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Football's $110 million gaming jackpot
Cameron Houston | March 3, 2008

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VICTORIAN AFL clubs gouged more than $110 million from poker machine players last financial year and are increasingly targeting Melbourne's most vulnerable communities.

Monash University research also reveals massive rorting by clubs of their community benefit obligations, with several claiming player payments and "team maintenance" expenses in return for preferential tax treatment.

Victorian clubs retained in revenue one-third of all losses, or some $36 million, from 1191 poker machines in 18 gaming venues.

Collingwood Football Club comfortably topped the list of Victorian clubs, with pokie players losing an estimated $27.7 million at its five clubs and pubs, of which about $8.6 million was retained as revenue in 2006-07.

Venues operated by Richmond, Western Bulldogs, Carlton, Essendon and Geelong recorded pokie losses of more than $9 million and each received estimated revenue of more than $3 million.

Financially embattled North Melbourne recorded the lowest losses at its Arden Street social club, which were estimated at $3.7 million, with a modest return to the club of $1.2 million. That figure is likely to be significantly lower, however, as North Melbourne claimed a community benefit of just $64,684, which equates to revenue of less than $776,000.

Charles Livingstone, of Monash University's department of health science, used data from the Victorian Commission for Gambling Regulation and community benefit statements from the clubs to calculate their growing stake in the $2.54 billion lost on Victorian pokies last financial year.

Mr Livingstone said his estimates were "relatively conservative" and actual gaming losses at club-owned venues could exceed $150 million.

Collingwood chief executive Gary Pert said the Monash University report had substantially overstated the club's gaming revenue.

"Those figures are far in excess of what is the reality," Mr Pert said.

Mr Livingstone said only five venues still operated at the clubs' traditional home grounds.

Eight venues are located in lower-income suburbs including Laverton, Footscray and Caroline Springs, which all suffer from higher rates of problem gambling.

"It appears likely that Victorian AFL clubs will become increasingly reliant on gaming revenue," Mr Livingstone said.

"In many cases, AFL club-operated venues are located in areas of comparative socio-economic disadvantage and appear to offer only very modest returns in the form of claimed community benefits."

Under state tax rules, all gaming clubs must prove they spend at least 8.3 per cent of their poker machine revenue to benefit the community or risk losing preferential tax treatment.

Last financial year, Victorian club-operated venues claimed more than $13.5 million expenditure as a community benefit. But 94% of claimed community benefits included the venue's wages, fixed assets and expenses such as gas and electricity.

Just $462,000 or 3.4% was spent by Victorian-based clubs on charities and philanthropic organisations.

Collingwood's Caroline Springs venue, The Club, claimed a computer, photocopier and kitchen upgrade as a public benefit, while the Western Bulldogs claimed exercise bikes, gym equipment and legal costs.

And several clubs have claimed football expenses as a community benefit.

Last year's premiers, Geelong, claimed $123,190 for "maintaining football club", the Western Bulldogs justified a $43,122 payment on "football" as a community benefit, while St Kilda claimed a staggering $478,139 on "team maintenance" in return for tax exemptions.

The number of pokies operated by Victorian clubs is set to soar, with Hawthorn, Western Bulldogs, Geelong and St Kilda expected to apply for new machines this year. Maribyrnong residents have slammed a plan by the Western Bulldogs to build a $25 million club in the Edgewater estate with 65 pokies.

Despite its commitment to the south-eastern growth corridor, Hawthorn received planning approval last week for 80 more machines at its proposed $27 million West Waters Hotel development in Caroline Springs.

The club made a $155,000 contribution to the Melton community, which recorded annual pokie losses of almost $600 per adult last financial year.

Hawthorn chief executive Ian Robson defended the expansion of the football clubs' gaming operations into the western suburbs.

"We believe the investment is appropriate and not inconsistent with the position of AFL football," Mr Robson said.

"The challenge for all of us is to continue to find ways to grow our revenue bases and get involved with businesses that help us to do that," he said.

Western metro Greens MP Colleen Hartland said Hawthorn had cynically targeted one of Melbourne's most disadvantaged suburbs. "Do footy fans really want their clubs to be funded by family break down, crime and lost homes?" she said.

$111,034,930 - estimated gambler losses for 2006/07 calculated by Charles Livingstone.


RICHMOND
Machines 157 (the Royal Oak in Richmond has 80; the Wantirna Club has 77)
Gambler losses $15m
Community benefit $1.8m



CARLTON
Machines 108
Gambler losses $10m
Community Benefit $1m

COLLINGWOOD
Machines 298
Gambler losses $28m
Community Benefit $2.5m

ESSENDON
Machines 100
Gambler losses $9m
Community benefit $1.5m

WESTERN BULLDOGS
Machines 138
Gambler losses $13m
Community benefit $1.8m


GEELONG
Machines 100
Gambler losses $9m
Community benefit $1m

HAWTHORN
Machines 75
Gambler losses $7m
Community benefit $1.8m
 

MELBOURNE
Machines 92
Gambler losses $9m
Community benefit $1m
 

NORTH MELBOURNE
Machines 40
Gambler losses $4m
Community benefit $0.1m

ST KILDA
Machines 83
Gambler losses $8m
Community benefit $1.1m

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Who says Pies supporters aren't the biggest losers  :lol

It seems our venues rake in an average per annum of $500 per RFC member going by those figures (15m/30k) which probably doesn't too much worked out like that but it's an easy way of making money for the club. Pokie machines are designed to lose after all and lose big time otherwise no gaming business would have them.

Looking at the map of the location of AFL club venues, there's a gap in the Northern suburbs and down Frankston/Mornington peninsula way. We have huge support along the Frankston line going by the number of fans who travel to the footy by train and of course we're building that new facility at Craigieburn.   
   
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Who says Pies supporters aren't the biggest losers  :lol

It seems our venues rake in an average per annum of $500 per RFC member going by those figures (15m/30k) which probably doesn't too much worked out like that but it's an easy way of making money for the club. Pokie machines are designed to lose after all and lose big time otherwise no gaming business would have them.

Looking at the map of the location of AFL club venues, there's a gap in the Northern suburbs and down Frankston/Mornington peninsula way. We have huge support along the Frankston line going by the number of fans who travel to the footy by train and of course we're building that new facility at Craigieburn.   
   

Good pick up with the locations, Our club would be negligent if they werent looking for a gaming venue in the Craigiburn area. Frankston and the peninsula would also be a good area to get a gaming centre happening.

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RICHMOND

Machines 157 (the Royal Oak in Richmond has 80; the Wantirna Club has 77)
Gambler losses $15m
Community benefit $1.8m

'cos I don't always grasp this kind of stuff so readily - exactly how much of that $15m goes to Richmond?  Does Richmond own the pokies or does Richmond own the venues and get a slice of the revenue? 

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What I found interesting in the report was this bit ...

Venues operated by Richmond, Western Bulldogs, Carlton, Essendon and Geelong recorded pokie losses of more than $9 million and each received estimated revenue of more than $3 million.

So just to make sure I reading this right the report is saying from losses by gamblers of $9mil we received only $3 mil in revenue ??? :-\

It seems a very long winded report that says very little apart from flumming figures to suit their cause. Although admit to not knowing what their cause is exactly ;D
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exactly how much of that $15m goes to Richmond?  Does Richmond own the pokies or does Richmond own the venues and get a slice of the revenue? 
I thought the Club owned both venues Obelix.

Both venues licences are on the Victorian Commission for Gambling Regulation website
http://www.vcgr.vic.gov.au/CA2570C30016EEF3/VOLS/V9710071


In the 2007 concise financial report it says the Club received $5,824,755 from receipts from gaming and social operations. All up revenue from Gaming and Social operations was $6,062,127.

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Who says Pies supporters aren't the biggest losers  :lol

It seems our venues rake in an average per annum of $500 per RFC member going by those figures (15m/30k) which probably doesn't too much worked out like that but it's an easy way of making money for the club. Pokie machines are designed to lose after all and lose big time otherwise no gaming business would have them.

Looking at the map of the location of AFL club venues, there's a gap in the Northern suburbs and down Frankston/Mornington peninsula way. We have huge support along the Frankston line going by the number of fans who travel to the footy by train and of course we're building that new facility at Craigieburn.   
   

Good pick up with the locations, Our club would be negligent if they werent looking for a gaming venue in the Craigiburn area. Frankston and the peninsula would also be a good area to get a gaming centre happening.
Gary March has mentioned previously the club wants to boost non-footy revenue by purchasing property. No idea if that means more gaming venues. Craigieburn makes sense.

The Saints are of course moving from Moorabbin down to Frankston Oval because the Kingston council (Moorabbin) bloked the number of pokies St Kilda wanted or something like that. There's plenty of room down that way though for a venue of our own.

I guess the only thing you have to worry about is squeezing into the cap on pokies in each area.
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exactly how much of that $15m goes to Richmond?  Does Richmond own the pokies or does Richmond own the venues and get a slice of the revenue? 
I thought the Club owned both venues Obelix.

Both venues licences are on the Victorian Commission for Gambling Regulation website
http://www.vcgr.vic.gov.au/CA2570C30016EEF3/VOLS/V9710071


In the 2007 concise financial report it says the Club received $5,824,755 from receipts from gaming and social operations. All up revenue from Gaming and Social operations was $6,062,127.

http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?action=post;quote=81745;topic=6251.0;num_replies=11;sesc=6eac17496a850c2be325cb6c967f162b

Thanks MT - I guess judging from that, Richmond gets around 30c for every $1 coin pushed down the slot.

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Thanks MT - I guess judging from that, Richmond gets around 30c for every $1 coin pushed down the slot.
And of the remaining 70 cents, the State Government coffers would get a fair chuck.
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