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Re: A honest and realistic appraisal of our players.
« Reply #75 on: January 06, 2013, 11:03:42 PM »
I would not quite claim you a Nostradamus.

You have lacked the courage to rate deledio A grade. If he wasn't at the time he was very close. Tuck is not a below standard player. The sport is about kicking goals. Jack has won two two Coleman's and yet is d grade... Range is a very good running defender. I don't know why you'd think otherwise.
that appraisal was done in january 2010. so was based up to the end of the 09 season. it was not a futuristic assesment but where i thought our players were at at the time.

i rated deledio as a very good player who had yet to make it to elite.  but said he would i dont get the complaint. you say as much above.every feral richmond supporter was calling him elite at the time it took courage to buck the trend not follow like a sheep.

tucky well while critical he is one player i have robustly defended on all richmond sites i have visited.
i have often asked how many deficient players can you carry. tuck has nearly always been one id carry because of his ball winning ability. hes always been required because of the lack of big bodied inside mids .
 in 09 the number of turn over merchants including tucky had ne pull my hair out. i reckon the turnovers outweighed the the good he did. hence the assesment.
parts of tucks game is very good if not elite. other parts have been below standard hence the problems i have had with him. im happy to declare i got it wrong with him in 09 if that makes you happy.

jack kickd 32 goals in 09 and had gaping holes in his game.he was just 20 had played just 40 games and was still a junior and very much in development. he showed heaps but he was far from established and he was a long way from being elite. people were calling him elite  and he clearly was not.i stand by my assesment of jack at the time. my comments on where i thought he would get to was not far off imo.
3 yrs on if i were to asses him the outcome would be different jack has developed and improved since 09. 65 goals a season makes him an elite goal kicker. 
in saying that  i still think him only a very good player because he is poor in other areas of his game. i have a feeling injuries are more the reason for this and expect him to further improve and properly round out his game nicely and become a genuine all round elite player. at age 24 and 195cm jack to me is still a development player. some may argue with this.where is he imo B/A That is borderline very good to elite. i may be being a bit churlish as his primary function is to kick goals and he does that well.

alex rance is just a player. as a defender he fails too often in his primary function and that is to defend. parts of his game are down right ordinary.  if i were to rate him today it would be a c rating that is a good player or core list. at age 23  he to me is still  a developing player.im sorry if i dont rate him high enough for most.
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Re: A honest and realistic appraisal of our players.
« Reply #76 on: January 06, 2013, 11:15:55 PM »
jeez ol claw got it pretty  right id say. not that anyone around here would acknowledge anything.

thought about doing another appraisal for this yr.   then  thought na. not mentioning names thats for sure.  i cant be bothered putting up with the b/s  that some little people just have to put out.
 let someone else  put it out there and defend every word they say.. seems most dont want to hear it and certainly dont want to discuss whats written. just some bare numbers is about all  some of you lot deserve. .


3 elite players A graders
12 b/s players or there abouts. below stndard.
18 juniors or developing players
11 c and b graders that is good or consistant core list  and very good players.

If you pat yourself on the back too much you will fall over, my old chum.
lol i have rarely patted myself on the back and i reckon i have had ample opportunity to do so.  with so many around here looking for any chance to put the boots in i figured why not on this occasion. besides i wasnt the one who bought the thread back up.

besides any poster who posts stuff that could possibly open themselves up to ridicule should be able point out when they have it right dont you think.

on this site ive already become like most posters on here and am wary of putting anything out there because of the b/s you have to put up with. it doesnt make for a better site or robust debate about  our players and club.
I agree Claw! :thumbsup

I reckon your allowed to pat yourself on the back sometimes. Not that I do it much myself.  :whistle


I like chris knights from Adelaide.

I know he's had some injury concers but hes a decent forward/mid that's got good size. Makes our smalls look like little auskickers in comparison. 

He's  Melbourne boy too with limited opportunity this year. May want to come home.

I like him.
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Re: A honest and realistic appraisal of our players.
« Reply #77 on: January 06, 2013, 11:35:18 PM »
jeez ol claw got it pretty  right id say. not that anyone around here would acknowledge anything.

thought about doing another appraisal for this yr.   then  thought na. not mentioning names thats for sure.  i cant be bothered putting up with the b/s  that some little people just have to put out.
 let someone else  put it out there and defend every word they say.. seems most dont want to hear it and certainly dont want to discuss whats written. just some bare numbers is about all  some of you lot deserve. .


3 elite players A graders
12 b/s players or there abouts. below stndard.
18 juniors or developing players
11 c and b graders that is good or consistant core list  and very good players.

If you pat yourself on the back too much you will fall over, my old chum.
lol i have rarely patted myself on the back and i reckon i have had ample opportunity to do so.  with so many around here looking for any chance to put the boots in i figured why not on this occasion. besides i wasnt the one who bought the thread back up.

besides any poster who posts stuff that could possibly open themselves up to ridicule should be able point out when they have it right dont you think.

on this site ive already become like most posters on here and am wary of putting anything out there because of the b/s you have to put up with. it doesnt make for a better site or robust debate about  our players and club.
I agree Claw! :thumbsup

I reckon your allowed to pat yourself on the back sometimes. Not that I do it much myself.  :whistle


I like chris knights from Adelaide.

I know he's had some injury concers but hes a decent forward/mid that's got good size. Makes our smalls look like little auskickers in comparison. 

He's  Melbourne boy too with limited opportunity this year. May want to come home.

I like him.
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yep they are pretty quick to rip into ya if ya get something wrong. thing is, it seems  those who are quick to rip in  arent  prepared to put up anything themselves.

just on knights based on form where does he stand atm in rating him.  im like you i think he has a lot of good attributes and hes well worth giving a game to. but his form line is not great. based on performance hes in the gun imo. hes had 8 yrs but only really strung two good yrs together and yes hes had more than his share of injuries. other concern is hes had just two yrs where hes played 20 plus games. its no surprise they were his best seasons.

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Re: A honest and realistic appraisal of our players.
« Reply #78 on: January 06, 2013, 11:47:38 PM »
jeez ol claw got it pretty  right id say. not that anyone around here would acknowledge anything.

thought about doing another appraisal for this yr.   then  thought na. not mentioning names thats for sure.  i cant be bothered putting up with the b/s  that some little people just have to put out.
 let someone else  put it out there and defend every word they say.. seems most dont want to hear it and certainly dont want to discuss whats written. just some bare numbers is about all  some of you lot deserve. .


3 elite players A graders
12 b/s players or there abouts. below stndard.
18 juniors or developing players
11 c and b graders that is good or consistant core list  and very good players.

If you pat yourself on the back too much you will fall over, my old chum.
lol i have rarely patted myself on the back and i reckon i have had ample opportunity to do so.  with so many around here looking for any chance to put the boots in i figured why not on this occasion. besides i wasnt the one who bought the thread back up.

besides any poster who posts stuff that could possibly open themselves up to ridicule should be able point out when they have it right dont you think.

on this site ive already become like most posters on here and am wary of putting anything out there because of the b/s you have to put up with. it doesnt make for a better site or robust debate about  our players and club.
I agree Claw! :thumbsup

I reckon your allowed to pat yourself on the back sometimes. Not that I do it much myself.  :whistle


I like chris knights from Adelaide.

I know he's had some injury concers but hes a decent forward/mid that's got good size. Makes our smalls look like little auskickers in comparison. 

He's  Melbourne boy too with limited opportunity this year. May want to come home.

I like him.
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hes a gun imo.

Good to know claw, good to know.  :thumbsup
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Re: A honest and realistic appraisal of our players.
« Reply #79 on: January 07, 2013, 12:56:08 AM »
oh dear. still i had to chuckle. lets hope they dont have to use that gun hey.

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Re: A honest and realistic appraisal of our players.
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Re: A honest and realistic appraisal of our players.
« Reply #81 on: January 07, 2013, 09:30:40 AM »

Appraisal of our players now?

D - Rance


WTF?

He's a poo kick that's why
On your criteria then Morris should be a D.

Morris is a better kick than Rancer
Yeah.Ok. :lol

Why do you think Rancer is better?
Not saying Rance is better.Both at the same level when it comes to footskills.

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Re: A honest and realistic appraisal of our players.
« Reply #82 on: January 07, 2013, 09:34:39 AM »

Appraisal of our players now?

D - Rance


WTF?

He's a poo kick that's why
On your criteria then Morris should be a D.

Morris is a better kick than Rancer
Yeah.Ok. :lol

Why do you think Rancer is better?
Not saying Rance is better.Both at the same level when it comes to footskills.

Reckon Morro's kicking is better than Rancer
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Re: A honest and realistic appraisal of our players.
« Reply #83 on: January 07, 2013, 09:39:09 AM »
I reckon so too.
Rance's kicking/decision making has improved though. I no longer have my heart in my mouth when he has possession.
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Re: A honest and realistic appraisal of our players.
« Reply #84 on: January 07, 2013, 09:52:51 AM »

Appraisal of our players now?

D - Rance


WTF?

He's a poo kick that's why
On your criteria then Morris should be a D.

Morris is a better kick than Rancer
Yeah.Ok. :lol

Why do you think Rancer is better?
Not saying Rance is better.Both at the same level when it comes to footskills.

Reckon Morro's kicking is better than Rancer
Would be only a turnover in it.

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Re: A honest and realistic appraisal of our players.
« Reply #85 on: January 07, 2013, 09:56:15 AM »
I've never seen Morro give it straight to the opposition for an opposition goal. Have seen Rancer do that many times.
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Re: A honest and realistic appraisal of our players.
« Reply #86 on: January 07, 2013, 10:05:43 AM »
I've never seen Morro give it straight to the opposition for an opposition goal. Have seen Rancer do that many times.
Considering how long Rance has been playing AFL compared to Morro,No doubt you,ve seen more of Rance,s ripper footskills at work.But if you lined up both in a pressure situation and get them to pin point a pass,Both would fail.

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Re: A honest and realistic appraisal of our players.
« Reply #87 on: January 07, 2013, 10:33:35 AM »
I've never seen Morro give it straight to the opposition for an opposition goal. Have seen Rancer do that many times.
Considering how long Rance has been playing AFL compared to Morro,No doubt you,ve seen more of Rance,s ripper footskills at work.But if you lined up both in a pressure situation and get them to pin point a pass,Both would fail.

Don't know about that Ivan
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