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Greece
« on: December 11, 2008, 06:45:01 PM »
I know there are a few Greeks on OER, just wondering what your (or anyone else's) feelings are on what is happening in Greece this week.

FWIW, I am always happy to see an uprising against a conservative government, especially one in the birthplace of democracy. It enlivens me, to think of the youth uprising that is happening atm. I'm amazed to think of the foresight of these young people, they are determined that they are not going to pay for the current economic crisis. The situation is getting quite serious and world news agencies are predicting the end of this conservative government that was elected off the back of the Athens Olympics.

There are parallels to be drawn with Australia, even though we have a 'Labor' government, there is no indication that the 'top end' of town are going to be made to pay for their mistakes. Companies are shedding jobs left right and centre to protect next financial years bottom line. The best K-Rudd can do is to plead with them not to cut jobs....that will be about as effective as Wayne Swan's 'plea' to the banks to pass on the full interest rate cuts.
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Re: Greece
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2008, 07:44:19 PM »
All I know is it would be scarey over there at this time.
I don't know the reasons why they (the cops) shot the young lad.
But for here it looks like there was more to this than I know.
Just feel for the owners of the shops that have been burnt to the ground and the young lad to.

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Re: Greece
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2008, 07:51:55 PM »
The issues in Greece are very complex.

First the whole country was shocked at the death of a young person who died because he was shot by a police officer.

Second, Greece has different groups of people where there personal philosophies and beliefs are a very overiding feature of alot of things they do.

In Greece theres a conservative government, a socialist opposition in PASOK, an even more leftist party called Syriza and the Communists also have substantial representation in the Parliament, then theres a very right wing Party called LAOS that is also in the parliament. On the edges there are groups who believe in official anarchy and others who like to go out onto the streets and do what has been done the last 4 days... just not to this extent.

The current government has 151 members in a 300 member parliament. So they are hanging on by a thread.

Greece also has a massive public debt, accumulated over decades by incompetent governments, but sadly very little industry to show for it. Tourism is still the biggest income earner, whilst Global Shipping is probably the only industry where Greece has the biggest share. So the Governments always seem to run deficits, requiring bigger tax takes to fund debt, because there are few big industries. Greece is also wracked by how unions operate, the union movement is split along party lines and ideological lines, its almost impossible for any government to do deals with unions because other unions will disagree. The unions are also used by the socialist partys to stop government reform and policys needed to rectify some issues. Everytime the government wants to make reform thousands of unionists block the streets.

Unemployment is high, tax avoidance is higher, Greece has also been wracked by scandals, which have seen a small group of people making millions whilst the general population is savaged by low income levels average about $1500 per month, and high costs of living.

At an educational level, the system is rooted, education receives low levels of funding. Kids are feeling like they have little hope for the future.

On a side note, theres also a law in Greece that says that Police cannot enter university facilities, so anarchists go and smash and rob and burn buildings, then run into the nearest educational facilities because they cant be arrested.

Anyway, Greece is in a bad way at the moment but in many ways the Greeks in Greece have brought this onto themselves. Greeks around the world have done pretty well economically, politically, socially...but in Greece, there need to believe in political philosophies based on conservatism and socialism is wrecking them.

In Australia, we care about our families, our footy teams ... everything seems normal, in Greece people seem to put there political affiliation very high...in Australia hardly any of us give a poo about the political parties as long as we have our freedoms and we can live our lives in a normal fashion.

Thats just a basic summary maybe others like HT will add to it.

On another note, some media commentators recently said ... to save Greece, the 10 million of us who live here need to leave, and the 10 million greeks who live in Australia, the US and around the world should be brought back to Greece to save it. Deep down the Greeks in Greece know theyve stuffed up ... but most dont wont to admit it yet. Anyway Im disapppointed in what I seen. Hopefully things can be turned around and they can form a better society in the years ahead.

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Re: Greece
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2008, 08:02:39 PM »
Interesting post Ramps.

Will be in Sofia next week and was thinking about heading down to Thessaloniki but that would be madness now I think

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Re: Greece
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2008, 08:18:14 AM »
Thankf for the insight Ramps. I was interesting and I did read it all.
This is why I would not want to travel out of Australia.
Well maybe to Pom land so the wife could see some of her rellies but that's all.

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Re: Greece
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2008, 09:16:34 AM »
Thankf for the insight Ramps. I was interesting and I did read it all.

Yep what bushranger said, very interesting. I am not too sure if I have only being paying attention to sport in the media but I wasn't aware of that point of view in regards to Greece.

Only goes to show how lucky we have it here.

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Re: Greece
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2008, 05:39:59 PM »
Unemployment is high, tax avoidance is higher, Greece has also been wracked by scandals, which have seen a small group of people making millions whilst the general population is savaged by low income levels average about $1500 per month, and high costs of living.
It's just not Greece but highly protectionist Europe only has itself to blame for its high employment levels. Sadly a lack of real leadership. To afraid to open up and create new industries and new opportunites for their peoples because of fear from the political fallout that will initially occur from those who run and work in inefficient old industries and who will resist change. No surprise political uncertainty and unrest occurs whenever there is an economic crisis. Thankfully in Australia we opened up our economy in the 1980s. 
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