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Re: NAB Cup 2010
« Reply #300 on: February 14, 2010, 09:23:02 AM »
He was never a full forward.

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Re: NAB Cup 2010
« Reply #301 on: February 14, 2010, 12:32:34 PM »
Oh well never mind I watched the game is dismay and then calmed down and realised that yes we do have a fair way to go.

There were some positives and a huge negative. Loved Martins game Gourdis was good and Deledio's and a few of the others, bad luck to Nason, lets hope.... and bad luck to Thompson.

You can't really blame Polak either when the ball was coming in like a helicopter and he was one out against 3 just about every time the ball went in, not sure what the plan was there??

My huge negative, THE FREAKING UMPIRES AND RULES, leave the game alone ffs, umpires get it together.. :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Re: NAB Cup 2010
« Reply #302 on: February 14, 2010, 12:37:05 PM »
Whats a real worry and people can say thats '"its only a practice  game "" but we were never competitve and thats a real worry

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Re: NAB Cup 2010
« Reply #303 on: February 14, 2010, 02:15:32 PM »
Geez, Edwards reminded me of Clinton King at his finest. Turnover merchant, one way runner, tackles not sticking.  Not good at all ....

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Re: NAB Cup 2010
« Reply #304 on: February 14, 2010, 07:33:26 PM »
I watched this game with no expectations of the scoreboard being too pretty at all.

I just wanted to watch the new blokes, and look for differences from the last few years.

I was not expecting to see a remarkable improvement in skills and decision making or all the bad habits disaspear like magic.
These things will take time and for some players it just wont happen. You can practice something new all you want, but when the pressure is on people generaly revert to what is already ingrained. It takes a long time to replace one ingrained habit with another, and the more you are exposed to pressure , hopefully the sooner this will happen.

What I did notice was a change in the way players deal with the ball carrier. In the past once the opposition had posession, or even looked like they would take possesion , the closest bloke would peel of to a short distance from the ball carrier and basically stand the mark.

Last night the bloke closest to the ball carrier closed in on him, putting him under at least a hint of pressure. Sometimes up to three blokes would turn and move towards him. On a number of times this caused that man to turn sideways or even backwards. This is what sides like hawthorne are so good at making us do, which sends most of us mental.

The difference is Hawthorne have been doing this as a unit for a while, an even won a premiership doing it, so they are also pretty good at absorbing that pressure untill eventually someone finds space and getting the ball to them. But at least that pressure was being applied.

Out third goal was probably even due to this. The hawthorne player should have taken posseion in the goalsquare. Last year Hislop would have stood where he was about 15 meters away with his hands in the air. Last night as hislop started to crowd him, he fumbled , Hislop, already moving hit the accelerator and a goal resulted. Last year the fumbler would have had time to recroup or at least be able to rush a behind

So there is a start, just a little basic step, but 1 little improvement

Most times there was always some one chasing the ball carrier, the problem was they were often so far away to start with they were never going to get them, but they still chased. I watched the game again this morning and did not notice 1 single occasion where the ball carrier ran away from someone who stood there with hands on his hips. Even if they were 15 meters away, there was someone always chasing. As sides like hawthorne dont make to many unforced errors, these energy draining 1%ers raley have any obvious impact, but it's a pretty good mindset.
I also noticed the workrate on these things dropped off towards the end of the quater. Match fitness and maturing for the kids will help that.

The willingness to make body contact was so much better than I have seen for a long time, even allowing for any passengers. Nason put a beautiful hit about midway through the second term. It opened the ball up for us but a skill error caused a turnover, but you dont need a crystal to know that was still going to happen. Martin goes in hard. Thompson nearly got killed backing up eyes on the ball. Thompson (Farmer?) hit the ball and franklin hard.. and hurt him. Nahas hit the ball and ??(Roughhead??) hard. Ill bet that Hawthorne are the sorest today that any side has been after a first round NAB cup game against Richmond for a long time. Thats probably not saying much but its still an improvement.

They never stopped trying to play how they are told, its just that Hawthorne never allowed them to untill the last quarter. Hawthorne forced them wide and kept them wide. In the last quater , when hawthorne eased off, things started to work, we could see how they wanted to play. Yeah they were junk time goals if you want, but in the past such a game becomes party time for the opposition in the last quarter. Because these guys till kept trying to do what they are told to do, when the opposition eased off we could step up, rather than mess your nappies so badly the game starts looking a training drill for the opposition done at half pace.

Hawthorne were just a better side for most of the first three quarters.  Basically we were trying to beat them at their own game, but we we not good enough. No real surprise really, but got a good lesson.

The only thing that will stop Martin from being a star is between his ears, he has everything else. Surprised me with the number of unforced errors he made but hell, first game ever played at that pace and intensity  :clapping - I hope they dont ever give him the captaincy if he is not a natural leader.

Yeah, I still see some of the same old poo, but I also can see some subtle improvements, things that will hopefully build the foundation for a team that can carry some average players, as all goods sides do, because of their work ethic. It's going to be a long season but there will be some times we get so sing the song. I really hope Footscray treat us with the contempt they normally do round 2.


To me the biggest disappointments of the night are that I have to wait until the real stuff starts to see them again, and that one of the stretchers called onto the ground wasn't for Campbell Brown.  ;D

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Re: NAB Cup 2010
« Reply #305 on: February 14, 2010, 10:55:16 PM »
Some pics from the game from slatteryimages:

http://images.slatterymedia.com/photography/results/?q=collection:AFL 2010 NAB Cup Rd 01 - Hawthorn v Richmond&sub_code=all

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Re: NAB Cup 2010
« Reply #306 on: February 16, 2010, 01:28:53 AM »
NAB Cup round one: the wash-up
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February 15, 2010 - 3:07PM


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Believe it or not, but there were positives to come out of this massacre. Daniel Connors won plenty of the ball, used it pretty well under pressure and finally looks ready to claim a place on a flank. Draftee Dustin Martin is not only talented, but tough, and strong bodied – the Tigers will be hard-pressed to keep him out of the team, at least for the first half of the year. Up forward, Jack Riewoldt and Robin Nahas made the most of their chances when they came, David Astbury hit the ball hard up forward and David Gourdis showed some composure whilst battling against the odds in defence.

The sobering reality is that it will take many more matches before this squad gels, and even then, they are inexperienced or deficient in so many areas that new coach Damien Hardwick must be cut a lot of slack. And if they persist with tough ball-winner Tom Hislop up forward, where his atrocious kicking was showcased on Saturday, ulcer medication will be needed before May.

Did not play: Ben Cousins, Nathan Foley, Daniel Jackson, Troy Simmonds, Will Thursfield, Troy Taylor, Jordan McMahon. But, outside of the first three, how many of those players will get a game, and make a big difference, come the regular season?

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Re: NAB Cup 2010
« Reply #307 on: February 16, 2010, 07:13:01 AM »
We were also missing Luke McGuane. Probably our best tall defender.
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Re: NAB Cup 2010
« Reply #308 on: February 18, 2010, 09:32:38 AM »
I watched this game with no expectations of the scoreboard being too pretty at all.

I just wanted to watch the new blokes, and look for differences from the last few years.


I watched the last quarter again yesterday al. You're right about some of the little improvements.

If anyone still has the last quarter, stick a bit of paper over the scoreboard and just watch for the changes in game plan. I understand the Hawks put the cue in the rack, but our guys clicked a few times.

The forward zone worked quite well against the Hawks defenders, and yes Hislop kicked terribly, but he tackled ferociously and hit hard. We held them up very well, and one thing I saw that made me very happy was NO MORE CORRALLING. As soon as there was a handball and a play on situation for the Hawks, the Tiger forwards charged in like sharks sensing blood.

We also didn't seem to get held up as often, players had enough support to keep the ball moving forward, quickly and skilfully.





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Re: NAB Cup 2010
« Reply #309 on: February 18, 2010, 09:57:31 AM »
Did anyone tell Jarryd Morton that His cue was in the rack?? He certainly didn't look like he was too happy with that fact that his brother marked and goaled on him. He was rather miffed actually. I genuinely think that there was solid improvement in the last quarter from us and sure, Hawthorn's intensity may have dropped a notch or two but to say they all put the cue in the rack is drawing a long bow.

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Re: NAB Cup 2010
« Reply #310 on: February 18, 2010, 09:56:22 PM »
Got to love sibling rivalry. It was a rare funny moment on the night how Jarryd reacted to brother Mitch outsmarting and outmarking him. I'm sure that one got a mention over the family table.

The forward zone worked quite well against the Hawks defenders, and yes Hislop kicked terribly, but he tackled ferociously and hit hard. We held them up very well, and one thing I saw that made me very happy was NO MORE CORRALLING. As soon as there was a handball and a play on situation for the Hawks, the Tiger forwards charged in like sharks sensing blood.

We also didn't seem to get held up as often, players had enough support to keep the ball moving forward, quickly and skilfully.
The Hawks' rolling zone looked to have disappeared in the last quarter. We were able to play direct corridor footy and kick long without being held up or turning the ball over every sec. That's a good observation wayne about us hunting to tackle in our forward line  :thumbsup rather than just uselessly corralling to give the opposition player with the ball time to find a free teammate.
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Re: NAB Cup 2010
« Reply #311 on: February 19, 2010, 11:26:32 PM »
Good to see some things never change with the Pies losing by one point  :rollin

I took interest in the 5m protected zone rule tonight and it looked like the umps had been told to back off after the farce of our game. Tonight there were times where there were 2-3 players of each side within 5m of the player who had taken the mark yet no 50m was paid.



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Re: NAB Cup 2010
« Reply #312 on: February 19, 2010, 11:33:40 PM »

I took interest in the 5m protected zone rule tonight and it looked like the umps had been told to back off after the farce of our game. Tonight there were times where there were 2-3 players of each side within 5m of the player who had taken the mark yet no 50m was paid.


MT, I too watched closely how the umps would handle that terrible rule and yes I agree the backed off in a big way. On several occasions players were in the zone and all they had to do was put their hands up in surrender and they were given a get out of jail free card. I guess we were the sacrificial lambs after all.

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Re: NAB Cup 2010
« Reply #313 on: February 20, 2010, 12:33:57 AM »
Good to see some things never change with the Pies losing by one point  :rollin
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It's like 1966 all over again :lol

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Re: NAB Cup 2010
« Reply #314 on: February 20, 2010, 01:00:17 AM »
So true RR  :lol


I took interest in the 5m protected zone rule tonight and it looked like the umps had been told to back off after the farce of our game. Tonight there were times where there were 2-3 players of each side within 5m of the player who had taken the mark yet no 50m was paid.


MT, I too watched closely how the umps would handle that terrible rule and yes I agree the backed off in a big way. On several occasions players were in the zone and all they had to do was put their hands up in surrender and they were given a get out of jail free card. I guess we were the sacrificial lambs after all.
Sacrificial lambs indeed!  :banghead. I hope we set a formal complaint midweek to Geisch and the AFL about that crap.

I saw the hands up in surrender from a few players too last night like they were naughty 5 year olds  :wallywink. Also Leigh Brown one time pointed to the ump about a Saints player running back around him as he was going back to take his kick and the ump just ignored him. I'm not knocking the umps for this because last night's game was well and fairly umpired. It just showed up how ridiculous and biased the decisions were against us last week. Hopefully next year we ask for a game in the second week of the first round of the NAB Cup to try and avoid being set-up like that with new rules coming in.

On the game itself as much as I hate to say it both sides last night looked like they'll be top 6 contenders once again. A decent standard game for February plus the Saints were missing half a dozen or so of their GF side. The Pies were definitely missing Fraser, Anthony and a couple of others. Cloke still can't kick to save himself  :lol
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