2010 Draft Discussion thread [merged]

[TigerLand]

We just simply must get Atley, trade something and pick 8 to West Coast for Pick 4.

Atley is seriously one of the best young players I've ever seen. The amount of ability that has gone under the radar is ridiculous. The kid should be going number 1 IMO, he has enormous talent.

[TigerLand]

Players with protential are watched long before the championships FACT. They are watched all year round by clubs scouts from all clubs. Clubs have many sources who supply footage & reports back to them all year round & some contineous for several years.
Anyone thinking a footballer is picked off the championships is deluded & knows nothing.
Championship games are a serious hitout to have the players compete against each other & dont affect the draft what so ever.
Clubs let the players they are interested in know the year before thier draft or very early in the year & follow many processes.
There is alot involved when picking a draft & they dont all play championship or TAC 

You know nothing about this system, stop commenting on it.

You know very little of the TAC and drafting systems. 2 years ago this statement would be 100% false, very little scouting is don before U18 level. 75% of players start to show potential between 16 and 18 years old. Bottom age U18 level is first year 17 year old players. You've guessed this completely off the experience you claim to have through your son.

Kurt Tippets first ever competitive Aussie Rules game was in a year 12 match for his school; he played in his Dunlop volleys. He was then drafted to Adelaide 12 months later.

By all reports we saw less than 5% of JON's Under 18 competitive football and drafted him on good mail.

Stop making outlandish statements you have no knowledge about.

[Gordon Bennett]

No Brodie Smith in that Line Up - Smith will be a very very good player IMHO from what I saw.

yeah, but you're the guy who said Melksham and Bastinac weren't worth drafting (after you watched the TAC Cup final last year), so your opinion on the quality of young players is questionable.

rubbish. why do you post untruths?

I liked Melksham and I didnt rate Bastinac

After you watched the final you posted:


"I tuned out very early on. I think they were all a pretty average bunch. Temel is overated. I wouldnt be in a rush to draft anyone from either of these two sides and thats pretty bad considering they were playing of for the grand final. "

"Its all opinion. My opinion is that the game was very very average. I hope players from this game go on and become stars indeed. In good sides yes maybe 3 or 4 will be ok but not 1 player in that game would become a star playing for a bottom club like ours. The players mentioned by GB - I wouldnt be picking inside the first 40 odd picks. As for Temel, wouldnt be picking him inside the first 55 to 60 picks. Just my opinion thats all."

The players I mentioned back then, that you refer to above, were Melksham and Bastinac. You've stated that you wouldn't draft them in the top 40.

You've also stated that you "wouldn't be in a rush to draft anyone one from either of these sides".

Therefore, how can you say that I have posted an untruth?

Listen -  show me one post where I said that Melksham was a dud. Just one.

Your a dishonest poster. All I see is that I said that Temel was overated - And guess what - He didnt get drafted. 

You make dishonest posts left right and centre and pass them of as facts- Find me one post where I said that Melksham was a dud

You said  you wouldn't be in a rush to draft anyone from either of these two sides - isn't that the same thing as saying  that none of them were worth drafting? It is hardly an untruth being told by me. This was in your first post. The 2nd quote I've provided was after I'd taken you to task about Melksham and Bastinac, and then you qualified your earlier statement by saying you wouldn't take them in the first 40.

As for your abuse, I think you're enraged because I've established, by your own posting, that you did say something very similar to what I asserted.

I might just add this - you've been caught out. You said I was telling an untruth, and I caught you out by backing up my statement with  your own words. You didn't expect that, so instead of  being adult enough to say "I made a mistake" you've gone troppo and called me dishonest, a moron, a clown, a delinquent, a scumbag, a dropkick ....all failed  attempts to throw up a smokescreen. Apart from being ridiculously over the top, it was very immature.

By the way, out of all your endearments, "delinquent" was my favourite. I really enjoyed that.


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[Ramps]

No Brodie Smith in that Line Up - Smith will be a very very good player IMHO from what I saw.

yeah, but you're the guy who said Melksham and Bastinac weren't worth drafting (after you watched the TAC Cup final last year), so your opinion on the quality of young players is questionable.

rubbish. why do you post untruths?

I liked Melksham and I didnt rate Bastinac

After you watched the final you posted:


"I tuned out very early on. I think they were all a pretty average bunch. Temel is overated. I wouldnt be in a rush to draft anyone from either of these two sides and thats pretty bad considering they were playing of for the grand final. "

"Its all opinion. My opinion is that the game was very very average. I hope players from this game go on and become stars indeed. In good sides yes maybe 3 or 4 will be ok but not 1 player in that game would become a star playing for a bottom club like ours. The players mentioned by GB - I wouldnt be picking inside the first 40 odd picks. As for Temel, wouldnt be picking him inside the first 55 to 60 picks. Just my opinion thats all."

The players I mentioned back then, that you refer to above, were Melksham and Bastinac. You've stated that you wouldn't draft them in the top 40.

You've also stated that you "wouldn't be in a rush to draft anyone one from either of these sides".

Therefore, how can you say that I have posted an untruth?

Listen  -  show me one post where I said that Melksham was a dud. Just one.

Your a dishonest poster. All I see is that I said that Temel was overated - And guess what - He didnt get drafted. 

P You make dishonest posts left right and centre and pass them of as facts- Find me one post where I said that Melksham was a dud .

You said  you wouldn't be in a rush to draft anyone from either of these two sides - isn't that the same thing as saying  that none of them were worth drafting? It is hardly an untruth being told by me. This was in your first post. The 2nd quote I've provided was after I'd taken you to task about Melksham and Bastinac, and then you qualified your earlier statement by saying you wouldn't take them in the first 40.

As for your abuse, I think you're enraged because I've established, by your own posting, that you did say something very similar to what I asserted.

You havent produced one post where I said that Melksham was no good. You havent even produced a proper quote of mine - properly quoted. All you done is tell us I said something in your own quotes. Youve established  that you make stuff up. Go find one post of mine. You havent found 1 direct quote of mine that you can put up. NOT ONE- Instead youve just claimed that I said something, I can claim the same way you did that you said that Martin was dud, it would be rubbish but at least Im not making stuff up as I go- which Is something your very good at.

As I said - GO FIND ONE POST WHERE I DIRECTLY NAMED AND SAID MELKSHAM WAS NO GOOD!


Edit: namecalling removed

[Tigermonk]

You know nothing about this system, stop commenting on it.

You know very little of the TAC and drafting systems. 2 years ago this statement would be 100% false, very little scouting is don before U18 level. 75% of players start to show potential between 16 and 18 years old. Bottom age U18 level is first year 17 year old players. You've guessed this completely off the experience you claim to have through your son. BIGGEST LOAD OF poo I READ ON THIS FORUM.

Kurt Tippets first ever competitive Aussie Rules game was in a year 12 match for his school; he played in his Dunlop volleys. He was then drafted to Adelaide 12 months later.

By all reports we saw less than 5% of JON's Under 18 competitive football and drafted him on good mail.

Stop making outlandish statements you have no knowledge about.

there are so many people laughing at you stupid
l told you meet me at a game, l will prove once and for all how stupid your comments are  
l will even arrange to have Travis Cloke come along to make you feel at home


to top your statement off you contridicted yourself because you failed to read what l wrote properly
your a nobody who made a fool of yourself on another forum & came here & doing the same.

Your a forum troll who watches TV TAC cup show & your knowledge is that of Terry Wallace   go away you effing nobody

[Infamy]

Form in the championships can certainly affect the way a player is rated and where they are drafted, but it's not everything.
A few players have dropped down the order due to poor championships (Franklin), just as some players have risen up the order (Sidebottom)
That being said, Cotchin had a pretty average championships and still went #2 so if the talent is there they'll still get taken

[Tigermonk]

Form in the championships can certainly affect the way a player is rated and where they are drafted, but it's not everything.
A few players have dropped down the order due to poor championships (Franklin), just as some players have risen up the order (Sidebottom)
That being said, Cotchin had a pretty average championships and still went #2 so if the talent is there they'll still get taken

The media speculate the draft order but thats all it is speculation 
 
How can players go up & down in the draft  explain that

[Gordon Bennett]

You havent produced one post where I said that Melksham was no good. You havent even produced a proper quote of mine - properly quoted. All you done is tell us I said something in your own quotes. Youve established that you make stuff up. Go find one post of mine. You havent found 1 direct quote of mine that you can put up. NOT ONE- Instead youve just claimed that I said something, I can claim the same way you did that you said that Martin was dud, it would be rubbish but at least Im not making stuff up as I go- which Is something your very good at.

As I said - GO FIND ONE POST WHERE I DIRECTLY NAMED AND SAID MELKSHAM WAS NO GOOD!

I don't have to find a post that said Melksham was no good.All I have to do is find a post that supports my original assertion that you didn't think Melksham and Bastinac were worth drafting. I did that. I quoted what you said. I couldn't give a direct quote in this thread because it was posted in a different thread. However, here is the link to it:
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=10142.0

I have found the "one" direct quote. I have put it up. Now you apologise.

I tuned out very early on. I think they were all a pretty average bunch. Temel is overated. I wouldnt be in a rush to draft anyone from either of these two sides and thats pretty bad considering they were playing of for the grand final.

 
  
You say I make stuff up. Now prove that, or you owe me an apology. You've called me all manner of names. I have provided the quote,and  I have supported my assertion with proof. However, I don't think you are man enough to apologise.

http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=10142.15   This link shows the quoted box

[Judge Roughneck]

not really - most of the time in the last 6/7 years there is a clear idea before the draft who the outstanding players are..

ie. November 1st, 2004 Round 1
1.Richmond - Brett Deledio (Mur)
2.Hawthorn - Ryan Griffen (SA)
3.Western Bulldogs - Richard Tambling (NT)
4.Richmond - Lance Franklin (WA)
5.Hawthorn - Jarryd Roughead (Gip)

http://www.footydraft.com/category/2004/2004-footydraftcom-mock-draft/

players go up and down because

a) the players does good thing leading up the draft ie
b) a club makes a strange pick; ie. JON

Form in the championships can certainly affect the way a player is rated and where they are drafted, but it's not everything.
A few players have dropped down the order due to poor championships (Franklin), just as some players have risen up the order (Sidebottom)
That being said, Cotchin had a pretty average championships and still went #2 so if the talent is there they'll still get taken

The media speculate the draft order but thats all it is speculation 
 
How can players go up & down in the draft  explain that

[Ramps]

You havent produced one post where I said that Melksham was no good. You havent even produced a proper quote of mine - properly quoted. All you done is tell us I said something in your own quotes. Youve established that you make stuff up. Go find one post of mine. You havent found 1 direct quote of mine that you can put up. NOT ONE- Instead youve just claimed that I said something, I can claim the same way you did that you said that Martin was dud, it would be rubbish but at least Im not making stuff up as I go- which Is something your very good at.

As I said - GO FIND ONE POST WHERE I DIRECTLY NAMED AND SAID MELKSHAM WAS NO GOOD!

I don't have to find a post that said Melksham was no good.All I have to do is find a post that supports my original assertion that you didn't think Melksham and Bastinac were worth drafting. I did that. I quoted what you said. I couldn't give a direct quote in this thread because it was posted in a different thread. However, here is the link to it:
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=10142.0

I have found the "one" direct quote. I have put it up. Now you apologise.

I tuned out very early on. I think they were all a pretty average bunch. Temel is overated. I wouldnt be in a rush to draft anyone from either of these two sides and thats pretty bad considering they were playing of for the grand final.

 
  
You say I make stuff up. Now prove that, or you owe me an apology. You've called me all manner of names. I have provided the quote,and  I have supported my assertion with proof. However, I don't think you are man enough to apologise.

http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=10142.15   This link shows the quoted box

This thread is enough proof. You cant find 1 post where I said that Melksham was a dud. NOT ONE! And the best part is you use a QUOTE that I said "I tuned out very early on"

LOL


FIND ME A QUOTE WHERE I SAID THAT MELKSHAM WAS A DUD, FIND ME A POST WHERE I SAID HE WAS OVERATED- JUST ONE!  Just like I said it with Temel. BUT YOU CANT FIND IT BECAUSE I NEVER SAID IT! AND THAT GORDY BOY IS THE END OF THE DEBATE- WHY? BECAUSE YOUVE HAD ALL AFTERNOON TO FIND JUST ONE POST- AND YOUVE GOT JACKSHIZEN. ALL YOU GOT IS A QUOTE OF YOURS WHERE YOUR SUPPOSEDLY QUOTING ME LOL. AND A QUOTE WHERE I SAID I TUNED OUT EARLY AND THAT TEMEL WAS OVERATED BY POSTERS PMSL.



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[Tigermonk]

not really - most of the time in the last 6/7 years there is a clear idea before the draft who the outstanding players are..

ie. November 1st, 2004 Round 1
1.Richmond - Brett Deledio (Mur)
2.Hawthorn - Ryan Griffen (SA)
3.Western Bulldogs - Richard Tambling (NT)
4.Richmond - Lance Franklin (WA)
5.Hawthorn - Jarryd Roughead (Gip)

http://www.footydraft.com/category/2004/2004-footydraftcom-mock-draft/

players go up and down because

a) the players does good thing leading up the draft ie
b) a club makes a strange pick; ie. JON

Form in the championships can certainly affect the way a player is rated and where they are drafted, but it's not everything.
A few players have dropped down the order due to poor championships (Franklin), just as some players have risen up the order (Sidebottom)
That being said, Cotchin had a pretty average championships and still went #2 so if the talent is there they'll still get taken

The media speculate the draft order but thats all it is speculation 
 
How can players go up & down in the draft  explain that

You used a thread that is a MOCK DRAFT 

you wanna another go to explain it 

[TigerLand]

You know nothing about this system, stop commenting on it.

You know very little of the TAC and drafting systems. 2 years ago this statement would be 100% false, very little scouting is don before U18 level. 75% of players start to show potential between 16 and 18 years old. Bottom age U18 level is first year 17 year old players. You've guessed this completely off the experience you claim to have through your son. BIGGEST LOAD OF poo I READ ON THIS FORUM.

Kurt Tippets first ever competitive Aussie Rules game was in a year 12 match for his school; he played in his Dunlop volleys. He was then drafted to Adelaide 12 months later.

By all reports we saw less than 5% of JON's Under 18 competitive football and drafted him on good mail.

Stop making outlandish statements you have no knowledge about.

there are so many people laughing at you stupid
l told you meet me at a game, l will prove once and for all how stupid your comments are  
l will even arrange to have Travis Cloke come along to make you feel at home


to top your statement off you contridicted yourself because you failed to read what l wrote properly
your a nobody who made a fool of yourself on another forum & came here & doing the same.

Your a forum troll who watches TV TAC cup show & your knowledge is that of Terry Wallace   go away you effing nobody

You've failed that's not even a response.. try again old man..

[Tigermonk]

You do alot of dodging Popelord, wont be long now

[TigerLand]

You do alot of dodging Popelord, wont be long now

What does that even mean? Lol... Are you at "that" age now?

Anyway I think you've been clearly proven wrong, time and time again, who your almighty pick this year, another John Butcher instead of Martin?

Any thought of responding to the fact Adelaide recruited Tippett in the 3rd round a guy who they hadn't seen play until the U/18 carnivals, squashing your claim that clubs don't draft off the back of the Championships?

Have you got anything right on this forum yet?

[Tigermonk]

You do alot of dodging Popelord, wont be long now

What does that even mean? Lol... Are you at "that" age now?

Anyway I think you've been clearly proven wrong, time and time again, who your almighty pick this year, another John Butcher instead of Martin?

Any thought of responding to the fact Adelaide recruited Tippett in the 3rd round a guy who they hadn't seen play until the U/18 carnivals, squashing your claim that clubs don't draft off the back of the Championships?

Have you got anything right on this forum yet?

your on drugs or something, a clown like you has never proven me wrong.

Comparing Butcher & Martin who are 2 totaly different players & throwing it me as saying l'm wrong proves your a stuffing idiot.
Butcher has not even played yet & may never play. He could be a champion forward & if he is so be it but his not at Richmond where l thought he be good for us.  You only starting talking about Martin after the media named him but you wanna take the credit.
What are you Richmonds talent scout today haha.

Butcher a tall & Martin & midfielder.

And you playing with TAC Eastern Ranges is the best lair on the forum  no more from you idiot

As l said meet me any day,  l prove to you how long l been involved with TAC. can even show you photos of last weekend being with players who will be drafted in the coming draft. Stop being a big nothing liar boy cause thats all you are.

You are the OER forum liar who was hunted off another forum because you were found out  You never put up any info that was your own lol