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Re: One ump had something against us
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2010, 10:57:06 AM »
Let's all get to the G against the eagles and make some noise and see if we can at least get a fair that way and let them know all about it if we dont! :gotigers
or when we dont, pity we cant get a home crowd at the MRP

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Re: One ump had something against us
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2010, 11:18:18 AM »
sometimes l wonder how much umpires are betting on us to keep us down

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Re: One ump had something against us
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2010, 01:13:57 PM »
sometimes l wonder how much umpires are betting on us to keep us down

i think theres a serious issue here. I am going to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I HAVE NO DOUBT that umps have a bet on the result, reckon he had $$$ on the saints by 40+.

Peter Carey back at waverley in the early 90's was paying free kicks for his brother in law Brian Taylor against Spud Frawley so he could get his 2 goals and reach 100. BT had pinged a hammy in the first quarter and Leigh Matthews gave him 1 quarter plonked in the square to get 100. P.Carey obliged.

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Re: One ump had something against us
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2010, 01:28:28 PM »
Very poor umpiring. Why Tuck did not get a free for that tackle in the middle was disgraceful. Grossly negligent. We also appeared not have a back.

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Re: One ump had something against us
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2010, 10:21:38 PM »
Very poor umpiring. Why Tuck did not get a free for that tackle in the middle was disgraceful. Grossly negligent. We also appeared not have a back.

the irony is that it was an almost identical tackle to the one he copped by Sammy Mitchell that cost us the 4 points.

It didnt bother me against the Bombers but this one was a stuffin disgrace. It had nothing to do with the result of the game we still would've lost but are they stuffin blind those pieces of scum
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Re: One ump had something against us
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2010, 09:15:43 AM »
Very poor umpiring. Why Tuck did not get a free for that tackle in the middle was disgraceful. Grossly negligent. We also appeared not have a back.

the irony is that it was an almost identical tackle to the one he copped by Sammy Mitchell that cost us the 4 points.

It didnt bother me against the Bombers but this one was a effin disgrace. It had nothing to do with the result of the game we still would've lost but are they effin blind those pieces of scum
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Re: One ump had something against us
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2010, 11:58:16 AM »
Pack of whingers  8)
Most of the time I never have a problem with umpires. I support my team strongly and I know when's a free and when isn't. I find it quite funny how fans stand up and yell over frees paid or not paid when 95% of the time the decision is correct. Maybe once a month I have a problem with a decision in a Richmond game. The only problem I have is pointless 50m penalties paid because of stupid afl rules but the umpire is just following the rules but the umps should use a bit of common sense sometimes. Why do people look at frees for and against? Is there a rule that these numbers should be even?  ::)

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Re: One ump had something against us
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2010, 03:28:39 PM »
Pack of whingers  8)
Most of the time I never have a problem with umpires. I support my team strongly and I know when's a free and when isn't. I find it quite funny how fans stand up and yell over frees paid or not paid when 95% of the time the decision is correct. Maybe once a month I have a problem with a decision in a Richmond game. The only problem I have is pointless 50m penalties paid because of stupid afl rules but the umpire is just following the rules but the umps should use a bit of common sense sometimes. Why do people look at frees for and against? Is there a rule that these numbers should be even?  ::)
When the weight of incorrect decisions begin to fool the outcome of a game, then it is worth noting.  In this game there were some glaring ones but I still don't think we would of won the game.  There were some Barry Crockers but that first quarter was pretty hard, and Saints defence is tighter than a fishes arse most of the time.
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Re: One ump had something against us
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2010, 07:12:30 PM »
Pack of whingers  8)
Most of the time I never have a problem with umpires. I support my team strongly and I know when's a free and when isn't. I find it quite funny how fans stand up and yell over frees paid or not paid when 95% of the time the decision is correct. Maybe once a month I have a problem with a decision in a Richmond game. The only problem I have is pointless 50m penalties paid because of stupid afl rules but the umpire is just following the rules but the umps should use a bit of common sense sometimes. Why do people look at frees for and against? Is there a rule that these numbers should be even?  ::)

TOTALLY AGREE! :clapping
Most supporters dont know the rules
Sitting there on Friday Night I was "'crindging" when all the Richmond supporters were abusing the umpires, not good at all.
Learn the rules.
Saying that , the free kick the saints got in the goal square was a joke, but you get on with it. We got a brillant run the week before

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Re: One ump had something against us
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2010, 07:33:29 PM »
Pack of whingers  8)
Most of the time I never have a problem with umpires. I support my team strongly and I know when's a free and when isn't. I find it quite funny how fans stand up and yell over frees paid or not paid when 95% of the time the decision is correct. Maybe once a month I have a problem with a decision in a Richmond game. The only problem I have is pointless 50m penalties paid because of stupid afl rules but the umpire is just following the rules but the umps should use a bit of common sense sometimes. Why do people look at frees for and against? Is there a rule that these numbers should be even?  ::)

TOTALLY AGREE! :clapping
Most supporters dont know the rules
Sitting there on Friday Night I was "'crindging" when all the Richmond supporters were abusing the umpires, not good at all.
Learn the rules.
Saying that , the free kick the saints got in the goal square was a joke, but you get on with it. We got a brillant run the week before


yeah the free against Mcguane was crap. Mcguane played well apart from 1 holding the ball. Poor bloke can't take a trick  8)

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Give more prior opportunity to the game's ball-getters (Age)
« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2010, 02:30:48 AM »
Give more opportunity to the game's ball-getters
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IN THE white noise that surrounded the AFL's poaching of Israel Folau, there was something of a consensus that the least virtue a rugby league player might bring to the AFL was his tackling. Tacitly, this was an acknowledgement that as AFL grows more like rugby league (and rugby league more like AFL), tackling has become one of the game's pre-eminent skills. Players pride themselves on their tackle count as they once did kicks and handballs.

Correspondingly, the premium on getting the ball - once the whole purpose - is falling. Every fan can think of an instance in which a player did not dare to take possession of the loose ball, not because of a failing of courage, but because he knew that the moment he did, opponents would fall on him, the crowd would bawl for ''baaaall'', and a free kick against him might ensue.

In life, possession supposedly is nine-tenths of the law. In football, it has become an illegal act.

As football becomes compressed into half the field at a time, no player ever is very far from another, the number of tackles is rising steadily, and so is the conundrum.

This column always has argued the reward for a successful tackle is too high anyway. Tackling is a reaction, not an action, so not always worth a free kick. If a tackle jolts the ball free, that is reward enough. Only if the tackle forces an illegal disposal - a throw, for instance - should a free kick follow. Generally, umpires now recognise this.

The problem now is how little time and scope the ball-winning player is allowed. The governing principle is ''prior opportunity''. Presumably acting to instructions, umpires interpret it narrowly. A half-spin, two steps, one baulk, a sideways glance even: actions lasting merely split seconds, yet all are considered ''prior opportunity''.

Indeed, anything other than moving the ball on the instant it comes into a player's hands is ''prior opportunity''. If then caught, the game is up. In a couple of recent instances, a player has taken on his opponent, been tackled, properly disposed of the ball by hand or foot, but been penalised anyway. This is counterintuitive.

But, petrified of stoppages, the AFL still insists on a breathlessly short interpretation of what constitutes ''prior opportunity''. Few players have the ability to wiggle out of packs like Chris Judd and Gary Ablett, but all ought at least to have the incentive to try. Instead, the growing custom is to move the ball on by pushing, prodding and paddling.

If a player does take possession, is seized and goes to ground, as often as not a macabre pantomime ensues. The umpire circles, and with each split-second that he does not call for a ball-up, it becomes more certain he will pay a free against the player in notional possession.

Usually, more players pile in, opponents seeking to trap the ball under the caught player and make certain of the free kick, teammates hoping to leave the umpire no option but to call for a ball-up. Needing to adapt to survive, players have: mostly, they will nudge the ball loose, only for the same pile-up to recur. It makes for an unedifying spectacle.

Of course, some players have become experts at retaining the ball while feigning to have nothing to do with it. So be it. However rules are framed and interpreted, some will find ways of bending and exploiting them. At the moment, the presumption too often is of guilt, not innocence. Surely it is preferable that the con-artist gets away with it occasionally than the honest player is wrongly punished.

Surely, it is better to err on the side of the ball-getter.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/give-more-opportunity-to-the-games-ballgetters-20100607-xqq0.html

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Re: One ump had something against us
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2010, 07:53:42 AM »
Been a long time since I read a newspaper article I so wholeheartedly agree with.
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Re: One ump had something against us
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2010, 07:59:26 AM »
Pack of whingers  8)
Most of the time I never have a problem with umpires. I support my team strongly and I know when's a free and when isn't. I find it quite funny how fans stand up and yell over frees paid or not paid when 95% of the time the decision is correct. Maybe once a month I have a problem with a decision in a Richmond game. The only problem I have is pointless 50m penalties paid because of stupid afl rules but the umpire is just following the rules but the umps should use a bit of common sense sometimes. Why do people look at frees for and against? Is there a rule that these numbers should be even?  ::)

TOTALLY AGREE! :clapping
Most supporters dont know the rules
Sitting there on Friday Night I was "'crindging" when all the Richmond supporters were abusing the umpires, not good at all.
Learn the rules.
Saying that , the free kick the saints got in the goal square was a joke, but you get on with it. We got a brillant run the week before
Don't tell people to learn the rules you patronising prick, we know the effing rules, we want them applied fairly and consistently across the board.
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Re: One ump had something against us
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2010, 08:25:26 AM »
Pack of whingers  8)
Most of the time I never have a problem with umpires. I support my team strongly and I know when's a free and when isn't. I find it quite funny how fans stand up and yell over frees paid or not paid when 95% of the time the decision is correct. Maybe once a month I have a problem with a decision in a Richmond game. The only problem I have is pointless 50m penalties paid because of stupid afl rules but the umpire is just following the rules but the umps should use a bit of common sense sometimes. Why do people look at frees for and against? Is there a rule that these numbers should be even?  ::)

TOTALLY AGREE! :clapping
Most supporters dont know the rules
Sitting there on Friday Night I was "'crindging" when all the Richmond supporters were abusing the umpires, not good at all.
Learn the rules.
Saying that , the free kick the saints got in the goal square was a joke, but you get on with it. We got a brillant run the week before
Don't tell people to learn the rules you patronising prick, we know the effing rules, we want them applied fairly and consistently across the board.

Apart from calling you a prick Jack, I agree with Owl, I also fail to see what the dream run the week before has to do with it. A bit of consistency every week is all we ask. I dont care about the tally of free kicks during the game, its more about the wheres and the the what fors. Instead of sitting there cringing, stand up and get into it...its good to vent lol :gotigers

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Re: One ump had something against us
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2010, 08:34:31 AM »
ok prick was a bit harsh, how bout, patronising bastard? 
Just watching the replay now and it really was poo and two sets of rules applied depending on  your jumper.  I think it got better after that first quarter though, with the odd glaring crap decision, but that is just normal.
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