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Re: Has Moneyball backfired for the Tigers? (The Roar)
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2014, 05:09:19 AM »
Good post Redan. Balanced and logical.  :thumbsup
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Re: Has Moneyball backfired for the Tigers? (The Roar)
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2014, 08:38:00 AM »
Very true Mint. Tom DX looks a shadow of the bloke who was given 4, half quarters for us.

He is actually playing a more accomplished brand of football than that Angus Graham we have in our starting 22

It's an issue that we can argue till the cows come home but we would have one of the poorest development systems than most clubs

Look at what we are doing to Batch Dea and Griffiths. I wound say 90% of people screamed for griffiths to get a chance after the RD1, 2013 showing but let him sink in the VFL where IMO the rot starts at our footy club

We have had no genuine players post RD1 develop into A graders it can't be due to poor recruiting all the time.

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Re: Has Moneyball backfired for the Tigers? (The Roar)
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2014, 01:55:30 PM »

Plus what sickens me is tom derickx getting a go at the swans and doing ok.

Define ok.  I watched his game vs hawthorn and he was absolute tripe, and checking his stats for this season doesn't suggest he's been much more than that in any others.  He's only getting a game because the Swans stuffed up getting rid of Mumford and Pyke not being good enough to ruck each game on his own.

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Re: Has Moneyball backfired for the Tigers? (The Roar)
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2014, 02:31:34 PM »

Plus what sickens me is tom derickx getting a go at the swans and doing ok.

Define ok.  I watched his game vs hawthorn and he was absolute tripe, and checking his stats for this season doesn't suggest he's been much more than that in any others.  He's only getting a game because the Swans stuffed up getting rid of Mumford and Pyke not being good enough to ruck each game on his own.

Agree...but he's still noticably better than Hamspud around the ground ...so in essence had we kept him we'd have a slightly less crap ruckman on a lot less pay as well as a second round kid.
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Re: Has Moneyball backfired for the Tigers? (The Roar)
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2014, 11:40:33 PM »

Plus what sickens me is tom derickx getting a go at the swans and doing ok.

Define ok.  I watched his game vs hawthorn and he was absolute tripe, and checking his stats for this season doesn't suggest he's been much more than that in any others.  He's only getting a game because the Swans stuffed up getting rid of Mumford and Pyke not being good enough to ruck each game on his own.

Agree...but he's still noticably better than Hamspud around the ground ...so in essence had we kept him we'd have a slightly less crap ruckman on a lot less pay as well as a second round kid.

im hoping we are looking at ruckmen  darcy cameron and josh miller hopefully both will be available in the rookie draft. but both may not be. should have rookied cameron last yr imo.

if pace and skill is what is badly needed we could possibly go jarrod pickett not sure he is worth a top 10 pick though and that is what we will have to use to get him i reckon. wont last to the 2nd round imo.
whoops rambling again. on topic, big tom is a dud. and imo nowhere near the player hamspud is,  now thats saying something.

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Re: Has Moneyball backfired for the Tigers? (The Roar)
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2014, 07:44:57 AM »
No worries. Are you the one who said A Edwards was a good pick up?

Give it up. TDX is marginally ahead of Graham, actually a lot ahead from what I've seen.



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Re: Has Moneyball backfired for the Tigers? (The Roar)
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2014, 11:26:07 PM »
No worries. Are you the one who said A Edwards was a good pick up?

Give it up. TDX is marginally ahead of Graham, actually a lot ahead from what I've seen.
yep a edwards was a good pick up for pick 1000 in the nd. we had just brett ohanlon on the list who   is of a similar type.  short term fix at very little cost giving ohanlon time to develop and hopefully play a game one day.
mate derickx is total crap and as far as ruck contests go hamspud is a country mile in front of him.
im no hampson fan and was pretty loud in voicing my displeasure at useing pick 32 on him i didnt want him at the club i  still dont want him but ffs hes a far better option than derickx.

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Re: Has Moneyball backfired for the Tigers? (The Roar)
« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2014, 08:40:05 AM »
No worries. Are you the one who said A Edwards was a good pick up?

Give it up. TDX is marginally ahead of Graham, actually a lot ahead from what I've seen.
yep a edwards was a good pick up for pick 1000 in the nd. we had just brett ohanlon on the list who   is of a similar type.  short term fix at very little cost giving ohanlon time to develop and hopefully play a game one day.
mate derickx is total crap and as far as ruck contests go hamspud is a country mile in front of him.
im no hampson fan and was pretty loud in voicing my displeasure at useing pick 32 on him i didnt want him at the club i  still dont want him but ffs hes a far better option than derickx.

You really believe that.

Where are we this year and where is TDX. Hows Graham's marking going?

Graham is garbage always has been and always will be and for pick 32 was trade suicide.

As for your mate Edwards, think you are missing the point pal. That was one of the worst decisions to recruit in recent times. Stop looking at the where he was selected look at whose spot he has taken up. Another promising youngster, another VFL player perhaps. We do it time and time again, perhaps we could have found someone in the VFL who hasn't been given a go.


Graham, Edwards and that Shaun Higgins Knights fella to a lesser extent only due to his age, are some of the biggest cock ups we have made in recent times. Start investing and trusting in some of the guys at VFL and see what happens. Griffiths was a hack last year by some of you, played i think 1 game against the blues, dropped, and look at him in 2014. Who knows maybe Elton or O'hanlon might be that person and if not delist them.

Edwards is finished come seasons end and with good reason.
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Re: Has Moneyball backfired for the Tigers? (The Roar)
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2014, 09:26:41 AM »

Plus what sickens me is tom derickx getting a go at the swans and doing ok.

Define ok.  I watched his game vs hawthorn and he was absolute tripe, and checking his stats for this season doesn't suggest he's been much more than that in any others.  He's only getting a game because the Swans stuffed up getting rid of Mumford and Pyke not being good enough to ruck each game on his own.
I'm with Smokey on this. He is showing why we got rid of him. Can't take a mark, Easily gets bumped out of contests, looks like a 1970's Tennis player, in one ruck contest the ball actually hit him on the top of his head and even Sam Reid went into the ruck and did a better job. If Pike was in he would have done the majority of the ruck work no question about it.

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Re: Has Moneyball backfired for the Tigers? (The Roar)
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2014, 10:25:38 AM »
Derrickx is a spud.

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Re: Has Moneyball backfired for the Tigers? (The Roar)
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2014, 07:59:59 PM »
No worries. Are you the one who said A Edwards was a good pick up?

Give it up. TDX is marginally ahead of Graham, actually a lot ahead from what I've seen.
yep a edwards was a good pick up for pick 1000 in the nd. we had just brett ohanlon on the list who   is of a similar type.  short term fix at very little cost giving ohanlon time to develop and hopefully play a game one day.
mate derickx is total crap and as far as ruck contests go hamspud is a country mile in front of him.
im no hampson fan and was pretty loud in voicing my displeasure at useing pick 32 on him i didnt want him at the club i  still dont want him but ffs hes a far better option than derickx.

You really believe that.

Where are we this year and where is TDX. Hows Graham's marking going?

Graham is garbage always has been and always will be and for pick 32 was trade suicide.

As for your mate Edwards, think you are missing the point pal. That was one of the worst decisions to recruit in recent times. Stop looking at the where he was selected look at whose spot he has taken up. Another promising youngster, another VFL player perhaps. We do it time and time again, perhaps we could have found someone in the VFL who hasn't been given a go.


Graham, Edwards and that Shaun Higgins Knights fella to a lesser extent only due to his age, are some of the biggest cock ups we have made in recent times. Start investing and trusting in some of the guys at VFL and see what happens. Griffiths was a hack last year by some of you, played i think 1 game against the blues, dropped, and look at him in 2014. Who knows maybe Elton or O'hanlon might be that person and if not delist them.

Edwards is finished come seasons end and with good reason.

where are we?? . we are 2 and 7 and about 14th. i suppose thats all down to a edwards whos played one game. and had injury.
cmon read peoples posts your basically a parrot ive already said hampson is a spud was not worth pick 32. and i said it well before we traded for him.  we agree .
what we dont agree on is how good tom derickx is.  bud hes a dud.


you should be asking hows derickx marking going  along with hamspuds,  its every bit as bad as  hampson thats for sure. derickx has  taken 1 c/m all yr  and just 8 all up. hampson at the least has  gone fairly well in the ruck contests you cant  say that about derickx.  simply put and it has been said numerous times from before the draft to now both are duds i will say derickx is at least having a dip in most areas cant sat that about hampson.

 i aint defending hampson i was pretty loud about what hes done to date 7yrs,  and where we took him. i dont seem to recall you or too many others complaining about us  taking him before and during trade time. or where we took him.
but hey where we take players has nothing to with anything. ::)

why wouldnt you look at where we take players. and no  you miss the point in a big way. edwards was very much a short term fix you do understand what that is. there is a place for them on all clubs lists.
he hasnt taken games of anyone for the simple reason we didnt have any players of his type bar one 19 yo in ohanlon,  who quite frankly has performed worse than derickx and was nowhere near it last yr. for that matter hes nowhere near it this yr either.
please tell,  outside of ohanlon who will imo probably be delisted who are these juniors of similar type  a edwards has kept out of the side.

you think griffiths has arrived. ffs hes  up to standard the bare minimum nothing more. and its not a edwards whos keept griffiths out of games its vickery.
last yr griffiths couldnt get a kick in a footy factory and was damn liucky to survive the cut. timid clueless and almost possesionless, fair dinkum he could not get any worse and there was no way you could give him games.

finally tell us something we didnt already know. of course edwards is gone come seasons end we got him as a short term fix.it was always going to be this yr or next.
he may be 30 odd but hes a better player than vickery ohanlon petterd gordon to date and most other fwds we have tried. what does that say about our fwds.hes only played one game this yr so hes hardly keeping anyone out of the side. last yr there was a need for him and i reckon theres a need for him this yr unless the likes of petterd or ohanlon can start performing.

to finiosh id happily take a mature kpd mature kpf mature sml fwd and a few mature mids as long as we take our quota of kids as well.
we disagree on just one basic principal, i think there is a place for mature recruits to fill list needs  and fill holes in the team. im happy to do this only if we take our quota of kids and ensure we have a kid coming thru for each type needed.
you it seems just want kids and nothing else.
ive already said on threads on this site i reckon we could cut 8 to 12 players lets say 10. id be happy to take 6 or 7 juniors 18 to 21 and id back em up with 3 or 4 mature players if we can value add with them.
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Re: Has Moneyball backfired for the Tigers? (The Roar)
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2014, 09:13:38 PM »
Rivers is pretty shyte

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