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Gerard Healy's crystal ball as clear as mud
« on: August 27, 2005, 04:11:45 AM »
Clarko did a Thommo, but will Tery do a Clarko
Gerard Healy
Herald Sun
27 August 2005 

THIS time last year, Richmond and Hawthorn were battling to avoid being labelled the worst side in the competition.

The title went to the Tigers.

A few weeks later they were both chasing Terry Wallace's signature, and Richmond won that battle too.

This year, the two clubs played each other twice and, you guessed it, Richmond won both times.

So that's four from four for the Tigers, yet in the bigger battle – the war, if you like – the Hawks just might be in front.

Why? Because this year Alastair Clarkson wasn't coaching for 2005, he was looking at 2006 and beyond. This despite the fact he had only a two-year contract.

It's been a gutsy call but the Hawks have finished the year on a high, despite winning just five games.

Today's team, for example, has seven first-year players. And unless they upset Sydney – which is not out of the question – the Hawks will get at least two more quality kids in the next draft.

All this adds up to why Hawthorn looks capable of leapfrogging Richmond (and many others) for an extended crack at a flag in the near future.

Just as St Kilda did last year.

Hawthorn has a heap of young talent. Roughead, Thurgood, Miller, Lewis, Brennan, Dawson, Hodge, Taylor, Brown and Campbell have all shown plenty this year and will complement the more experienced Mitchell, Bateman, Williams, Osborne and Co. much more quickly than expected.

Not only are they talented, but they have big frames, which will become big bodies, and an enormous running capacity, which nearly got them over the line last week.

The picture looks even brighter if you look past Richmond and compare Hawthorn with Carlton and Collingwood.

However, there is one rider: Spida Everitt. He is the best ruckman since Simon Madden and his performance since switching to Glenferrie has been exceptional.

Simon Taylor and Robert Campbell are both heading in the right direction, but Spida is much more than your everyday ruckman and remains the key to any flag in Jeff Kennett's three-year plan.

At 31, and given his talent as a forward, he still has a number of good years left.

The Hawks have been very disciplined about their rebuilding, taking a methodical, unemotional approach which has concentrated on the foundations – just as St Kilda did under Grant Thomas.

In any war there are casualties and, in this case, Nick Holland has been sacrificed.

Clarkson refused to compromise his pursuit of the next flag. He has well and truly drawn a line in the sand knowing full well his team will not rise off the bottom until his group of youngsters determines it will.

In the meantime he will continue to add to the foundations, keep playing his kids and, when they mature as a unit, look out.

Over at Punt Rd, the way forward is not so clear-cut. Richmond has worked its way off the bottom only to find itself in murky mid-ladder waters. In effect, Wallace has been punished for his success, robbed by bad luck and a bad system.

Bad luck – read Nathan Brown's broken leg – cost him a spot in the finals.

And the system, which provides priority picks in the first round of the draft, gives clubs too much incentive to finish low and not enough reward for clubs that rebound to the middle of the pack.

The commission had a chance to change it last year, but didn't. What is it waiting for?

You could argue that Wallace could have taken the Clarkson approach and played the likes of Daniel Jackson, Tom Roach, Kelvin Moore, Andrew Raines and Danny Meyer more at the expense of senior players, but that would have ensured a season without the highs the Tigers have experienced.

And Richmond needed some success this year to mend the divisions that a lack of success had caused.

It's amazing to think that had Brown and Kellaway stayed in one piece, they were a silly chance of winning the flag. But the reality of their current position is confronting.

Wallace has unearthed some very talented players but, as a group, their exposed form is not as impressive as Hawthorn's.

He faces some difficult decisions over the next few weeks. He has already alerted us to the major hole in his list, but does he recruit for a finals berth next year and an outside chance at the flag or "do a Clarko" and cut to the bone, recruit only kids at the draft and build from the bottom for a sustained run at the top down the track?

Whatever his choice it's going to take all of his (and Greg Miller's) experience to continue the great improvement over the next few years as Richo, Gaspar and Co. retire.

It's not so complicated at Glenferrie Oval. The Hawks have worked the system beautifully and decided that if they were going to bottom out they would take a double dose of medicine, so the next time they began talking about flags they'd have the players to back it up.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,16395670%255E20124,00.html

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Re: Gerard Healy's crystal ball as clear as mud
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2005, 07:24:49 AM »
What a surprise! Healy writes some negative crap about us ::).

Fancy not mentioning Lids once in an article about the quality of Richmond's young cubs and our future direction ???.

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It's been a gutsy call but the Hawks have finished the year on a high, despite winning just five games.

LOL that being crap is gutsy. Geez Spud must have been the most courageous coach ever based on that rule ;D.

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At 31 (Everitt), and given his talent as a forward, he still has a number of good years left.

So Everitt will last a number of years still but Richo is virtually on the scrapheap ::). And what about Crawford too.

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Wallace has unearthed some very talented players but, as a group, their exposed form is not as impressive as Hawthorn's.

10 wins to 5 Gerard ::) with a list containing 21 guys under the age of 21 and having six first year Tigers make their debut including both our rookies. And we'll have 5 teenagers running around tomorrow too. But hey let's not let facts get in the way of a few cheap Hawk wins against sides down the bottom with them.

The Hawks still had a number of senior players this year - Everitt, Crawford, Dixon, Vandenberg, Smith, Hay, Croad, Bateman and Jacobs for most of this year while Hodge, Mitchell, Brown, Williams, Clarke, Lonie, Ladson, Osborne, Greene and Ries have had 4-6 years in the system by now. Yet they still could hardly win a game even in the first half of the season with their best 22.

Sheesh Healy sounds like Hawk fans on BF trying to make out they have virtually an U19 side going around ::). Although the Hawks have had 10 debutants this year only 5 of them are first year players. The likes of Boyle and Nixon are in their 3rd year while Miller while Thurgood and Dawson are in the 2nd year on an AFL list.
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Re: Gerard Healy's crystal ball as clear as mud
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2005, 10:47:13 AM »
nice one MT.

Healy = F stick - nuff said.  :thumbsup

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Re: Gerard Healy's crystal ball as clear as mud
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2005, 11:25:17 AM »
Ok this article makes no stuffing sense to me!

Richmond have no young and talented players by the sounds of this!

I knoew Healy was bad, but gee this is an embarrassing article by himself!

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Re: Gerard Healy's crystal ball as clear as mud
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2005, 02:48:13 PM »
Technically, physically and in terms of team balance, having KPP, inside and outside midfield prospects, Hawthorn's youngsters are better than ours. The problem is that this year they have been, late in games, in a position to win at least 3 more games than they have. They are the most gutless team in the comp right now, and all Clarkson can do is hope that the players can shake the habit.

Regarding us, we need two more seasons to flush out the bad. I suppose it is rather ominous that clubs like Geelong and the Kangaroos, who have battled to mid-table positions whilst rebuilding are still some way short of a flag, but I consider Plough a better coach than either Laidley or Thompson.

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Re: Gerard Healy's crystal ball as clear as mud
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2005, 06:26:17 PM »
IMO both sides are along way off from decent lists (as you say Jake there are still too many duds) and it's not as simple as Healy claims that Hawthorn will just evolve into a top side. St Kilda picked up a number of recycled players - Gehrig, Hamill, Voss, Penny etc... - as well to add some mature and stronger bodies to the side. Add to that none of these "young" sides have won a flag as yet to prove the youth theory.

Everitt will be a huge loss for the Hawks in a couple of years. Their midfielders won't have a top ruckman shoving the ball down their throats like now. And everyone says we'll miss Richo which is a fair enough comment but I don't see Hawthorn's next superstar KP forwards running around either. Mark Williams is more in the O'Loughlin or Nick Davis mould while Dixon (at 28) and Croad are hardly superstars. Franklin will be a very good player in years to come but he's no KPP either. Roughead has been played in defence most of the year so it's hard to judge how he would go up forward. Hay has struggled in defence since 2001 and may be traded although he was fairly good today on Barry Hall after Hall got the better of Roughead.
 
Plus Clarkson has to straighten them up. Today against the Swans they once again played their handball crazy gameplan which has gotten them into strife all year under pressure. MMM said they had something like 69 handballs in the first quarter :o . They don't have key forwards presenting which forces them go sideways. I'd rather do it our way so our young players get into good habits. As long as we pick up a few quality KPPs in the next two drafts then in 4-5 years KPPs won't be an issue for us.

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Regarding us, we need two more seasons to flush out the bad. I suppose it is rather ominous that clubs like Geelong and the Kangaroos, who have battled to mid-table positions whilst rebuilding are still some way short of a flag, but I consider Plough a better coach than either Laidley or Thompson.

Ottens has been a disasterous choice for the Cats on top of Graham heading off OS to make $$$ in the NFL and King's injuries and form. Otto's too injury-prone now. Like many a side they thought they weren't too far away and thought short-term. Ironically we picked up a ruck/forward in Adam Pattison with their pick #16. Similarly the Roos gave up their early picks for Nathan Thompson.
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Re: Gerard Healy's crystal ball as clear as mud
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2005, 10:30:57 PM »
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Over at Punt Rd, the way forward is not so clear-cut.

:-\ Actually, it is clear cut for anyone who has done any homework on Richmond.  RFC has spelled it out on a number of occasions to its supporters.  We don’t seem to have a problem with it.

Please, just do some homework first.

I remember that when we were winning games early, some ‘experts’ were pumping us up.  But all their predictions showed was just how well some of them actually know Richmond.

Foxtel did a number of our games early, when we were winning, and I think back then Gerard may have thought we were a rough chance at a flag, or he was at least impressed at our winning form.  But that was before Browny broke his leg.

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It's amazing to think that had Brown and Kellaway stayed in one piece, they were a silly chance of winning the flag. But the reality of their current position is confronting.

Comments like this are almost mind bending and you have to wonder what games some of them watch.  The current position is confronting is it.  Only to those who have just woken up to it.

How could we have been a silly chance of winning the flag?  If all the top teams fell over maybe?  Apart from anything else, we still have too many players who, in a crunch situation, cause turnovers.  To me, that says we’re nowhere near being a premiership threat just yet.  Then there’s the small matter of being shellacked by any half decent team, but let’s just turn a blind eye to that minor detail.

I don’t know how he came to that conclusion and I definitely don't see his logic.  Especially when in the next sentence he says:

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Wallace has unearthed some very talented players but, as a group, their exposed form is not as impressive as Hawthorn's.

Ok, so if Hawthorn is 14th and won 5 games less than Richmond, how were we ever a silly chance at a flag, with or without Brown/Kellaway, when our younger players supposedly aren’t as good as the 14th placed team’s younger players?  Would Hawthorn’s be capable of playing a significant role in a premiership team this year, because that’s what they’d have to do at Richmond if we were going to get there?  Otherwise, who did he think was going to play in this Richmond premiership?  Royce Hart and some of his premiership teammates maybe?
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Re: Gerard Healy's crystal ball as clear as mud
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2005, 11:07:18 PM »
Remember guys this is the same person who suggested last sunday while commentating the hawks game that we need to have "wholesale" changes to our list!

If Campbell, Graham, Stafford? retiring and Morrison and Hilton? being delisted are wholesale then im a chicken!  :shh

He doesn't know what his talking about!

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Re: Gerard Healy's crystal ball as clear as mud
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2005, 03:39:49 AM »
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It's amazing to think that had Brown and Kellaway stayed in one piece, they were a silly chance of winning the flag. But the reality of their current position is confronting.

Comments like this are almost mind bending and you have to wonder what games some of them watch.  The current position is confronting is it.  Only to those who have just woken up to it.

How could we have been a silly chance of winning the flag?  If all the top teams fell over maybe?  Apart from anything else, we still have too many players who, in a crunch situation, cause turnovers.  To me, that says we’re nowhere near being a premiership threat just yet.  Then there’s the small matter of being shellacked by any half decent team, but let’s just turn a blind eye to that minor detail.

It's that sort of comments from Healy that get clubs into believing they are better than they really are and recruit accordingly. Remember when Healy played for the Swans in the late 80s they would cruise through their H/A games then crash out in straight sets in the finals.

Yeah if Browny and Kellaway had played all 22 games we may have played finals and given we were 7-3 when Browny went down we might even snuck into 4th spot with 14 wins given our draw was pretty soft. It still wouldn't have changed the fact we are not in the same league as the top sides as the results this year even with Browny in the side showed. It was that situation that stuffed us up after 95 and 2001.
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Wallace responds to Healy's article
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2005, 06:39:15 AM »
Dropping pick a priority
29 August 2005   
Herald Sun
Scott Gullan

RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace has called for the immediate scrapping of priority draft concessions, claiming they are morally wrong.

Wallace was responding to an article by Herald Sun columnist Gerard Healy which suggested Hawthorn, the beneficiary of a priority draft pick for the second year in a row in November's draft, was better placed than the Tigers, who had improved dramatically under their new coach to win 10 games and finish 12th.

"What really irks me in this competition is that people, and this is learned people, can be suggesting that it is better to lose than to win," Wallace said.

"There is something morally wrong with the competition when that is the case."

Wallace did point out that the Tigers had benefited from a priority draft pick last year.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,16415112%255E19771,00.html

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Re: Gerard Healy's crystal ball as clear as mud
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2005, 06:51:05 AM »
i dont see the tigers cutting to the bone. we have 2 retired and i have a feeling tivendale, chaffey or hilton will be gone and maybe a young kid either hartigan or jackson as they have poor foot skills. moore i believe has alot to offer and is safe. morrison gone imo thus i belive we iwill have around 5-6 changes.

gerard healy just got bluffed and trapped in hawthorns bs!

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Re: Gerard Healy's crystal ball as clear as mud
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2005, 01:09:19 PM »
The thing that Gerard and alot of other so called experts seem to be unable to come to grips with or just don't want to ackowledge is the talent pool that is available at draft time, whether it be this year, next year or last year. All the recruiting people are saying that this year's draft isn't as strong as last years and nowhere near the one from a few years ago that had Judd, Hodge, Ball etc

It is fine to say you must make wholesale changes but if the talent pool of youngster isn't that strong can any team really afford to do that? The rules are clear that a kid you draft must get 2 years. Is it in the best interest of a team to draft a kid for 2 seasons when the likelihood is they wont make it? How is that developing a list?

List management is a very fine balance and I would think the main priority is to imprve your club not make changes for the sake of making changes with the view of continually losing and then hiding behind the "we're young and we're developing" line.
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Re: Gerard Healy's crystal ball as clear as mud
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2005, 01:45:26 PM »
Right WP. I think ridding of priority picks would go a long way to redressing this sentiment. Getting two of the best kids is just an enormous boost. 5.5 wins is just so arbitrary too. I'm not suggesting a diffenerent measuring stick, I think the priority pick system just has to go.