Contoversial Topic #1 - Global Warming & Carbon Emissions Trading

[Penelope]

quite simple. for economic growth you need population growth.

population growth creates growth in demand for goods and services.

no population growth means things stagnate at best, or go backwards as the current population ages.

[Judge Roughneck]

Sounds very silly to me.

Doesn't take into consideration - for example oil is a finite not infinite resource

Hence More people = more demand = more economic growth.. What about when there is no more oil? (Or fish or trees or whatever)

Yet we live in a state where we sell assets for short term profit regardless of then no longer having the asset and then being screwed. And a world where it's not seen as odd for one man to have 125 billion dollars and another nothing so it does not surprise me.

Yet from a theoretical sense the consumer-capitalist paradigm to me seems flawed.

[Penelope]

The oil will run out whether there is growth or not. Cuba have already shown that you can survive with minimal oil as they had to adapt when the soviet union collapsed and their oil supply ( as well as fertiliser) supply disappeared.
Of course though, they dont have the constraints of capitalism driving their decision making .

Im not defending the system, or saying it is good, just how it is.

as long as the emphasis is on economic growth, you need population growth, which is why i refer to it as a pyramid system. eventually it will fail, and not just for this reason.

as an example, if the population remained stagnant, you would soon have little need to build new buildings. There goes not just a whole industry, but one that is a major driver of the economy. Its why many economists put a  importance on new housing approvals as an indicator of how the economy is travelling.

The capitalist system isn't something that is planned. no one sat down and wrote a book on how it would work, it has evolved over time, in what has been very much a trial and error caper.

[Judge Roughneck]

My mistake I was using the 16th-18th century as a starting point but upon further reading it seems to have a more Loose starting point.

[Penelope]

Yeah, probably a few thousand years before JC played full back for Jerusalem, when money first came into being.

[Judge Roughneck]

Source

[Penelope]

[dwaino]

 

[one-eyed]

THE CSIRO may have discovered a process that may end the reliance on fossil fuels for energy.

Dubbing it a game-changer that was on a level with the breaking of the sound barrier, the organisation said it had used solar energy to generate hot and pressurised supercritical steam at the highest temperatures ever achieved outside of fossil fuel sources.

The organisation said the breakthrough was just the first step and it was now a matter of proving the process could work in a commercial application.

The breakthrough was made at the CSIRO Energy Centre, Newcastle, where two solar thermal test plants featuring more than 600 mirrors are directed at two towers housing solar receivers and turbines.

http://www.news.com.au/national/csiro-claims-gamechanging-solar-discovery-could-end-reliance-on-fossil-fuels/story-e6frfkp9-1226943557823

[Judge Roughneck]

Injuries "crucifixion

[dwaino]

THE CSIRO may have discovered a process that may end the reliance on fossil fuels for energy.

Dubbing it a game-changer that was on a level with the breaking of the sound barrier, the organisation said it had used solar energy to generate hot and pressurised supercritical steam at the highest temperatures ever achieved outside of fossil fuel sources.

The organisation said the breakthrough was just the first step and it was now a matter of proving the process could work in a commercial application.

The breakthrough was made at the CSIRO Energy Centre, Newcastle, where two solar thermal test plants featuring more than 600 mirrors are directed at two towers housing solar receivers and turbines.

http://www.news.com.au/national/csiro-claims-gamechanging-solar-discovery-could-end-reliance-on-fossil-fuels/story-e6frfkp9-1226943557823

I'm sure the science minister will get right on to this with some funding... oh wait.

[1965]

Finally Abbott might have a reason to get serious on climate change.

 

US ties at risk over climate
 
June 7, 2014
Peter Hannam 

Australia risks seriously damaging its international reputation and being isolated in the global debate on climate change unless it rethinks its inaction on greenhouse gases, international experts have warned.

And a top adviser to the Obama administration on climate change said Australia could jeopardise its relationship with the United States if the Abbott government fails to fall into line on climate policy.

''I think everyone except the climate deniers is deeply concerned with the direction [Australia] is going,'' Heather Zichal, the White House's chief climate adviser until last November, told Fairfax Media.

A new report released ahead of a meeting between President Barack Obama and Prime Minister Tony Abbott next Friday found Australia's commitment to addressing climate change had slipped behind other countries, including China and Indonesia.

''The implication from US policy for Australia is that we have stepped up to the table with solid solutions to this global challenge. Is Australia going to join President Obama in making progress or stand on the sidelines?'' Ms Zichal said.

The concern over Australia's stance came as the leaders of the Group of Seven major economies expressed their ''strong determination'' to adopt a global climate treaty that was ''ambitious, inclusive and reflects changing global circumstances'' at a summit in Paris next year.

It also coincides with China, the world's biggest emitter, confirming its intentions to limit emissions for the first time. ''We will try our utmost to peak as early as possible,'' said Xie Zhenhua, China's chief climate envoy.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/us-ties-at-risk-over-climate-20140606-39omo.html#ixzz33tNHkY32

[tigs2011]

FFS even Americans think he's an idiot. 

[Rampstar]

the americans are the biggest dills in the world who gives a poo what they say 

[dwaino]

Massive correlation between religious numpties and climate change skeptics.