Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?

[Francois Jackson]

Scenario-based question for the pro-tankers:

Imagine we are in our current situation (young list, 1st year coach, years of failure etc etc) and we come to the last round.  We sit on the bottom of the ladder but only by percentage to the 2 teams above us.  They have both played and lost and we will jump from 16th to 14th with a win.  We are playing Geelong who need to win to take top spot and Newman takes the mark 50mts out directly in front when the siren sounds with us 5 points down.  Do you want him to kick the goal and consign us to draft pick #8 or miss and get us draft pick #4?

Its a miss for mine unless its the Blues or Pies..lol A wooden spoon dont mean jack poo if you go on to win a flag in the years to come.

Saints win a flag this year you think any Saints supporter is going to care about any spoon they have won in the past.

We need a few more quality players but we are well on track if we keep this up.

[mightytiges]

Watching Coburg today we definitely don't have a heap of quality depth on our list right now .

[RollsRoyce]

Well MT and Stripes, I can see this thread going round and round in circles. You have your opinion, and I have mine, and we'll never convince each other otherwise.
All I'll say is, I just totally abhor the idea of tanking or even wanting the Tigers to legitimately lose just to gain a few rungs up the draft ladder. Drafting has proven time and time again to be such an inexact science that there are plenty of examples of better players being unearthed with a lower pick anyway. But that's not the point. The point is that playing to lose makes sport utterly meaningless. Every time you run out, you should want to win end of story. We can blame the AFL for creating an stuffed scenario, and what makes it even worse is they know damned well that teams have laid down for draft picks, but Demetriou has his head so far up his own sphincter he doesn't even have the guts to admit it.
Either way, I refuse to play his little game, ansd I hope Hardwick and the Tigers refuse to as well. It was great to see the Blues lose Kreuzer for a year after they cheated to steal him from us.Maybe fate hates tankers after all.         

[TigerLand]

IMO

We have 11 games left.

Perfecting the game plan with the future of our club is the highest priority. Putting the best young 22 (Including Tuck and Cousins for leadership) on the park with as many future hopeful premiership players as possible. Playing to win with our best structure to our game plan.

The byproduct from this is developing our future structure with our future game plan. The positives from winning with a young side with our future game plan has more positives in terms of confidence, comradeship,  validation of our game plan and player development, than tactically fielding a weak side and playing players out of position (tanking). The difference between winning with our kids and all the positives for our future out ways throwing all of that out the window for the difference between pick 4 and 8, by miles.

[Judge Roughneck]

Lol @ RR bloodhungry kruiser comment

[mightytiges]

People won't like this but today wasn't a bad loss to have long-term. Jumping up to 11th would've been fools gold. We've been there before so many times to our own detriment. Let North finish mid-ladder and cop the crap draft picks. Belief, structure and faith only takes you so far. You need the class and depth on your list first to make the most of the former when we do eventually climb the ladder. Our list is still in the rebuilding and development stage and a couple of years off from being a genuine finals side. A bottom 2-3 finish this year will give us access to another top classy kid and lower 2nd/3rd round picks we need to improve our list.


Written, spoken and authorised by MT, Pro-tankers party, Melbourne  

[Francois Jackson]

People won't like this but today wasn't a bad loss to have long-term. Jumping up to 11th would've been fools gold. We've been there before so many times to our own detriment. Let North finish mid-ladder and cop the crap draft picks. Belief, structure and faith only takes you so far. You need the class and depth on your list first to make the most of the former when we do eventually climb the ladder. Our list is still in the rebuilding and development stage and a couple of years off from being a genuine finals side. A bottom 2-3 finish this year will give us access to another top classy kid and lower 2nd/3rd round picks we need to improve our list.


Written, spoken and authorised by MT, Pro-tankers party, Melbourne  

i agree 100%

Losses like that are not good though where you had very few players who came to play.

[the_boy_jake]

People won't like this but today wasn't a bad loss to have long-term. Jumping up to 11th would've been fools gold. We've been there before so many times to our own detriment. Let North finish mid-ladder and cop the crap draft picks. Belief, structure and faith only takes you so far. You need the class and depth on your list first to make the most of the former when we do eventually climb the ladder. Our list is still in the rebuilding and development stage and a couple of years off from being a genuine finals side. A bottom 2-3 finish this year will give us access to another top classy kid and lower 2nd/3rd round picks we need to improve our list.


Written, spoken and authorised by MT, Pro-tankers party, Melbourne  

Our run in is pretty tough really.

Collingwood and St Kilda will do us.
Melbourne and Carlton seem to lift when they play us.
Adelaide and Port are the only games I really feel confident about, but Port will have a few players playing for their careers in Rnd 22.

I think we will win 1 or 2.

[cub]

People won't like this but today wasn't a bad loss to have long-term. Jumping up to 11th would've been fools gold. We've been there before so many times to our own detriment. Let North finish mid-ladder and cop the crap draft picks. Belief, structure and faith only takes you so far. You need the class and depth on your list first to make the most of the former when we do eventually climb the ladder. Our list is still in the rebuilding and development stage and a couple of years off from being a genuine finals side. A bottom 2-3 finish this year will give us access to another top classy kid and lower 2nd/3rd round picks we need to improve our list.


Written, spoken and authorised by MT, Pro-tankers party, Melbourne  

True

[mightytiges]

Our run in is pretty tough really.

Collingwood and St Kilda will do us.
Melbourne and Carlton seem to lift when they play us.
Adelaide and Port are the only games I really feel confident about, but Port will have a few players playing for their careers in Rnd 22.

I think we will win 1 or 2.

I agree Jake with 1-2 wins but I rate the Adelaide game harder than Melbourne and especially Carlton as the Blues are in free fall at the moment. We haven't beaten the Crows in years. Only Port is the gimme win for us. Bottom 4 sides travelling interstate in round 22 normally get flogged because there's nothing to play and they don't want to be there.

[TigerLand]

People won't like this but today wasn't a bad loss to have long-term. Jumping up to 11th would've been fools gold. We've been there before so many times to our own detriment. Let North finish mid-ladder and cop the crap draft picks. Belief, structure and faith only takes you so far. You need the class and depth on your list first to make the most of the former when we do eventually climb the ladder. Our list is still in the rebuilding and development stage and a couple of years off from being a genuine finals side. A bottom 2-3 finish this year will give us access to another top classy kid and lower 2nd/3rd round picks we need to improve our list.


Written, spoken and authorised by MT, Pro-tankers party, Melbourne  

I agree.

Our list is better than Essendons, Port and probably WCE.

Beating top 4 sides is great and I'm all for, but a "gutsy' win out of he ordinary in the wet against a bottom 8 team doesn't have much upside long term.

[torch]

TANKING TIME!

[Judge Roughneck]

time to play Hicks, Contin, O'Rielly, Gilligan ...

better to finish 15th than 10th/11th with Cotch/Foley/Jackson already out

[Ox]

i see it like this.

firstly,i agree wholeheartedly with mt.

Secondly

Collingwood and St Kilda will do us.
Melbourne and Carlton we will beat and they will be the type of wins that bring the team closer together (young list beating other young lists on the block)it's almost imperative we do this.
Adelaide and Port we will win one of.

[Ramps]

i see it like this.

firstly,i agree wholeheartedly with mt.

Secondly

Collingwood and St Kilda will do us.
Melbourne and Carlton we will beat and they will be the type of wins that bring the team closer together (young list beating other young lists on the block)it's almost imperative we do this.
Adelaide and Port we will win one of.

I agree with this