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You guys are off your nut if you think Martin is not fit enough to go through the port midfield

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You guys are off your nut if you think Martin is not fit enough to go through the port midfield

Im not getting into this argument, but who is ports best 6 mids?

Something like 6 of the following 7

Hartlett
Wines
Wingard
Cornes
Polec
Ebert
Gray


We'd have

Cotchin
Deledio
...........Martin if he was fit enough

The rest are not much of a comparison

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I am happy with Dimma, he's not afraid to show his emotions, you can see the passion and when he is headless....

We need another elite midfielder and a couple of senior coaches with some creditability and experience.

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You guys are off your nut if you think Martin is not fit enough to go through the port midfield

agree, ridiculous to suggest martin wouldn't get a gig in Ports midfield. Derm also made a prediction that martin would never amount to more than a plodder bc his body is not conducive to afl footy.

tiger fans in general are nuts. They pick a target, one of our best generally, and make him out to be a dud see Cotchin, Lids, Martin and Reiwoldt, and will stick up incessantly for players like Edwards, Pettard and Jackson. Its bizarre

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Dusty would roll through the Port midfield at times no doubt but a few would be ahead of him at the starting bounce.

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Dusty would roll through the Port midfield at times no doubt but a few would be ahead of him at the starting bounce.


Agree, but he'd be utilised a lot better and within a year would be a top 5 midfielder in the comp.
Since the Brisbane game he's been run through midfield for 70-80% of gametime and has been our best and most consistent player by a fair margin. Have noticed a big improvement in 2 way running and pressure acts. Think the whole fitness thing has been overblown significantly. Think his lack of run earlier had more to do with the role he was asked to play ie outside receiver that finishes off the play.

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Good article by Derm, pretty much nailed it and says what most of us in here have been saying - stop forgiving the lack of effort and intensity by gifting games to the lame hearts, while keeping kids who are having a crack and doing everything right back in the 2's.

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Agree, but he'd be utilised a lot better and within a year would be a top 5 midfielder in the comp.

Based on what?

His lack of fitness is not overblown. If anything it is largely overlooked by Richmond supporters who are blinkered by his flashes of offensive brilliance.
He is a one way footballer.

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Agree, but he'd be utilised a lot better and within a year would be a top 5 midfielder in the comp.

Based on what?

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Agree, but he'd be utilised a lot better and within a year would be a top 5 midfielder in the comp.

Based on what?

His lack of fitness is not overblown. If anything it is largely overlooked by Richmond supporters who are blinkered by his flashes of offensive brilliance.
He is a one way footballer.
I agree.  His main problem is not fitness, it is defensive intensity. He doesn't lay many tackles but he isn't Robinson Crusoe in that area!
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His lack of fitness is not overblown. If anything it is largely overlooked by Richmond supporters who are blinkered by his flashes of offensive brilliance.
He is a one way footballer.

I'd say you're the one that's blinkered on this one, have seen a noticeable improvement in defensive accountability since he started playing in the guts, and shock horror he's run out games. I thought he couldn't run out 4 qtrs.? Load of overblown garbage

His contested numbers have dropped from 45% of his possessions in his first year to 20% now when he should be entering his prime. This is not bc of fitness, he'd be a shedload fitter now than he was in his first season -  its bc he has been instructed to become more outside to utilise his ball use.

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His lack of fitness is not overblown. If anything it is largely overlooked by Richmond supporters who are blinkered by his flashes of offensive brilliance.
He is a one way footballer.

I'd say you're the one that's blinkered on this one, have seen a noticeable improvement in defensive accountability since he started playing in the guts, and shock horror he's run out games. I thought he couldn't run out 4 qtrs.? Load of overblown garbage

His contested numbers have dropped from 45% of his possessions in his first year to 20% now when he should be entering his prime. This is not bc of fitness, he'd be a shedload fitter now than he was in his first season -  its bc he has been instructed to become more outside to utilise his ball use.
Tony, it certainly looks like he has been made into an outside player but that's ok. However, outside player doesn't mean non tackling player. While I appreciate he has improved his defensive side, he has a long way to go to reach elite status.
I acknowledge though that he is the least of our problems currently. He has been our best player this year IMHO.
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His lack of fitness is not overblown. If anything it is largely overlooked by Richmond supporters who are blinkered by his flashes of offensive brilliance.
He is a one way footballer.

I'd say you're the one that's blinkered on this one, have seen a noticeable improvement in defensive accountability since he started playing in the guts, and shock horror he's run out games. I thought he couldn't run out 4 qtrs.? Load of overblown garbage

His contested numbers have dropped from 45% of his possessions in his first year to 20% now when he should be entering his prime. This is not bc of fitness, he'd be a shedload fitter now than he was in his first season -  its bc he has been instructed to become more outside to utilise his ball use.
Tony, it certainly looks like he has been made into an outside player but that's ok. However, outside player doesn't mean non tackling player. While I appreciate he has improved his defensive side, he has a long way to go to reach elite status.
I acknowledge though that he is the least of our problems currently. He has been our best player this year IMHO.

Yep I agree  - definitely is a weakness in his game and needs to keep improving, but when I see players are trending upwards I like to back them in rather than still label them what they are trying to move away from. If he drops the ball and becomes a lazy front running git again I'll be getting stuck into him about it.

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His lack of fitness is not overblown. If anything it is largely overlooked by Richmond supporters who are blinkered by his flashes of offensive brilliance.
He is a one way footballer.

I'd say you're the one that's blinkered on this one, have seen a noticeable improvement in defensive accountability since he started playing in the guts, and shock horror he's run out games. I thought he couldn't run out 4 qtrs.? Load of overblown garbage

His contested numbers have dropped from 45% of his possessions in his first year to 20% now when he should be entering his prime. This is not bc of fitness, he'd be a shedload fitter now than he was in his first season -  its bc he has been instructed to become more outside to utilise his ball use.
Tony, it certainly looks like he has been made into an outside player but that's ok. However, outside player doesn't mean non tackling player. While I appreciate he has improved his defensive side, he has a long way to go to reach elite status.
I acknowledge though that he is the least of our problems currently. He has been our best player this year IMHO.
i tend to agree with this.
hes improving areas every yr. he has a way to go in some though.

the tackle count is a worry the c/ps are a worry, the clearance count is a worry. here we have a player who is 187cm/90kg and explosive of the mark.id really like to see him play more inside and round his game out better. thing is these things will go backwards if hes playing an almost exclusive  outside role.
i look at martin the way he plays, the size and strength  and i see a similarity to chris judd.  he  may not have judds sustained speed but hes got his explosiveness.  go look at what judd brings to the table.
lots of uncontested ball but just as much contested ball. he wins plenty of clearances and lays lots of tackles. in a word hes so well rounded its not funny.
 there should be no reason why martin cant get somewhere close to judds alround game as his motor improves. i sure as hell hope this is the aim.
he talks about becoming elite he could do worse than look at a player like juddy who is very similar. no doubt he has the talent but atm has to improve areas of his game. hes shown hes a great offensive weapon time to show he can be just as good at winning ball and defending..

again atm id say dermott is right. at port he would spend more time fwd than in the midfield because hes not quite there with his fitness. but they would be working damn hard to get to judd like status. the one thing judd has allover martin is the ability to run and run hard for damn long periods.