Permission to train list

[mightytiges]

I wasn't necessarily meaning we should go for talls either even though we need more of them. I agree it's no point picking up kids who have too many flaws to correct just because they are tall. All I was saying is it is very rare for footballers in the mid-170cms to make it at AFL level unless they have some freakish speed and skill like a Rioli. Why not go after kids in the 180cms who aren't that rare either and have body types more suitable to AFL to win their own footy as they won't get easily pushed around and knocked off the ball like the 170cms guys will especially in finals? I understand the best available and upgrading arguments but with 10 already on our list I don't see the need to stretch that out to 12 say just to find the best 4. You can find decent smalls anytime in any draft in any year. They are a dime a dozen. If we believe our existing smalls aren't the answer moving forward then you delist them before you recruit so many more.

[one-eyed]

As of 9/12/09

RICHMOND

Jayden Cass (Eastern Rangers)
Josh Free (North Ballarat)
Alex Goodingham (Dandenong Stingrays)
Dylan Grimes (Northern Knights)
James Hallahan (Dandenong Stingrays)
Robbie Hicks (Calder Cannons)
Ben Jakobi (Sandringham Dragons)
Justin Kadhlefelt (Southport)
James O’Rielly (Ireland)
Graham Polak (Richmond)
Relton Roberts (Wanderers)
Luke Tobin (Sandringham Dragons)



Putt still training with Hawthorn but Coburg's Morris is no longer training with the Bulldogs.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/87983/default.aspx

[mightytiges]

As of 9/12/09

RICHMOND

Jayden Cass (Eastern Rangers)
Josh Free (North Ballarat)
Alex Goodingham (Dandenong Stingrays)
Dylan Grimes (Northern Knights)
James Hallahan (Dandenong Stingrays)
Robbie Hicks (Calder Cannons)
Ben Jakobi (Sandringham Dragons)
Justin Kadhlefelt (Southport)
James O’Rielly (Ireland)
Graham Polak (Richmond)
Relton Roberts (Wanderers)
Luke Tobin (Sandringham Dragons)

We know we are picking up Polly and O'Reilly so there's 10 names vying for just 5 spots.

Is injury the only reason Alex Goodingham (Dandenong / 187cm /78kg at Nov, 2008) been overlooked? He was overlooked last year as well.

Vision: http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=70366

Might get shot for this but this kid has barely rated a mention which surprises almost as much as the lack of discussion around Liam Jones. Goodingham entered the year [2008] pretty highly regarded and would have been a RD 3 ND selection at start of year. Like German had a pretty interrupted year with injury. Physical presence on a ground and will hold his feet in a contest. Strong overhead and has neat skills. Could be a real bargain this late and will be watching for him.

http://www.magpies.net/nick/bb/viewtopic.php?t=47687

[torch]

RICHMOND

Jayden Cass (Eastern Rangers)
Josh Free (North Ballarat)
Alex Goodingham (Dandenong Stingrays)
Dylan Grimes (Northern Knights)
James Hallahan (Dandenong Stingrays)
Robbie Hicks (Calder Cannons)
Ben Jakobi (Sandringham Dragons)
Justin Kadhlefelt (Southport)
James O’Rielly (Ireland)
Graham Polak (Richmond)
Relton Roberts (Wanderers)
Luke Tobin (Sandringham Dragons)


what are the details of these two?

 

[Penelope]

RICHMOND

Jayden Cass (Eastern Rangers)
Josh Free (North Ballarat)
Alex Goodingham (Dandenong Stingrays)
Dylan Grimes (Northern Knights)
James Hallahan (Dandenong Stingrays)
Robbie Hicks (Calder Cannons)
Ben Jakobi (Sandringham Dragons)
Justin Kadhlefelt (Southport)
James O’Rielly (Ireland)
Graham Polak (Richmond)
Relton Roberts (Wanderers)
Luke Tobin (Sandringham Dragons)


what are the details of these two?

 

Relton Roberts

Age: 23

Height: 175cm 

Hometown: Katherine

Recruited from: Wanderes Football Club (NTFL) / Katherine
http://www.territoryfc.com.au/index.php?id=50

http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Relton%20Roberts&action=PSTATS&pID=190476517&client=1-2860-0-97035-11226874

A couple of posts on bigfooty from posters who give their location as darwin, for what it's worth;

Sublime skill by foot on either side of the body...
When you ask Relton wether he is right or left footed he replies "I dont know" and he's for real haha - he is the definition of ambidextrous.
Iv'e seen him snap some great goals from 50 on his left and right foot, man i hope you guys pick him up, he'd be such a handy player.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16406031&postcount=6

Would not mind at all if we picked up Relton with a rookie pick. Has played in the NTFL for a number of years now for both Nightcliff and Wanderers and is a tremendously skilled footballer. In my opinion he is a better prospect than Liam Patrick and Shane Thorne, who are both similar age wise to Roberts. He has done some amazing things on the footy field and will definately impress with his skills if he is training with us. I heard last week while playing against Tiwi Bombers he had about 15 clearances and was best on ground despite his side losing by 60 points. There may be some doubts about his work ethic to make it at AFL level but I don't know the bloke personally.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16408801&postcount=20

Goulburn Valley's two Aboriginal stars from the Northern Territory, Relton Roberts and Rowan Bonson, rang rings around the BFLs best defenders with Roberts kicking three goals and Bonson one. The pair often shared the ball

http://www.thecourier.com.au/news/local/sport/general/goulburn-valley-overpowers-ballarat-at-interleague-carnival/780522.aspx

[torch]

thanks al!

 

[mightytiges]

Ben Jakobi (Sandringham Dragons)
Relton Roberts (Wanderers)

what are the details of these two?

 

Jakobi was captain of Brighton Grammar this year. Played two games for Sandringham dragons

http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Benjamin%20Jakobi&action=PSTATS&pID=189744766&client=1-3020-0-81015-8064749

Pics: (He's #33)

http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/pics/00/00/48/40/484090_1_L.jpg
http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/pics/00/00/48/40/484098_1_L.jpg
http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/pics/00/00/48/41/484102_1_L.jpg
http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/pics/00/00/48/41/484106_1_L.jpg

[one-eyed]

From NT News
Andrew Aloia
December 11th, 2009

At Punt Road, Barunga and Wanderers star Relton Roberts has pushed a compelling case for Richmond recruiters to consider.

AFLNT's talent and coaching manager Jarrod Chipperfield has locked in the 23-year-old utility as a smoky.

"Relton's skills really impressed them but his fitness is a long way off the elite level required," Chipperfield said,

"It sounds like the Tigers could take him as a mature age rookie, a bit of a project player."

http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2009/12/11/108641_ntsport.html

[Penelope]

From NT News
Andrew Aloia
December 11th, 2009

At Punt Road, Barunga and Wanderers star Relton Roberts has pushed a compelling case for Richmond recruiters to consider.

AFLNT's talent and coaching manager Jarrod Chipperfield has locked in the 23-year-old utility as a smoky.

"Relton's skills really impressed them but his fitness is a long way off the elite level required," Chipperfield said,

"It sounds like the Tigers could take him as a mature age rookie, a bit of a project player."

http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2009/12/11/108641_ntsport.html

You've got more chance of getting a skilled player fit, than making a fit player skilled. As long as he has the required work ethic, on and off the field.

[mightytiges]

From NT News
Andrew Aloia
December 11th, 2009

At Punt Road, Barunga and Wanderers star Relton Roberts has pushed a compelling case for Richmond recruiters to consider.

AFLNT's talent and coaching manager Jarrod Chipperfield has locked in the 23-year-old utility as a smoky.

"Relton's skills really impressed them but his fitness is a long way off the elite level required," Chipperfield said,

"It sounds like the Tigers could take him as a mature age rookie, a bit of a project player."

http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2009/12/11/108641_ntsport.html

You've got more chance of getting a skilled player fit, than making a fit player skilled. As long as he has the required work ethic, on and off the field.

I know the rookie list is for rough diamonds that need polishing but I guess the thing that concerns me is a small at 23 y.o. shouldn't be a project player when small's are a dime a dozen to find. For someone with a height deficiency at only 175cm (not his fault that's his genetics) to also lack fitness is one too many issues to have question marks on.

[Penelope]

I wouldnt be too concerned about the fitness MT, that can be quickly rectified if he has the right desire. I'm not to sure how the comp up here compares in standard to others  but i reckon the professionalism would be  below that of even the top country leagues so a lot of the guys would only be doing what they have to to get a game. It all depends on if they have the desire to work hard to to take their game to a new level.

From what i have heard/read hardwick has a definate plan in what he wants - certain number of type x, certain number of type y players.  Roberts would probably being looked at as a small forward so fitness is not as big an issue as it is for a midfielder.
I'd guess Roberts and Free are competing for the same spot (player type) and I'll trust whichever way they go. It all seems to be a lot more professional and thought out than previous years.

[one-eyed]

I can't remember which thread asked about Dylan Grimes' height but this is Burgan's spiel on him.....

Dylan Grimes (Northern Knights, VIC)
Height: 192cm, Weight: 81kg, DOB: 16/07/91
Recruited from: Hurstbridge
The younger brother of emerging Demon Jack is also set to join the AFL. Grimes is taller than his older sibling, impressing with his closing speed and strong defensive play.
Draft range: 30-50

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85991/default.aspx

[peggles]

I wouldnt be too concerned about the fitness MT, that can be quickly rectified if he has the right desire. I'm not to sure how the comp up here compares in standard to others  but i reckon the professionalism would be  below that of even the top country leagues so a lot of the guys would only be doing what they have to to get a game. It all depends on if they have the desire to work hard to to take their game to a new level.

From what i have heard/read hardwick has a definate plan in what he wants - certain number of type x, certain number of type y players.  Roberts would probably being looked at as a small forward so fitness is not as big an issue as it is for a midfielder.
I'd guess Roberts and Free are competing for the same spot (player type) and I'll trust whichever way they go. It all seems to be a lot more professional and thought out than previous years.

while i agree with everything else, i don't think the bit about free is true.  he isn't a small forward.  He's more of a backpocket/mid player.

[one-eyed]

As of 14/12/09

RICHMOND

Jayden Cass (Eastern Ranges)
Josh Free (North Ballarat)
Alex Goodingham (Dandenong Stingrays)
Dylan Grimes (Northern Knights)
James Hallahan (Dandenong Stingrays)
Robbie Hicks (Calder Cannons)
Ben Jakobi (Sandringham Dragons)
Justin Kadhlefelt (Southport)
James O’Rielly (Ireland)
Graham Polak (Richmond)
Relton Roberts (Wanderers)
Luke Tobin (Sandringham Dragons)

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/88109/default.aspx

[mightytiges]

No changes for us. You would reckon though that FJ and Cameron would have a fair idea who they want.