Ben Griffiths [merged]

[big tone]

I made a error, and corrected it. Best I can. Dont think it deserves any more comments on it as my real point has sort of been lost in it.

I think we should keep a tall player that has just started to show what he can do after 59 games.  Trading him now would be a mistake IMHO. Same goes for Astbury

When do people expect talls to show what they can do?  20 Games,  50 games, 80 Games or like Vickery 119 games.

Don't let a few good games fool you Fluff.
True he has only played 59 games but as already said more importantly he has been on our list nearly 7 years. How much longer do you give a guy?
What if this time next year he has teased you with the same output as this year? Does he then get another year??
This year he has played 11 games for 14 goals and 5 of those were in one game. A KPF after 7 years should have a better record than that surely.
Last year 13 games for 12 goals.

[Fluffy Tiger]

I made a error, and corrected it. Best I can. Dont think it deserves any more comments on it as my real point has sort of been lost in it.

I think we should keep a tall player that has just started to show what he can do after 59 games.  Trading him now would be a mistake IMHO. Same goes for Astbury

When do people expect talls to show what they can do?  20 Games,  50 games, 80 Games or like Vickery 119 games.

Don't let a few good games fool you Fluff.
True he has only played 59 games but as already said more importantly he has been on our list nearly 7 years. How much longer do you give a guy?
What if this time next year he has teased you with the same output as this year? Does he then get another year??
This year he has played 11 games for 14 goals and 5 of those were in one game. A KPF after 7 years should have a better record than that surely.
Last year 13 games for 12 goals.

I have always been bullish about him, not just the "few good" games. I know he has many injuries and so people say he is made of paper. I know some say he is soft. I know some say he doesn't kick enough goals. I just have watched him carefully. I like what I see when he rucks, I like how he pairs very well with who ever is the main ruck. I like the positions he gets too. I like his contest at the ball, like his hands and like his boot. Too me I see everything we need as a 2nd kpf/ruck. Maybe I am wrong but for me I would be loathed to see that talent and the amount of time we have put into him wasted or even worse kicking some goals against us.

Now Vickery is a different story, don't see any of that in him

[camboon]

Griff will stay , TV with go, you don't let players go when the start to live up to their potential
Remember when people wanted to trade Rance and even Jack
Vickery needs to go because shows no endeavour and spirt not because he hasn't got the ability

[Yeahright]

Let's see how the rest of his year pans out. Average less than say 3 marks and a goal a game he should be tossed. IF he maintains his form throughout the rest of the year. Chuck him a bone (1 year) but he'd have to damn well perform next year

[big tone]

Griff will stay , TV with go, you don't let players go when the start to live up to their potential
Remember when people wanted to trade Rance and even Jack
Vickery needs to go because shows no endeavour and spirt not because he hasn't got the ability

I don't think Griff shows endeavour or spirit either. Far from it.
They both need to be shown the door.

But if you are going on records Vickery has got him well and truely covered.

[camboon]

Not our decision anyway thank goodness , it will be intestering to see who's closer to the mark but most tiger supporters would take griff over vickery

[Francois Jackson]

Griff will stay , TV with go, you don't let players go when the start to live up to their potential
Remember when people wanted to trade Rance and even Jack
Vickery needs to go because shows no endeavour and spirt not because he hasn't got the ability

I don't think Griff shows endeavour or spirit either. Far from it.
They both need to be shown the door.

But if you are going on records Vickery has got him well and truely covered.

100%. Whilst I don't rate either, it still baffles me how some think Griffiths is a better prospect

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Griff will stay , TV with go, you don't let players go when the start to live up to their potential
Remember when people wanted to trade Rance and even Jack
Vickery needs to go because shows no endeavour and spirt not because he hasn't got the ability

I don't think Griff shows endeavour or spirit either. Far from it.
They both need to be shown the door.

But if you are going on records Vickery has got him well and truely covered.

100%. Whilst I don't rate either, it still baffles me how some think Griffiths is a better prospect

I guess it's because he can play in the ruck and around the ground without collapsing in a blubbering mess. Vickery's endurance is putrid rendering him useless. So unless he's ducking out the back for a cheapie or outmarking a midget and then shooting for goal, he contributes very little to the team.

[🏅Dooks]

Griff will stay , TV with go, you don't let players go when the start to live up to their potential
Remember when people wanted to trade Rance and even Jack
Vickery needs to go because shows no endeavour and spirt not because he hasn't got the ability

I don't think Griff shows endeavour or spirit either. Far from it.
They both need to be shown the door.

But if you are going on records Vickery has got him well and truely covered.

100%. Whilst I don't rate either, it still baffles me how some think Griffiths is a better prospect

I guess it's because he can play in the ruck and around the ground without collapsing in a blubbering mess. Vickery's endurance is putrid rendering him useless. So unless he's ducking out the back for a cheapie or outmarking a midget and then shooting for goal, he contributes very little to the team.

Ill add to that, that Vickery actually avoids contact in ruck contests. Not always but maybe 1 in 6 or so.

[Francois Jackson]

Griff will stay , TV with go, you don't let players go when the start to live up to their potential
Remember when people wanted to trade Rance and even Jack
Vickery needs to go because shows no endeavour and spirt not because he hasn't got the ability

I don't think Griff shows endeavour or spirit either. Far from it.
They both need to be shown the door.

But if you are going on records Vickery has got him well and truely covered.

100%. Whilst I don't rate either, it still baffles me how some think Griffiths is a better prospect

I guess it's because he can play in the ruck and around the ground without collapsing in a blubbering mess. Vickery's endurance is putrid rendering him useless. So unless he's ducking out the back for a cheapie or outmarking a midget and then shooting for goal, he contributes very little to the team.

your saying griffiths hasnt done this before. LMFAO.

[mat073]

Gifted Hawthorn to easy goals and back to missing easy set shots.
A day to forget for big benny.

[Fluffy Tiger]

Gifted Hawthorn to easy goals and back to missing easy set shots.
A day to forget for big benny.

True. A day to forget for about 18 of the 22. And for all us supporters.

One thing I will say is that those that think he should play back should have a look at this game. He is not a natural defender.

[WilliamPowell]

Once Cyril gotin his head after that slip in the 2nd, he was done for the day. Till  then he was alright, after that crap

[Diocletian]

Still waiting for that sequel to Sydney....

[big tone]

Gifted Hawthorn to easy goals and back to missing easy set shots.
A day to forget for big benny.

True. A day to forget for about 18 of the 22. And for all us supporters.

One thing I will say is that those that think he should play back should have a look at this game. He is not a natural defender.

Did you watch him carefully today Fluff?

The couple of good things he does do get overshadowed by the crap stuff he does.

I also thought his ruck work today was pi55 weak. He never fought for front position at boundary throw ins. Happy to try and lean over the ruckman in front.

He is passionless