Quite surreal to think you might have left Carlton.  
I said to Denis it might've been time to part ways, start fresh, but he convinced me otherwise and I'm glad he did. 
You had a deal with Richmond?  
It was spoken about, yeah. 
Numbers agreed to?  
I think (manager Paul Connors) had organised something but I wasn't aware of it. 
When you got married, on draft day, did you think you were leaving?  
I knew on the Thursday I wasn't going to get traded. That meeting with Denis was on the Thursday. All week I thought I was going to Richmond. Greg Miller had been at my house, and I had a meeting with 'Plough' (Terry Wallace), so I thought I was off and was pretty excited about it. But then I sat down with Denis, a few things were said, a few home truths, we put a plan in place and we haven't looked back since. I love the footy club and want to play my whole career there.