Author Topic: Must Recruit Two of These  (Read 7056 times)

Offline WilliamPowell

  • Administrator
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 40324
  • Better to ignore a fool than encourage one
    • One Eyed Richmond
Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #90 on: May 26, 2013, 05:40:17 PM »
Can have confidence in both IMV

And just because my opinion differs with your doesn't means it is crap

Again you use Geelong, Geelong has not gone out and targeted free agents wanting big $$$ they have developed their own, created a culture where there players outside greedy Junior Ablett have taken reduced $$$ to stick together. That is the model all clubs should aspire too. WHy because it works

If wanting to model a club on the culture and program of Geelong is playing it safe then I will wear that.
Any new thoughts  after today and tonight WP? Or are you still confident?

Yeah actually last night probably highlighted that developing the kids might be a better option than going after multiple recycled players from other clubs  ;D

Lonergan was fantastic don't you think? Ditto Grigg another 30 odd meaningless possessions.

Chaplin was good but our best last night was a first year kid by the name Vlaustin

Give me a Vlaustin over an overpaid Free agent any day
"Oh yes I am a dreamer, I still see us flying high!"

from the song "Don't Walk Away" by Pat Benatar 1988 (Wide Awake In Dreamland)

Online Willy

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 5105
  • All up inside ya.
Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #91 on: May 26, 2013, 06:14:25 PM »
People are overacting with the criticism of our mature age recruiting. It has been a good thing for the club. As long as we aren't paying much for them, which we aren't, they have added a lot to our team. We are still brining In plenty of kids every year and keeping our high draft picks. Players like Arnott ect. are not playing because they aren't quite ready. Go watch Coburg and see.
People have overrated our list and are now overacting when we lose to good teams. We aren't at our best at the moment and we still have to turn over some average players but our season is still well and truly alive and things can turn around pretty quickly.
I was peed off last night too but people need to chill before they tee off.
Our list just air that good yet but it is improving steadily.

Offline big tone

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 4404
Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #92 on: May 26, 2013, 06:54:47 PM »
Can have confidence in both IMV

And just because my opinion differs with your doesn't means it is crap

Again you use Geelong, Geelong has not gone out and targeted free agents wanting big $$$ they have developed their own, created a culture where there players outside greedy Junior Ablett have taken reduced $$$ to stick together. That is the model all clubs should aspire too. WHy because it works

If wanting to model a club on the culture and program of Geelong is playing it safe then I will wear that.
Any new thoughts  after today and tonight WP? Or are you still confident?

Yeah actually last night probably highlighted that developing the kids might be a better option than going after multiple recycled players from other clubs  ;D

Lonergan was fantastic don't you think? Ditto Grigg another 30 odd meaningless possessions.

Chaplin was good but our best last night was a first year kid by the name Vlaustin

Give me a Vlaustin over an overpaid Free agent any day
Can somebody let WP know that Username has hacked his account.   :thumbsup

Why are you talking about recycled players? Our discussion was about FA. Only FA you mentioned you correctly stated was good last night.
Did you watch Coburg WP? Not only are most of our young players not up to AFL footy, they are not even up to VFL footy.

Offline WilliamPowell

  • Administrator
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 40324
  • Better to ignore a fool than encourage one
    • One Eyed Richmond
Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #93 on: May 26, 2013, 07:21:06 PM »
Can somebody let WP know that Username has hacked his account.   :thumbsup

Why are you talking about recycled players? Our discussion was about FA. Only FA you mentioned you correctly stated was good last night.
Did you watch Coburg WP? Not only are most of our young players not up to AFL footy, they are not even up to VFL footy.

I know we are talking about FA. This thread was started when WAT suggested we target Thomas, Leunenberger and heaven forbid Watts this coming off season as free agents.

As I have said and I will repeat it again because some clearly are missing my point  ;D I have no problem with free agency when you use it properly but I am against targeting multiple free agents for the sake of it and getting into bidding wars where you over pay a player who may not necessarily want to be at your club but are just chasing the biggest pay packet. Of the 3 originally listed I wouldn't go after any of them. I've explained why and said that I'd rather develop kids rather than take those 3.

What last night proved is that taking on players from other clubs whether you get them as free agents, via trade or pick up them after they've been flicked is not necessarily going to make your side any better or guarantee that you are going to take the next step. Hence, why I'd prefer to get Vlaustin into the club and develop

Nope rarely watch Coburg these days - fear for their long term future, back to being a basket case it would seem ;D
"Oh yes I am a dreamer, I still see us flying high!"

from the song "Don't Walk Away" by Pat Benatar 1988 (Wide Awake In Dreamland)

the claw

  • Guest
Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #94 on: May 26, 2013, 08:33:17 PM »
would love to get james frawley but hes contracted until 2014. we will pay thru the nose to get him.

what are we short of
genuine fb we have chaplin and only darrou in development. most would say rance but hes not a fb.  we do need a frawley type especially if we think we are a finals side.we need a fb at least at frawleys stage of development.
chb theres only rance and we really need to asses his worth and possibly astbury griffiths both who are key forwards imo and both have a ways to go just to establish they are good enough.
kpds chaplin, rance, darrou, if griffiths and astbury are defenders add them plus the third talls in grimes and mcintosh. if astbury and griffiths end up forwards we need one mature and one nd    kpds

really desperately need a key forward. theres riewoldt and then theres daylight. we have some hope in the fact theres mcbean and elton in early development and one of or both of  griffiths and astbury who are at a stage where they should be at least demanding a game.

kpfs riewoldt, griffiths, astbury, elton
ruck /forwards- vickery, mcbean. that is the right balance, thing is  if both astbury and griffiths are defenders we need two tall forwards to balance out the list one mature and one junior.i refuse to include mcguane he is not the way forward and im not having a go at him.  he gives his all and has mostly been servicable in performing a role.

rucks well we have one who is currently up to standard. we do need a servicable mature  back up and we need to draft a young gun in the nd.id even go as far to rookie a third.
people will say vickery mcbean derickx and stephenson is plenty how many are pure ruckmen and can hold down the #1 ruck role now and in the future. only orren and hes ordinary.

sml quality forward who has skill. sad to say we dont have one on the list who is ready and only one in development in mcdonough. would be great if he comes on for once we have a small who regularly kicks a goal out of nothing. if nothing else this lad can kck a goal.

mids we need at least 4 mids who are at least afl standard. not world beaters but good solid citizens. blokes who use the ball well and make sound decisions. we sure could do with a couple of outside players with real pace and good delivery skills.

i said it all  at the start of the yr the weaknesses are easy to see.  thing is i reckon we can address a fair few of them just by targeting players in state leagues and players who are not getting a proper go at their club.
aaron black was one i wanted us to go after last yr he had heaps of competition to get a game with petrie hansen and tarrant all in front of him. unfortunately that is now a pipe dream as hes shot past em.
tom lee was a cheap option a rookie pick two seasons ago if he doesnt make it big deal. i still think he will be a decent afl player.

hannath as a ruckman cheap and with upside.  cameron symonds as well at e/freo we could have rookied him he will go in the draft this yr.we dont have to pay thru the nose we just have to be better with the players we do take.
wce have a kid called jeremy mcgovern he really looks good to me but he cant bust in to their side.

they have two decent young ruckmen in callum sinclair and scott lycett they have some real competition in front of them in cox and naitanui lets have a go at one what is there to lose.

we coul;d go on and on but there are good options out there that wont cost the earth.





Offline Judge Roughneck

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 11132
  • Sir
Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #95 on: May 26, 2013, 08:38:32 PM »
WP

You realize we can play Vlastuin in the side next season and a Cooney or Rich? There is 21 / 22 spots and they are mostly for non-big blokes.


Claw

Why can Astbury not be a true tall key defender?

I don't think something like

fb/  Dea - Grimes - Bachelor
hb/  Rance - Astbury - McIntosh


is may have potential.Morris needs to take over JAcksons spot.

Offline Yeahright

  • Moderator
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 9394
Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #96 on: May 26, 2013, 09:22:34 PM »
Can have confidence in both IMV

And just because my opinion differs with your doesn't means it is crap

Again you use Geelong, Geelong has not gone out and targeted free agents wanting big $$$ they have developed their own, created a culture where there players outside greedy Junior Ablett have taken reduced $$$ to stick together. That is the model all clubs should aspire too. WHy because it works

If wanting to model a club on the culture and program of Geelong is playing it safe then I will wear that.
Any new thoughts  after today and tonight WP? Or are you still confident?

Yeah actually last night probably highlighted that developing the kids might be a better option than going after multiple recycled players from other clubs  ;D

Lonergan was fantastic don't you think? Ditto Grigg another 30 odd meaningless possessions.

Chaplin was good but our best last night was a first year kid by the name Vlaustin

Give me a Vlaustin over an overpaid Free agent any day

Vlaustin best?

Offline WilliamPowell

  • Administrator
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 40324
  • Better to ignore a fool than encourage one
    • One Eyed Richmond
Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #97 on: May 26, 2013, 09:48:27 PM »
WP

You realize we can play Vlastuin in the side next season and a Cooney or Rich?

Rich wont be leaving Bris

Cooney is a risk with his dodgy knee and he would want to go to team close to flag which we are not so I don't see him as an option


Vlaustin best?

Yes thought last night Vlaustin was out best which is further indictment on our senior players and leaders
"Oh yes I am a dreamer, I still see us flying high!"

from the song "Don't Walk Away" by Pat Benatar 1988 (Wide Awake In Dreamland)

Offline big tone

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 4404
Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #98 on: May 26, 2013, 10:05:09 PM »
Can somebody let WP know that Username has hacked his account.   :thumbsup

Why are you talking about recycled players? Our discussion was about FA. Only FA you mentioned you correctly stated was good last night.
Did you watch Coburg WP? Not only are most of our young players not up to AFL footy, they are not even up to VFL footy.

I know we are talking about FA. This thread was started when WAT suggested we target Thomas, Leunenberger and heaven forbid Watts this coming off season as free agents.

As I have said and I will repeat it again because some clearly are missing my point  ;D I have no problem with free agency when you use it properly but I am against targeting multiple free agents for the sake of it and getting into bidding wars where you over pay a player who may not necessarily want to be at your club but are just chasing the biggest pay packet. Of the 3 originally listed I wouldn't go after any of them. I've explained why and said that I'd rather develop kids rather than take those 3.

What last night proved is that taking on players from other clubs whether you get them as free agents, via trade or pick up them after they've been flicked is not necessarily going to make your side any better or guarantee that you are going to take the next step. Hence, why I'd prefer to get Vlaustin into the club and develop

Nope rarely watch Coburg these days - fear for their long term future, back to being a basket case it would seem ;D
We haven't developed a decent ruckman since Mark Lee. There wouldn't be a sane person in the world that wouldn't want Leunenberger in there side. What makes you think that after 30 years we can all of a sudden develop a decent ruckman.
What last night proved is that we need better players and to get ONE Vlaustin in a year is not enough. Any others from last night that we didn't draft with our first pick that you think can take us all the way?
Your theory works if we can actually draft players outside of your first pick that can actually play. We sadly cannot. Geelong can but we cannot, and thats why we can't model our club like they do. We need other help and lucky enough it's FA.
Also when you talk about paying overs for people, who is the judge of what's paying overs? You? You pay what the market demands. Just like most things in life.

Offline WilliamPowell

  • Administrator
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 40324
  • Better to ignore a fool than encourage one
    • One Eyed Richmond
Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #99 on: May 26, 2013, 10:20:21 PM »
Also when you talk about paying overs for people, who is the judge of what's paying overs? You? You pay what the market demands. Just like most things in life.

Everyone is entitled to have opinion on what a player is worth aren't they?

There is a massive difference between paying market value and paying overs. Serious question. In your view what's Leunenberger worth? If the market says $650k a season but we offer $900k just to get his signature are we paying overs or are we being smarter or foolish?

BTW it was in today's paper that sas he is close to re-signing with Bris

"Oh yes I am a dreamer, I still see us flying high!"

from the song "Don't Walk Away" by Pat Benatar 1988 (Wide Awake In Dreamland)