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On the hunt: Will age weary the mighty Tigers? (HeraldSun)
« on: January 10, 2021, 07:24:19 PM »
On the hunt: Will age weary the mighty Tigers?

Three flags in four years ensure Richmond’s golden era will be remembered as a dynasty, but how long can it last?

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Re: On the hunt: Will age weary the mighty Tigers? (HeraldSun)
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2021, 01:04:03 AM »
Here's the full article:

Mick McGuane says Tigers can extend their dynasty

Marc McGowan
HeraldSun
JANUARY 11, 2021


The challengers have narrowed the gap to Richmond, but the Tigers’ versatility, selflessness and leadership mean they can extend their dynasty era.

So says Collingwood premiership player Mick McGuane, who is tipping Port Adelaide’s hybrid mix of experience and youth and a Joe Daniher-bolstered Brisbane to rattle the yellow-and-black cage in 2021.

Damien Hardwick’s men officially joined the great clubs of the 21st century in October with their third flag in four seasons, after rallying from a 22-point Grand Final deficit to Geelong at the Gabba.

The immediate query centred on how much longer this can go on.

Richmond will enter next season with five players aged 30 or older, and all of them key contributors: Jack Riewoldt, skipper Trent Cotchin, Shane Edwards, David Astbury and Bachar Houli.

Cotchin’s already sacrificed his own game in recent years for the greater team good, but it was only triple Coleman medallist Riewoldt who McGuane noticed signs of waning from this year.

“There’s a lot of leadership (in that over-30s group) and on-field organisation is really important – they have it in all three areas of the ground,” McGuane said.

“It’s hard to replace strong leaders on and off the field, but as an outsider looking in, they’ve got their culture right.

“One player out of that five I’ll be watching closely is Jack. His ability to consistently go at the footy (this year) looked a little bit, I won’t say alarming, but not what it was.”

After injuries ravaged the Tigers until the midpoint of their 2019 premiership season, they selected just 33 players at senior level this year, with only Gold Coast (32) and Port Adelaide (30) using fewer.

McGuane saw that more as an indication of a settled line-up and their preference not to rush younger players rather than a sign of decreasing depth.

Highly rated prospects such as Riley Collier-Dawkins, Callum Coleman-Jones and Thomson Dow – all first-round or top-20 picks – have each played three AFL games or fewer.

At the same time, McGuane warned that powerhouse teams needed to know when their ageing stars had passed their use-by date.

“The Brisbane Lions, for example, were a victim of their own success. It’s hard to say to a 31- or 32-year-old Darryl White that your time’s up,” he said.

“You’ve got to read the cues. That’s why ‘Clarko’ (Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson) looked at moving on one or two players a season, because they can’t go on forever.

“You lose 20, 30, 40 games (that could go to youth) if you hang on too long with the veterans – but right now there’s no need for that at Richmond.”

MICK McGUANE’S FIVE BEST TIGER CUBS

Noah Balta (21 years old) — “He’s an athletic, tall defender who complements Nick Vlastuin, David Astbury and Dylan Grimes. He can play lockdown if Astbury goes down or be a floater to intercept. We also saw him go forward against Port Adelaide (in the finals) and he can be used as a mobile ruckman – he just has so much upside.”

Shai Bolton (22) — “He brings excitement and a real energy around the footy, but he’s also dynamic in the forward line and can hit the scoreboard.”

Liam Baker (23 in January) — “I love his competitiveness as a small defender – he’s just so hungry for it. He complements the smaller types, like Jayden Short and Bachar Houli, and wins a lot of footy. He’s an important cog in the wheel.”

Daniel Rioli (23) — “He had a slow start this year, so maybe he had some issues with the hub and/or wasn’t where he should’ve been, fitness-wise. But he got where he had to be and he’s an important part of the forward 50. He’s embraced his pressure role.”

Sydney Stack (20) — “It’s a combination of skill and hardness (with Stack). You also have to be a competitor and that’s why some survive in AFL footy and others don’t. Sydney Stack appears to have all that in spades.”

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Re: On the hunt: Will age weary the mighty Tigers? (HeraldSun)
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2021, 11:08:20 AM »
2021 national draft is vital for us. Need to nail our top 6 picks.

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Re: On the hunt: Will age weary the mighty Tigers? (HeraldSun)
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2021, 11:24:06 AM »
2021 national draft is vital for us. Need to nail our top 6 picks.

Yes that will be key for us.

Need the majority of the kids to come on, then nail this year's draft and the take advantage of free agency over the next few years.

Get it right and we stay on top for a long time.

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Re: On the hunt: Will age weary the mighty Tigers? (HeraldSun)
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2021, 07:43:26 PM »
IMHO we need to accept this current window will eventually end by the middle of this decade. The key is to continue to bring talented youth through our ranks as we've done with Balta, Bolton & Baker so we always have a strong core to build around as our vets retire. We don't want to end up like Hawthorn or where Dad's Army aka Geelong is heading where they (will) fall off a severe cliff and it will take a decade at least to rebuild their list from scratch. It wouldn't necessarily be bad if we have an off year or two in a few years time, collect some top-end kids in the draft along with a couple of quality free agents, so we can rise again a.s.a.p. to contend for sustained success. Rinse and repeat.
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Re: On the hunt: Will age weary the mighty Tigers? (HeraldSun)
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2021, 08:03:13 PM »
Cumberland, Ralphsmith, Dow, Martyn, Collier Dawkins, Coleman Jones, Sam Ryan ... Im reading good things on Mansell and Couroupis as potential add ons.

We go into next years draft well placed with 6 picks inside 42.
Need to get 2 key position players next year draft wise. Theres afew rated in the top 20.

Hopefully Clark and co. Csn produce some magic on draft night next year.

Beyond that I am not against trading in a couple of players. Hunter Clark from St Kilda would be a plug and play replacement for Bachar.

Id also go after Bontempelli because you can run Dusty and the Bont through midfield and then rest the other at full forward and theyd cause havoc for opposition teams.

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Re: On the hunt: Will age weary the mighty Tigers? (HeraldSun)
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2021, 08:14:09 PM »
IMO

This window is open for 1 more year, max.

Then we will drop off a bit. Cotch, Jack, Edwards, Astbury etc all coming to an end.

If we nail this big time we could be challenging again in 3-5 years. Probably closer to 5.

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Re: On the hunt: Will age weary the mighty Tigers? (HeraldSun)
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2021, 08:18:13 PM »
I disagree with that. We can time retirements making sure wr bring in replacements. The current squad can win the next 2 flags. Bringing in replacements can keep us going for the next decade.

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Re: On the hunt: Will age weary the mighty Tigers? (HeraldSun)
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2021, 10:11:53 PM »
IMO

This window is open for 1 more year, max.

Then we will drop off a bit. Cotch, Jack, Edwards, Astbury etc all coming to an end.

If we nail this big time we could be challenging again in 3-5 years. Probably closer to 5.

Out of that pack Edwards looks like 25 yr old even Cotchin looked good just got to manage him.

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Re: On the hunt: Will age weary the mighty Tigers? (HeraldSun)
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2021, 07:40:33 AM »
IMO

This window is open for 1 more year, max.

Then we will drop off a bit. Cotch, Jack, Edwards, Astbury etc all coming to an end.

If we nail this big time we could be challenging again in 3-5 years. Probably closer to 5.

Out of that pack Edwards looks like 25 yr old even Cotchin looked good just got to manage him.

Hope you are right.

Edwards admittedly looks good to play on like Silk.

Cotch could possibly be one decent soft tissue injury away.

Jack I suspect the cliff is looming. Have said before I really hope he manages 300/700.

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Re: On the hunt: Will age weary the mighty Tigers? (HeraldSun)
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2021, 08:17:18 AM »
Free agency will also be a key, I’d be trying to land a key forward and/or back with free agency or trading.
“I find it nearly impossible to make those judgments, but he is certainly up there with the really important ones, he is certainly up there with the Francis Bourkes and the Royce Harts and the Kevin Bartlett and the Kevin Sheedys, there is no doubt about that,” Balme said.