D. Hardwick

[jackstar is back again]

I'm still not confident that we can extract ourselves out of this mire though.

I aint confident either

Then please, go find somewhere else to peddle your pessimism.  Just think what our league would be if other clubs/supporters were as stoic as you:

Bulldogs - 56 years since a flag - GONE.
Melbourne - 46 years since a flag - GONE.
St Kilda - 44 years since a flag - GONE.
Swans - 72 years between flags - GONE.
Geelong - 44 years between flags - GONE.
Collingwood - 32 years between flags - GONE.

Real support is not like water from a tap that you can turn on and off - it means backing your club through the good times and the bad.  Well guess what, we are going through the bad, so harden up or go follow someone else.

Funny post.
Most  these clubs have played finals recently
 

[Ramps]

I'm still not confident that we can extract ourselves out of this mire though.

I aint confident either

Then please, go find somewhere else to peddle your pessimism.  Just think what our league would be if other clubs/supporters were as stoic as you:

Bulldogs - 56 years since a flag - GONE.
Melbourne - 46 years since a flag - GONE.
St Kilda - 44 years since a flag - GONE.
Swans - 72 years between flags - GONE.
Geelong - 44 years between flags - GONE.
Collingwood - 32 years between flags - GONE.

Real support is not like water from a tap that you can turn on and off - it means backing your club through the good times and the bad.  Well guess what, we are going through the bad, so harden up or go follow someone else.

smoke sorry to pull you  up on your analysis but when you refer to the pies can you put it in the context of 1 flag in 50 years it sounds so so much better 

It's actually 1 flag in 52.

We on the other hand have won 5 flags in 43 years  What can I say we are still powerbrokers of the AFL 

[FNM]

I'm still not confident that we can extract ourselves out of this mire though.

I aint confident either

Then please, go find somewhere else to peddle your pessimism.  Just think what our league would be if other clubs/supporters were as stoic as you:

Bulldogs - 56 years since a flag - GONE.
Melbourne - 46 years since a flag - GONE.
St Kilda - 44 years since a flag - GONE.
Swans - 72 years between flags - GONE.
Geelong - 44 years between flags - GONE.
Collingwood - 32 years between flags - GONE.

Real support is not like water from a tap that you can turn on and off - it means backing your club through the good times and the bad.  Well guess what, we are going through the bad, so harden up or go follow someone else.

Funny post.
Most  these clubs have played finals recently
 

No what's funny is you never get it 

[Smokey]

I'm still not confident that we can extract ourselves out of this mire though.

I aint confident either

Then please, go find somewhere else to peddle your pessimism.  Just think what our league would be if other clubs/supporters were as stoic as you:

Bulldogs - 56 years since a flag - GONE.
Melbourne - 46 years since a flag - GONE.
St Kilda - 44 years since a flag - GONE.
Swans - 72 years between flags - GONE.
Geelong - 44 years between flags - GONE.
Collingwood - 32 years between flags - GONE.

Real support is not like water from a tap that you can turn on and off - it means backing your club through the good times and the bad.  Well guess what, we are going through the bad, so harden up or go follow someone else.

Funny post.
Most  these clubs have played finals recently
 

Exactly my point Jack.  Supporting a football club is full of ups and downs, and as a supporter you have to tick this box of acceptance if you want to be classified as one.  Bob Skilton, one of the greatest ever players, triple Brownlow Medallist, played in one final in his career.  Just imagine supporting his club!!  It happens to many clubs and if you really want to SUPPORT your club then you need to suck it up when things aren't going as you want - actually, it's when things are at their lowest that your support is most needed and can do the most good.  Peddling criticism and negativity are sure-fire methods of making things harder for the team you 'support'.  Right now Richmond needs supporters more than any time in it's history - get on or go away.

[Chuck17]

Exactly my point Jack.  Supporting a football club is full of ups and downs, and as a supporter you have to tick this box of acceptance if you want to be classified as one.  Bob Skilton, one of the greatest ever players, triple Brownlow Medallist, played in one final in his career.  Just imagine supporting his club!!  It happens to many clubs and if you really want to SUPPORT your club then you need to suck it up when things aren't going as you want - actually, it's when things are at their lowest that your support is most needed and can do the most good.  Peddling criticism and negativity are sure-fire methods of making things harder for the team you 'support'.  Right now Richmond needs supporters more than any time in it's history - get on or go away.

    

[crannyvegas]

We're talking about our club on an internet forum, isn't the dedication to the club implied??

If you follow the club blindly without being critical of decisions being made, does that mean you are a better supporter?

I think people underestimate the predicament we are in, given the direction of the AFL and what will occur in the next 5-10 years.

[jackstar is back again]

I think people underestimate the predicament we are in, given the direction of the AFL and what will occur in the next 5-10 years.

I think this sentence says it all.
People underestimate the mess we are in

[FNM]

I think people underestimate the predicament we are in, given the direction of the AFL and what will occur in the next 5-10 years.

I think this sentence says it all.
People underestimate the mess we are in

You are full of poo
You deliberately put the down club after one game
No-one underestimates the predicament we're in except you
You're the one who wanted change, you got it and now you're screaming like a stuffing baby all over again
You can't get blood out of a stone
These are kids with the novice coach you wanted
You may not have picked him, but by jumping up and down for the last three years, together with your gutless mates, we got a new coach
So you're stuck with him, Sunshine
Blame no-one but yourself if it isn't going to plan
Meanwhile we'll just keep on supporting (and not blindly Cranny 
There are ways you know of making constructive criticism

[jackstar is back again]

FNM=NFI

[tony_montana]

I think people underestimate the predicament we are in, given the direction of the AFL and what will occur in the next 5-10 years.

I think this sentence says it all.
People underestimate the mess we are in

You are full of poo
You deliberately put the down club after one game
No-one underestimates the predicament we're in except you
You're the one who wanted change, you got it and now you're screaming like a effing baby all over again
You can't get blood out of a stone
These are kids with the novice coach you wanted
You may not have picked him, but by jumping up and down for the last three years, together with your gutless mates, we got a new coach
So you're stuck with him, Sunshine
Blame no-one but yourself if it isn't going to plan
Meanwhile we'll just keep on supporting (and not blindly Cranny 
There are ways you know of making constructive criticism

exactly

great post

[Francois Jackson]

We're so young it's scary and the media have a point about our demise
But I'd rather have an us versus them mentality than us with them
And I agree, the kids are having a go, but they're unsupported
Hence my criticism of Tambling.  He still gets treated like he was new and he'll eventually come good.
He might have done a few nice things yesterday, although I missed them to be honest, but he has to do more and more consistently.
That's harsh, but it's what we expect from our leaders

I thought tambling was OK last night (brillant compared to last week  ). Constantly put his body on the line while some others stood back and gave him little or no support. Needs to played of the HBF IMHO

But I undestand people's frustration with him.

they are so young and i feel so old 

i really have to ask what exactly you thought Tambling did to suggest he was okay and not pathetic which is what i think he was.

Who was okay? Newman, Cotch was good, Martin good also, Connors okay. The rest pathetic.

It baffles me how some still think he plays well when he doesnt. He is a down hill skier of the highest order.

Along with Edwards the biggest soft co.cks on our list. One handed attempts at tackling half hearted chases  all Coburg stuff, where both of them need to spend some time in the coming months

[Ramps]

This thread is a reflection of why we are stuffed as a club. A new coach in his 2nd game is being attacked even though he was handed the worst job in AFL footy with the worst list. What did people expect? Hardwick has made a good start, he got rid of 1/4 of the list and another 1/4 will get the arse come september and october. Thats where we are at!

[FNM]

This thread is a reflection of why we are stuffed as a club. A new coach in his 2nd game is being attacked even though he was handed the worst job in AFL footy with the worst list. What did people expect? Hardwick has made a good start, he got rid of 1/4 of the list and another 1/4 will get the behind come september and october. Thats where we are at!

And the kids are having a go but are just not up to it - YET!

[FNM]

This thread is a reflection of why we are stuffed as a club. A new coach in his 2nd game is being attacked even though he was handed the worst job in AFL footy with the worst list. What did people expect? Hardwick has made a good start, he got rid of 1/4 of the list and another 1/4 will get the behind come september and october. Thats where we are at!

Why I'm out of here for a month or two
I can't take the crap that's on this and other boards
The problem with supporters is they overestimate where we're at.
If they had have sat back and looked at the list - the seniors and the kids - there isn't much there
Instead, they put the highest of expectations on a very inexperienced group and expect miracles
You are all fodder for newspapers to continue their attacks on us
They won't let up on us until we let up on ourselves and accept where we're at
Self-destructing is not going to help
And disappointing that those that have an idea (Jack) don't use your good advice generally to help the club rather than what you're doing.
Go and offer your services and do something constructive for a change
I have no problem with your footy nous, and I think you know what you're talking about most times, but we won't have a club soon if we keep all this garbage up.
Round 2 FFS and this is where we're at 

[the_boy_jake]

This thread is a reflection of why we are stuffed as a club. A new coach in his 2nd game is being attacked even though he was handed the worst job in AFL footy with the worst list. What did people expect? Hardwick has made a good start, he got rid of 1/4 of the list and another 1/4 will get the behind come september and october. Thats where we are at!

Spot on Ramps. It was boys against men yesterday and will be all year. I agree with Dimma that its got to be positive, but I agree with jack as well, I don't want to see 17 men behind the ball.

Best for all of us to take a holiday for two years.