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The great mistake of closing Waverley?
« on: April 09, 2007, 02:52:49 AM »
The great mistake of closing Waverley
09 April 2007   Herald-Sun
Daryl Timms

IT'S hard to believe that 1999 was the last time a league footy match was played at Waverley Park.
 
Will anyone at AFL headquarters ever admit they got this one wrong, that selling the venue was a mistake?

When the league decided to pump millions of dollars into Sydney's Telstra Stadium so footy could be played there, they said the ground was located in the city's fast-growing demographic area. They said it made sense.

Hello, where is Waverley Park?

The VFL showed foresight when it bought the 85ha at Mulgrave in 1962 to build what was then called VFL Park.

When the ground opened in 1970, $2.5 million had been spent on the first stages. Staggering as it sounds, the ground would have accommodated 166,000 fans, with seating for 126,000, had it been finished.

Government interference, to protect the MCG, ensured building was not completed, leaving Waverley with a "never finished look" because the top stands weren't built all the way around.

The AFL ditching the ground was a bit like a man trading in his wife for a younger trophy bride -- a new stadium with a retractable roof at the Docklands.

The league argued at the time that it needed to dump Waverley Park so it could come up with the funds to put equity into the state-of-the-art stadium, which it will own in 2020.

But the AFL knew in 2002 - when it owed $56 million - that it would be debt free by 2006. So, was cash really the problem?

The AFL did a magnificent deal to gain eventual ownership of Telstra Dome for a pittance, but why couldn't Waverley Park have been retained?

The ground is on the doorsteps of one of the fastest growing areas in Australia.

Pakenham, Officer, Cranbourne and Berwick have explosive growth and there are established suburbs nearby.

The Monash freeway cuts through the back of Waverley Park and a sign just a punt kick along Wellington Rd points out that the Scoresby Freeway will put Ringwood only seven minutes away in one direction and Frankston 17 minutes away in the other.

AFL football has lost a lot of people from the suburbs, developing outer areas and further down the line to Gippsland, since the sold sticker was slammed on Waverley Park and the land carved up for housing.

Many regular Waverley Park fans haven't been to a league match since the ground was shut.

People argue that Waverley Park was built in a rain belt, which is a nonsense.

And they say it lacked a train line, which is true, but you can thank the government for not providing one.

And how many times did the spin doctors say it was an ageing stadium?

So was the MCG, but the AFL's commitment to future matches there has seen new stands built.

Lord's is also an ageing ground, but should that historic English cricket ground be bulldozed?

Former Hawthorn president Ian Dicker fought hard for Waverley Park and once said closing it was the biggest mistake the league commissioners would make.

Luckily, the National Trust won a battle to have a section of the members' stand heritage listed.

Hawthorn is now based in the stand and uses the ground, which is surrounded by homes, as its training base.

Perhaps the club wouldn't have been forced to chase revenue and sell games interstate if games were still played there.

And don't forget the sleeping giant of soccer? Waverley Park would have helped the AFL keep its presence in the suburbs and ward off the enemy.

Closing a ground, rather than opening one, has left many fans, and the game, in the cold.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21523598%255E19742,00.html

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Re: The great mistake of closing Waverley?
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2007, 09:04:37 AM »
Good chance Daryl Timms follows Hawthorn or St Kilda. Get over it.

Close to home, for me. Bowling green surface. That's about it for positives.

Sure, it was close to the demographic centre of Melbourne.
The stands were wind tunnels, if you sat on the fence all you could see over the other side was bobbing heads, little shelter on wet days, if you sat under cover you needed a telescope to see what was happening if it wasn't right in front of you.
The members stand was as ugly as they come. If they built the whole ground as planned one tier less than the members it probably still would have been a cold and uninviting venue with little atmosphere unless it was full.

I always felt somehow removed from what was happening when watching footy there.
I was a bit sad it went for the 2 co-tennants but thought it was a white elephant.
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Re: The great mistake of closing Waverley?
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2007, 11:31:16 AM »
Close to home for me too - took about 15 max to get there.
If it wasn't the coldest place on earth it still would have been good to play games there.

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Re: The great mistake of closing Waverley?
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2007, 12:38:05 PM »
I never minded travelling out to waverley even though it took me atleast an hour.

In saying that you cant compare the viewing of a match at MCG or Telstra Dome to Waverley.

The convienence of Telstra Dome is fantastic. Sometimes i score a car park(too expensive to pay to go underneath) and i can leave my house and be in my seat within 20 minutes.  :thumbsup

Cant beat walking through the gardens to the G though.

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Re: The great mistake of closing Waverley?
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2007, 01:28:42 PM »
they should never have sold it. They should have redeveloped it into a major training complex for the melbourne based clubs providing training ovals, training facilities etc etc especially for preseason for all the clubs, if they had developed it properly they could have established an entire entertainment precinct which could have provided revenue streams and provided core football infrastructure.

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Re: The great mistake of closing Waverley?
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2007, 08:47:03 PM »
Shocking place to watch footy. You needed a telescope to watch the play at the other end of the ground. It was also a shocking place to get to unless you lived in nearby suburbs. From the Western suburbs where I lived as a kid it took 2 hours and about 4 changes of transport to get there by public transport. Apparently the VFL at the time were promised a railway line offshooting from East Malvern station to Mulgrave by the Government by like most Victorian infrastructure projects it was never built. Worst of all I just have memories of us losing game after game at VFL Park. Glad it was bulldozed lol.
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Re: The great mistake of closing Waverley?
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2007, 08:59:19 PM »
Yeah, I think the originally planned rail line was going to branch off between Syndal and Glen Waverley. The land was set aside and ran by Waverley pool (my 2nd home in Summer back then) and then ran beside the freeway.

I twigged about 20 years ago that it wasn't going to happen when the land was subdivided and those streets just wide enough for one car were made.

There was another later plan, not long before Waverley Park was decommissioned (like that word), where a rail line was going to come from Sandown and go through to Rowville. I recall pipe dreams that it would be an elevated monorail.  :sleep

That's the extent of my dodgy town planning knowledge.  8)
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Re: The great mistake of closing Waverley?
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2007, 10:01:13 PM »
I remember the monorail idea too lol. 1970/80's bureaucrats thought monorails would solve every problem :wallywink.

The only negative effect closing Waverley had on the RFC was it meant we had to share the 'G with more co-tenants. 
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