?  Has he got four legs? Interweb pernster?

Actually everyone has two groin muscles

Owl only has two clams.

No back up for owl when his clams started screaming

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Re: Richmond primed for top four, says David King ......... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2012, 10:12:42 PM »
LMFAO  :lol

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Re: Richmond primed for top four, says David King ......... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2012, 11:17:01 PM »
When the guys on the morning show called david king the other morning to discuss,  he said "look and if they don't make it we all get to laugh at them AGAIN" he is a complete knob and setting us up...*gain

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Re: Richmond primed for top four, says David King ......... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2012, 02:42:12 PM »
David King said we'd finish 6th this year after we beat Hawthorn and Sydney IIRC  :wallywink.

We'll still need a bit of good fortune to make the finals next year. It would only take a mid-to-long term injury or two to our top liners such as big Ivan, Cotch, Lids or Jack to severely test our depth again and upset our season aims. Carlton found that out this year. Top 4 is actually possible if we can sustain and improve on the form and standard of play we showed in the first half of the season this year for the whole of next year. Turn those narrow losses into wins on top of the comfortable wins and we'll get off to a flyer. Conversely we won't make the finals if we dish up anything close to the rubbish standard we displayed during the second half of this year. That's why our younger blokes entering their 3rd-4th years need to step up in 2013 and add some badly needed quality depth on top of the mature newbies we've recruited as best 22ers as well as rookie back-ups.
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Re: Richmond primed for top four, says David King ......... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2012, 08:27:26 PM »
Why bag Kingy for having faith in his old side? It's not his fault we choked last season

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« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2012, 10:04:04 PM »
for list balance we had to take some older players.

we have  as of march 26 2013
22 yolds and under or junior players,  22 players.
23 yo - 27 yo or mature and developing players ,   18 players.
28 plus or veterans,  4 players.

i still believe we could have 3 or 4 more players aged 22 plus. lets not forget we actually cut 4 or 5 players aged 23 plus. connors 24, moore  28 miller 29 graham 25 and webberley 24.
one thing for sure with the older types taken it helps to really balance out the list with younger blokes now a yr older.
its when you break it down further into player  types, games played, and quality that the real problems start to appear.
the way i look at it we have effectively after retirements and delistings gained one mature player on what we had last yr.

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Re: Richmond primed for top four, says David King ......... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2012, 10:09:46 PM »
for list balance we had to take some older players.

we have  as of march 26 2013
22 yolds and under or junior players,  22 players.
23 yo - 27 yo or mature and developing players ,   18 players.
28 plus or veterans,  4 players.

i still believe we could have 3 or 4 more players aged 22 plus. lets not forget we actually cut 4 or 5 players aged 23 plus. connors 24, moore  28 miller 29 graham 25 and webberley 24.
one thing for sure with the older types taken it helps to really balance out the list with younger blokes now a yr older.
its when you break it down further into player  types, games played, and quality that the real problems start to appear.
the way i look at it we have effectively after retirements and delistings gained one mature player on what we had last yr.

i would think that because the under 22yos that we have recruited recently, have more mature heads and mostly more mature bodies it will enhance what you are trying to balance.. 

Is this the Pelchan brief you are trying to  have Richmond follow

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Re: Richmond primed for top four, says David King ......... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2012, 09:52:00 PM »
for list balance we had to take some older players.

we have  as of march 26 2013
22 yolds and under or junior players,  22 players.
23 yo - 27 yo or mature and developing players ,   18 players.
28 plus or veterans,  4 players.

i still believe we could have 3 or 4 more players aged 22 plus. lets not forget we actually cut 4 or 5 players aged 23 plus. connors 24, moore  28 miller 29 graham 25 and webberley 24.
one thing for sure with the older types taken it helps to really balance out the list with younger blokes now a yr older.
its when you break it down further into player  types, games played, and quality that the real problems start to appear.
the way i look at it we have effectively after retirements and delistings gained one mature player on what we had last yr.

i would think that because the under 22yos that we have recruited recently, have more mature heads and mostly more mature bodies it will enhance what you are trying to balance.. 

Is this the Pelchan brief you are trying to  have Richmond follow
nothing to do with pelchen though i lke a lot of what he does.
just plain old common sense and learning from other clubs things that have worked.

all clubs have age brackets that go hand in hand with games played brackets.  you could theoretically have an older list than most other sides but be less experienced in the games played category. is steven morris an experienced player in age ?  yes he is.  but as far as time in the afl system and games played goes  no.

age brackets are important to adequately insure you have enough players  for depth, development, and game day. . eg for me the ideal number of tall forwards on your list is 6.  preferably 2 juniors 18 to  22.  2 development 23 to 25  and 2 mature /vets. then you need to look at type and roles they perform and work out what you are lacking. ie the club recognised the need for a 195/100 kg kpd and went and got chaplin. no problems here. the only debate or difference of opinion is how people rate him and what role he should perform. to me he must play fb as a shut down player on the bigger key forwards in the comp. should we be looking for a junior player of his  size possibly.

seems to me the closer you get to finals the more players you need to fall into the 23 24 25 plus age brackets with 80 or 100 games behind them. i dont believe any club can build a premiership side without taking its share of mature types as well as kids. i also recognise that your top picks like cotchin dont fall into these categories  but their quality elevates them.

our aim is clearly finals  taking mature types was a must we should have taken a few more imo. i have no gripe with us taking mature players but i do gripe on type and weather they are good enough and where we get em from.

me i would have been real happy to take
moloney mid  f/a
stefan martin back up ruckman trade.
jack hannath 21 yr old junior ruckman capable of playing straight away. psd
kyle martin  mid 22 yr old state league  player. nd
sam dwyer  mid 26 yr old   mid state league capable of playing straight away rookie.
these to go with
chaplin kpd
knights mid
edwards  medium forward.
howson  kpf 18yr old kpf.
colqhuon mid  18yo nd

thats 7 seniors. 2 juniors of an age that says they can play straight away and two  18 yr olds, kpf who meets a list shortfall and a mid.

these are without the 4 nd  picks that we used,  thats 15  all up we cut 12 it wasnt hard to cut a few more.

 new mids
moloney short term a player to take us to finals.
dwyer short med term better prospect than lonergan. this bloke can play.  at the least he can run and has good skills.
martin long term prospect and has shown he can play.
knights short med term mid who should help get us to finals if he can stay injury free and find form.
colquhoun. long term prospect. would happily have given him a go at 33 or 42 nd.

new ruckmen
martin 26 yr old cant understand why melb let him go was just starting to get it together when injuries hit this yr.
hannath 21 yr old long term ruckman looks more likely than any ruckman we have other than ivan atm.
both have to be infinately better prospects than stephenson. if we were after a one yr player why not hudson.

kpd
chaplin short to medium term fix.  we probably need another 195/100 kg or future 195/100 kg player in our system to take his place in 4  5 yrs time.

kpf
howson. 195cm goal kicker keep on saying if the club insists griffiths and astbury are defenders then a kpf or two is a must. young or mature.

medium forward
edwards. just needed a player of his type for lots of good reasons. we now also have petterd and knights to go with ohanlon.

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Re: Richmond primed for top four, says David King ......... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2012, 09:25:38 AM »
You can't have 2 mature key forwards

And 2 23-25 yoa key forwards.

This middle group would be upset at not playing senior football and asked to be traded in this hypothetical situation