2010 Draft Discussion thread [merged]

[camboon]

We should get Gaff or Atley, there has been some raps on Cook but for some reason Darling has dropped down the pecking order.

I get the feel thet even if we play the kids we wont get pick 4 which is a win all round anyway - winning games with an under 23 side! If this the case we might be looking at pick 8?

[Ramps]

I'm praying for Bennell to slip to our pick

Looked like a player you get to finish a rebuild ... at this stage we should be going for safe bets, smith, atley, gaff seem like safe bets

the rebuild should be about done.

If we cannot get the building blocks in place from 2004-2010 then what chance do we have?

2004 draft was diabolical, the Oakley Nicholls, Hughes and Casserley Draft even more so .... we need more safe bets, rebuilds not done yet imo- mainly because of the mistakes of the Wallace and Miller era between 2004 and 2007.

[Judge Roughneck]

05 we have to hope White turns out to be at least a good deapth footballer.
Graham might turn out to be one of the stronger ruckman from the 05 draft pool. Via the rookie draft.

Like it or not thursfield, mcgaune, deledio, tambling, polo already have games under the belt and will be core of our list

I'm praying for Bennell to slip to our pick

Looked like a player you get to finish a rebuild ... at this stage we should be going for safe bets, smith, atley, gaff seem like safe bets

the rebuild should be about done.


If we cannot get the building blocks in place from 2004-2010 then what chance do we have?

2004 draft was diabolical, the Oakley Nicholls, Hughes and Casserley Draft even more so .... we need more safe bets, rebuilds not done yet imo- mainly because of the mistakes of the Wallace and Miller era between 2004 and 2007.

[Ramps]

05 we have to hope White turns out to be at least a good deapth footballer.
Graham might turn out to be one of the stronger ruckman from the 05 draft pool. Via the rookie draft.

Like it or not thursfield, mcgaune, deledio, tambling, polo already have games under the belt and will be core of our list

I'm praying for Bennell to slip to our pick

Looked like a player you get to finish a rebuild ... at this stage we should be going for safe bets, smith, atley, gaff seem like safe bets

the rebuild should be about done.


If we cannot get the building blocks in place from 2004-2010 then what chance do we have?

2004 draft was diabolical, the Oakley Nicholls, Hughes and Casserley Draft even more so .... we need more safe bets, rebuilds not done yet imo- mainly because of the mistakes of the Wallace and Miller era between 2004 and 2007.

theres been some problem with the quotes- the bottom one is mine.

[Francois Jackson]

I'm praying for Bennell to slip to our pick

Looked like a player you get to finish a rebuild ... at this stage we should be going for safe bets, smith, atley, gaff seem like safe bets

the rebuild should be about done.

If we cannot get the building blocks in place from 2004-2010 then what chance do we have?

cant understand how you can  say the rebuild is about done. Wallace screwed us over and Jack goes down Sunday who is going to kick our goals.

We have too many unknowns.

Post, Rance. Griffiths looks a type but how do we know after a few games. We still have big holes in both the back half and front.
Jack aside

You cannot say the rebuild is done no way.  Its nearly there but one more year and a few  good draft selections like the one we have had just had and we will be right.

[Ramps]

agree with Daniel ... need another 2 national drafts before its done, with about 18 new kids onto the list over the next 2 years.

[Francois Jackson]

agree with Daniel ... need another 2 national drafts before its done, with about 18 new kids onto the list over the next 2 years.

i cant understand how it can be said when Griffiths has played only a few games. How do we know what he will end up like?
Astbury ditto

The last thing we want is to have another Richo on our hands where if Jack kicks no goals we lose, we struggle to kick a winning score.

A rebuild is complete when i see Griffiths, Astbury and Post dominate games and kick multiple scores. When Jack does it on his own i say the rebuild is not even half complete.

[Judge Roughneck]

agree with Daniel ... need another 2 national drafts before its done, with about 18 new kids onto the list over the next 2 years.

what 18 players u going delist ?

[one-eyed]

So who are the Martins, Cunningtons, Morabitos, Tom Scullys and Jack Trengoves of the future?

Mark down Harley Bennell from Western Australia. Sam Day and Brodie Smith from South Australia. Adam Treloar, Dyson Heppell and Mitch Hallahan from Vic Country. Andrew Gaff from Vic Metro. Sam Darley from Tasmania.

............

This time last year, the Vic Country under-18 team had a midfield that consisted of Dustin Martin, Ben Cunnington and Ryan Bastinac. When I asked Hyde what position Martin played for him, he answered, in his typical drawl, "Anywhere he bloody well wanted to."

Full article at:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/class-acts-ready-to-graduate-20100702-zu4f.html

[Ramps]

agree with Daniel ... need another 2 national drafts before its done, with about 18 new kids onto the list over the next 2 years.

what 18 players u going delist ?

About 10 this year and then another 8 or so next year ... either by way or trade.

In the next 2 years all these players could be gone either by retirement, delisting or trading

McMahon - gone 100%
Polo - Isnt going anywhere with us and needs a new start somewhere else
Hislop - Average player IMHO, struggled at Essendon, hasnt shown much with us in 2 years and injured
King - Richmond needs to find a better player for the role King plays, a couple of good games in 2 years
Thomson - should be gone 100% wont take us to the next step
Cousins - will probably retire
White -
Dea - didnt show anything in his few games, not all juniors make it.
Hicks - to small and we have enough already of this type
Gilligan - Where is he?
Roberts - I think he'll get delisted, physically not prepared for AFL Footy. Hardwick wont accept it going forward.
Polak- Will retire, should retire, we looked after him after injury but its all over.
Thursfield - Just a stopper now, for a fair trade he is very much tradeable
Jackson - Butchers the footy, for a fair trade he is very much tradeable
Tuck - Late 20s now, going well for the moment, he wont win us a flag and for the right trade why not?
Nahas - Will probably survive but we need a classier player in this role if we wanna win a flag
Moore- late 20s I would trade now, he's shown us whatever he was gonna show us.
Rance - Cant find a position, struggles to kick the footy, not all junior players make it.
Foley - Injury prone now, Ankles are poohouse injuries for footy players that can wreck players, Id trade for the right price.
Then theres players drafted in the next drafts that wont make it. Getting 18 to 20 isnt all that hard.

[Smokey]

agree with Daniel ... need another 2 national drafts before its done, with about 18 new kids onto the list over the next 2 years.

what 18 players u going delist ?

About 10 this year and then another 8 or so next year ... either by way or trade.

In the next 2 years all these players could be gone either by retirement, delisting or trading

McMahon - gone 100%
Polo - Isnt going anywhere with us and needs a new start somewhere else
Hislop - Average player IMHO, struggled at Essendon, hasnt shown much with us in 2 years and injured
King - Richmond needs to find a better player for the role King plays, a couple of good games in 2 years
Thomson - should be gone 100% wont take us to the next step
Cousins - will probably retire
White -
Dea - didnt show anything in his few games, not all juniors make it.
Hicks - to small and we have enough already of this type
Gilligan - Where is he?
Roberts - I think he'll get delisted, physically not prepared for AFL Footy. Hardwick wont accept it going forward.
Polak- Will retire, should retire, we looked after him after injury but its all over.
Thursfield - Just a stopper now, for a fair trade he is very much tradeable
Jackson - Butchers the footy, for a fair trade he is very much tradeable
Tuck - Late 20s now, going well for the moment, he wont win us a flag and for the right trade why not?
Nahas - Will probably survive but we need a classier player in this role if we wanna win a flag
Moore- late 20s I would trade now, he's shown us whatever he was gonna show us.
Rance - Cant find a position, struggles to kick the footy, not all junior players make it.
Foley - Injury prone now, Ankles are poohouse injuries for footy players that can wreck players, Id trade for the right price.
Then theres players drafted in the next drafts that wont make it. Getting 18 to 20 isnt all that hard.

I agree with you on the number of players we still need to turn over Ramps, especially in the next draft/trade period however your comments re: Hicks interest me.  How can you say he should/will be moved on when he hasn't had his chance yet to show us what he's got?  And if you remove Nahas as you suggest, then just how many "enough already of this type" do we have?  Also, you suggest that Hicks is too small - he is 3 cm taller than Eddie Betts and 9kgs lighter - surely you have to give him a couple of pre-seasons to fill out and mature before condemning him for being too small?  I reported in another post that the football department rate him very highly and are very confident he has the ability to make it - Danny Daly's words.

[Ramps]

agree with Daniel ... need another 2 national drafts before its done, with about 18 new kids onto the list over the next 2 years.

what 18 players u going delist ?

About 10 this year and then another 8 or so next year ... either by way or trade.

In the next 2 years all these players could be gone either by retirement, delisting or trading

McMahon - gone 100%
Polo - Isnt going anywhere with us and needs a new start somewhere else
Hislop - Average player IMHO, struggled at Essendon, hasnt shown much with us in 2 years and injured
King - Richmond needs to find a better player for the role King plays, a couple of good games in 2 years
Thomson - should be gone 100% wont take us to the next step
Cousins - will probably retire
White -
Dea - didnt show anything in his few games, not all juniors make it.
Hicks - to small and we have enough already of this type
Gilligan - Where is he?
Roberts - I think he'll get delisted, physically not prepared for AFL Footy. Hardwick wont accept it going forward.
Polak- Will retire, should retire, we looked after him after injury but its all over.
Thursfield - Just a stopper now, for a fair trade he is very much tradeable
Jackson - Butchers the footy, for a fair trade he is very much tradeable
Tuck - Late 20s now, going well for the moment, he wont win us a flag and for the right trade why not?
Nahas - Will probably survive but we need a classier player in this role if we wanna win a flag
Moore- late 20s I would trade now, he's shown us whatever he was gonna show us.
Rance - Cant find a position, struggles to kick the footy, not all junior players make it.
Foley - Injury prone now, Ankles are poohouse injuries for footy players that can wreck players, Id trade for the right price.
Then theres players drafted in the next drafts that wont make it. Getting 18 to 20 isnt all that hard.

I agree with you on the number of players we still need to turn over Ramps, especially in the next draft/trade period however your comments re: Hicks interest me.  How can you say he should/will be moved on when he hasn't had his chance yet to show us what he's got?  And if you remove Nahas as you suggest, then just how many "enough already of this type" do we have?  Also, you suggest that Hicks is too small - he is 3 cm taller than Eddie Betts and 9kgs lighter - surely you have to give him a couple of pre-seasons to fill out and mature before condemning him for being too small?  I reported in another post that the football department rate him very highly and are very confident he has the ability to make it - Danny Daly's words.

Yesterday I wrote up 18 as a number it could have  been 15 ... theres 2 or 3 that are borderline cases and Foley wouldnt be on it if he wasnt injured, forgot to include Simmonds who has already gone. Hicks, its not about this particular player- youll note that I put Nahas and Gilligan and Roberts and King on the list, Its just an opinion but I think we have to many of this type of player and none are really the type that can help win us a flag- thats all. Is Hicks capable of helping us win a flag? Anyway I was asked to put up a list, I did a quick list, in the end, Its just an opinion that doesnt have a lot of weight to it anyway, Hardwick will decide in the end, and thats how it should be, its his club, his team and his future! I hope he doesnt fall  for the same crap that all the other coaches over the past 20 years have fallen for, a few players who should go or be traded play a few good games and then they get kept on! These players IMHO cant win us a flag and wont help us win a flag and therefore Id prefer to see more kids come through in the draft.

[Smokey]

Yesterday I wrote up 18 as a number it could have  been 15 ... theres 2 or 3 that are borderline cases and Foley wouldnt be on it if he wasnt injured, forgot to include Simmonds who has already gone. Hicks, its not about this particular player- youll note that I put Nahas and Gilligan and Roberts and King on the list, Its just an opinion but I think we have to many of this type of player and none are really the type that can help win us a flag- thats all. Is Hicks capable of helping us win a flag? Anyway I was asked to put up a list, I did a quick list, in the end, Its just an opinion that doesnt have a lot of weight to it anyway, Hardwick will decide in the end, and thats how it should be, its his club, his team and his future! I hope he doesnt fall  for the same crap that all the other coaches over the past 20 years have fallen for, a few players who should go or be traded play a few good games and then they get kept on! These players IMHO cant win us a flag and wont help us win a flag and therefore Id prefer to see more kids come through in the draft.

Yeah, all good Ramps and as I said I do agree with you at large.  It just stood out to me that you included Hicks who I intend to have a much closer look at after hearing Daly speak about him in Brisbane.  I think the small crumbing forward type is a classic area in our list where we need to be continually turning them over at this point.  We have Nahas, Nason, King, Roberts and Gilligan which numbers-wise is plenty but in reality only Nahas and Nason have shown anything and not enough yet to say either are a permanent solution.  If Hicks is as good as the football department think then he should very well be capable of helping us win our next flag and I even think that there is a place for both him (if he's any good) and Nason because Nason shows enough potential to be more of a running midfielder anyway.

[Ramps]

I dont mind Nason as a player, can see him being more a team player than the rest of the small guys I named.

[Judge Roughneck]

Dea is the youngest footballer on the Richmond list. He had the build of a Greek god, for his age. You would give him a few pre seasons to come good before thinking about moving him on.  Hardwicks 4th pick.

Hicks is very small but crazy fast. 2nd youngest player on rfc list. He is going ok at coburg and seems to be smooth.

Rance & Post are both 20 year of age.

White should be keep cause only pass from 05 draft

relton Roberts should be given another chance. Has lots of upside

Moore at 26 and 3 month is more mid than late 20s.

The drafts comming up will be weak due to the new teams. I doubt you will have many options better than nahas, thursfield, jackson long term. We have had our chance get get our list together.

Give foley 2011 season before saying he gone




 * why did you not include westhoff ?