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Reasons for our fadeouts?
« on: April 04, 2022, 10:24:16 PM »
According to Jonathan Brown, Nick Riewoldt and Garry Lyon on On The Couch:

* Smashed in contested footy and clearances
 
                           Last qtr vs Carl     last 45 mins vs StK
Contested footy          -23                         -21
Clearances                 -15                         -8

* Defensive structure breakdown

St Kilda's last 10 goals came from just 21 inside 50s  :help. That would never happen against Richmond 2017-2020.

* Age, hunger and discipline

Nick R said your best is built on doing all the little things right during the week from Monday to Friday. Do I take that ice bath? Do I eat that food or not? Your discipline is tested. When you get older and you can't play as well as you use to your discipline can fall away as it gets harder. [As former players] we've all been there. Emotionally you are fully invested in what you do and whether you have a full belly like Browny or hurt like himself continually just falling short you can no longer want to fully commit emotionally. 

Jonathan Brown at the time didn't as he was still young but he now realises Brisbane fell off the cliff in 2005. Take Voss, who like Cotch are both warrior types, he couldn't do it anymore.

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Re: Reasons for our fadeouts?
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2022, 10:57:54 PM »
Age, hunger and discipline it all comes down to effort. To my untrained eyes the stand out problem has been effort... And if senior players don't lead the way we are in big big trouble. As much as I hate Joel Selwood you cannot criticise his efforts. If Cotchin and co are not physically capable anymore due to injury then they should stand aside now and say sorry I need to retire because I cannot play at the level anymore due to my injuries or age. Make a deal with the club (reduced contract) and retire gracefully. However, if they are physically capable with no injuries then we have an even bigger problem. Past their Best? Fitness? Lazy? Complacent? What is it?..

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Re: Reasons for our fadeouts?
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2022, 11:10:58 PM »
Hate to raise this point as we are talking about loved and respected premiership players. However, most of this senior group would be earning 400k to 500k minimum. Some would be near the 900k mark. Sorry to be nasty but when you are getting paid that sort of money which denied us access to other trade opportunities then you just need to turn up. If the effort was there then we would have no rights to be critical.

They are not on minimum wages and football is a business like any other business at the end of the day. You get paid to perform and that includes the senior coach etc.

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Re: Reasons for our fadeouts?
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2022, 11:31:06 PM »
Then on that point how much time do we give Dusty? It’s a business as you said and his attending weddings after all.

I give him 2 months. There is no way the club would give him the whole year and then have to pay him a million dollars.



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Re: Reasons for our fadeouts?
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2022, 10:37:05 AM »
Endurance pure and simple.  Could be younger blokes will earn it over the course, some of the older blokes might be losing a bit of it, but just an outsiders speculation.  Stkilda and Carlton looked like they were on bolivian marching powder compared to us in the last quarter.  We flagged and that is what we used to do to sides, grind them into the dirt.  you flag you fail.
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Re: Reasons for our fadeouts?
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2022, 02:55:07 PM »
Richmond’s coach would ‘wail’ at speculation his side has lost ‘hunger’… but here’s why it’s ‘real’

Ben Waterworth
Fox Sports
April 5th, 2022


It’s a conversation Richmond coach Damien Hardwick “would wail at”, according to Melbourne champion Garry Lyon, but several AFL experts have questioned the Tigers’ hunger, with one predicting it could get ugly for them in 2022.

Many pundits predicted the Tigers would not only return to the finals this year, but leap into the top four and regain the ominous form that saw the club claim premierships in 2017, 2019 and 2020.

But the Tigers sit outside the top eight after three rounds with a 1-2 record after conceding over 100 points in their two losses to Carlton and St Kilda where they also gave up sizeable leads late in the game.

Speaking on Fox Footy’s On The Couch, triple premiership Lion Jonathan Brown said the Tigers of 2022 had similar traits to the Lions side he was part of in the aftermath of their trio of flags.

Brown, who last month predicted the Tigers would return to the top eight considering they’d be coming off a full and relatively healthy pre-season, pinpointed the array of injuries, as well as the uncertainty around Dustin Martin’s future and the sense veteran Trent Cotchin isn’t influencing games as much now, as reasons behind Richmond’s slow start.

But Brown said a lack of “hunger” could be the biggest factor behind a possible Richmond downfall.

“I’ve lived it in 2005 and I’m concerned for the Tigers,” Brown told On The Couch.

“I was a younger player – because at the time you’d go ‘no this is BS, Browny’s talking out of his backside’ – but when I look back 20 years ago, you were just a bit off with your hunger.

“Can you scrap and fight and hang in there when you know your best is past you? I look back 20 years later and go ‘you know what? That happened to us.”

St Kilda champion Nick Riewoldt detailed what a lack of hunger might look like among the Richmond playing group.

“How that manifests, it’s the little things that just add up, like: ‘Do I jump in the ice bath? Do I eat that or do I stay disciplined?’ It’s all the little things that when you come to game day when you haven’t quite been as disciplined in your Monday to Friday preparation, the edge comes off and it happens across 22 players,” Riewoldt told On The Couch.

“Players are human … We’ve lived it.

“Yours (Brown’s experience) was different with the full belly. Ours (at St Kilda after losing Grand Finals in 2009 and 2010) was: ‘Gee can we put ourselves out there and go through the heartbreak again?’ It happens in different ways, but it’s equally real.”

Lyon added: “Damien Hardwick would wail at this discussion – as he should … but I get that (lack of hunger discussion). Absolutely what you’re saying makes sense.”

The Tigers couldn’t stop Carlton from piling on the goals during the final quarter of their Round 1 clash. Then they were “absolutely smashed – the likes we haven’t seen from this group before”, according to Riewoldt, by St Kilda in the second half on Sunday. Alarmingly, the Saints kicked 10 goals from their last 21 inside 50s of Sunday’s match – a feat that “doesn’t happen against the Richmond side we’ve come to know and appreciate”, according to Lyon.

Speaking on Channel 9’s Footy Classified, Port Adelaide premiership player Kane Cornes said the Tigers were a “proud group”, but there were signs it could get ugly for them this season.

“I reckon they‘re in danger of completely falling apart this year,” Cornes told Footy Classified.

“(Dylan) Grimes is injured again with a hammy – they are a couple of key players away from things capitulating.”

Asked if he was putting a line through Richmond’s dynasty, Riewoldt said: “It’s about that time.

“They’ve had a great system, but they’ve also had some incredible personnel that have been able to wrap their arms around the system at the right time.”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2022-richmond-premiership-dynasty-over-say-fox-footy-commentators-lack-of-hunger-could-it-fall-apart-this-season/news-story/700a89292444b3a4db26aede45b4037a

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Re: Reasons for our fadeouts?
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2022, 03:20:59 PM »

https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1510976204098134017


https://www.afl.com.au/video/735284/-major-issue-for-hardwick


Dal Santo says we simply don't have the firepower anymore. In the past we would've put our foot on the neck of an opponent and not lost a game from that position. Not anymore.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/video/afl/afl/dont-have-the-firepower-tamed-tigers!823085