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Re: Brad Miller [merged]
« Reply #150 on: November 05, 2010, 04:02:05 PM »
If miller is such a great teacher why have melbourne let him go whb the like of jurrah and watts are still so young?

I would expect they see him as only a player while we are bringing him more in as an additional development coach/player. Teams see different things in different players which is why so many teams pick up other teams discards every year some of which turn out to be great players in a different environment such as Rodan.

So Bents do you think we should use pick 214 on a player that has a tiny percentage to actual see out their first contract or bring in someone who could have a role to play in developing and protecting the talent we already have?

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Re: Brad Miller [merged]
« Reply #151 on: November 05, 2010, 04:08:06 PM »
Then you shouldn't bring the money up in your post. Sorry MT, you've received a bit of my frustration over people complaining about being asked to fund gym equipment and using it to imply the club is strapped for cash and mismanaged. I have seen in other posts and on other forums. Personally regard the idea of asking the members if they want to contribute as a good idea and frees up money for something else.
Fair enough.

I do understand the point you are making above but it is not what I was addressing. I don't understand the role they have in mind for Miller since it is supposedly a bit different. I'm going to wait and see what transpires but I do agree with the idea of the importance of structure in a young team. Look what happened when Griff went down last year, goals were a hell of a lot harder to come by. Griff kicked what ... 2 goals last year? But having him in the forward line allowed Jack a lot more freedom and he was absolutely on fire during the Griff games. What's better for Jack. Learning to dominate or struggling under a double, triple, quadruple team?  
Griffs was our lucky charm this year and does understand forward-line set-ups but Jack still kicked a few bags without Griffs alongside him. IMO when Jack was starved it was more due to our midfield being beaten especially on the spread and our inability to cope with and penetrate the defensive pressure of the opposition and their full-press zonal tactics. We need to add more classier players across all lines.

I see it this way Oiafi. If we cop injuries to key players then we'll stay around or even drop from 15th down to 16th/17th. Yeah it'll be painful to watch for another season but it's hardly something we need to "insure" against. What's the worst thing that could happen? We finish last and gain a free bonus priority pick who'll play and improve our list alongside Jack and Griffs when they return for 2012 and for the next decade. We should have had two priority picks from the past two seasons with some smart forward planning from mid-2009 but that's another story :-X. Anyway for me it's about 2013-14 and beyond and the longer we delay getting games into our youngsters the longer our rebuild will take. IMO Miller if he plays he is a development clogger and if he doesn't then he is a waste of a rookie pick. Either way it's not in our long-term interests.

No they should be accountable but at the beginning of his 2nd year as coach I think we can wait a little to judge Hardwick. His first year was not bad in my opinion. He definitely should not be held accountable for Howat, Humm, Silvester. That's just silly. (I'm not going to argue the merits of those players since it's off topic and not relevant to this discussion).
Although Hardwick will have some say in the (type of) players he wants as senior coach, he's not employed by the Club to be our list manager and long-term strategist. We do have a board director on the football subcommittee (Free) and Head of Footy Dept. (Cameron) who are Dimma's superiors. The days of blaming the senior coach and only the senior coach are gone. Accountability stretches all the way to the top especially when it comes to long-term planning or lack or it regarding list management and recruiting philosophies.
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Re: Brad Miller [merged]
« Reply #152 on: November 05, 2010, 11:07:46 PM »
I've split the Miller discussion from the Training thread to here.

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Re: Brad Miller [merged]
« Reply #153 on: November 06, 2010, 02:06:49 PM »
If miller is such a great teacher why have melbourne let him go whb the like of jurrah and watts are still so young?

bentleigh I totally agree.

a melbourne mate of mine said to me that at melbourne Miller was seen as a list clogger

whilst i dont object to the miller trade, I think a priority should be given to a "younger" player ala Mitch Thorp (though not him) ie. a young fwd in the WAFL, SANFL or VFL that night actually make it in the AFL whilst also providing the famed "backup" to JR8 and Griff

given that Anthony just walked out on the pies...why not pick up Houli in the national draft and anthony in the psd and forget about miller?

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Re: Brad Miller [merged]
« Reply #154 on: November 06, 2010, 02:39:48 PM »
If miller is such a great teacher why have melbourne let him go whb the like of jurrah and watts are still so young?

bentleigh I totally agree.

a melbourne mate of mine said to me that at melbourne Miller was seen as a list clogger

whilst i dont object to the miller trade, I think a priority should be given to a "younger" player ala Mitch Thorp (though not him) ie. a young fwd in the WAFL, SANFL or VFL that night actually make it in the AFL whilst also providing the famed "backup" to JR8 and Griff

given that Anthony just walked out on the pies...why not pick up Houli in the national draft and anthony in the psd and forget about miller?

with all due respects to the mighty dees but they didnt have a coleman medalist for miller to buddy up in the front half, ka[ish :shh
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Re: Brad Miller [merged]
« Reply #155 on: November 06, 2010, 03:28:34 PM »
I've split the Miller discussion from the Training thread to here.

Thank Geez for that
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Re: Brad Miller [merged]
« Reply #156 on: November 06, 2010, 04:21:15 PM »
If miller is such a great teacher why have melbourne let him go whb the like of jurrah and watts are still so young?

bentleigh I totally agree.

a melbourne mate of mine said to me that at melbourne Miller was seen as a list clogger

whilst i dont object to the miller trade, I think a priority should be given to a "younger" player ala Mitch Thorp (though not him) ie. a young fwd in the WAFL, SANFL or VFL that night actually make it in the AFL whilst also providing the famed "backup" to JR8 and Griff
Melbourne are actually interested in Thorp as a replacement for Miller and them missing out on Hale.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/demons-look-to-former-hawk-thorp/story-e6frg7mf-1225947504767

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Re: Brad Miller [merged]
« Reply #157 on: November 06, 2010, 04:25:03 PM »
If miller is such a great teacher why have melbourne let him go whb the like of jurrah and watts are still so young?

bentleigh I totally agree.

a melbourne mate of mine said to me that at melbourne Miller was seen as a list clogger

whilst i dont object to the miller trade, I think a priority should be given to a "younger" player ala Mitch Thorp (though not him) ie. a young fwd in the WAFL, SANFL or VFL that night actually make it in the AFL whilst also providing the famed "backup" to JR8 and Griff

given that Anthony just walked out on the pies...why not pick up Houli in the national draft and anthony in the psd and forget about miller?

Sometimes ingrained prejudices or perceptions can cause the 'can't see the wood for the trees' scenario.  Wonder if that's what's happened with Melbourne?

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Re: Brad Miller [merged]
« Reply #158 on: November 06, 2010, 09:54:33 PM »
From Brad Miller's twitter page:

"Great 1st week @ punt rd! Really good bunch of lads. A couple of the young blokes have taught me a lesson on w/rate in the gym!!...SOLID!!"

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Re: Brad Miller [merged]
« Reply #159 on: November 08, 2010, 07:43:19 AM »
sounds reinvigorated.  Pushing the envelope, legacy of Ben Cousins maybe?  Might just be a good coaching all round.
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Re: Brad Miller [merged]
« Reply #160 on: November 08, 2010, 03:29:30 PM »
If Jack Anthony was good enough to "hold the fort" at collingwood until they were ready to updrade him with Dawes, then he's certainly good enough to do the same with us and a better option(and player)than Miller. Its done though, but reiterate this is a silly list management decision.

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« Reply #161 on: November 08, 2010, 03:47:23 PM »
If Jack Anthony was good enough to "hold the fort" at collingwood until they were ready to updrade him with Dawes, then he's certainly good enough to do the same with us and a better option(and player)than Miller. Its done though, but reiterate this is a silly list management decision.

We'll never really know. If the move is successful he will see little game time and the young players will benefit from his off-field leadership and development, neither of which will be obvious to the average supporter. If he sees plenty of game time he will be there because things have turned pear shaped and we need him for insurance which is a neagitive but he may actually perform well onfield.

So the success or failure of his recruitment is always going to be speculative at best imho.

I for one think, given the draft and our list, it is a positive view but I can completely understand why others do not.

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Re: Brad Miller [merged]
« Reply #162 on: November 08, 2010, 05:09:09 PM »
really cant understand why we would opt for Miller now that Anthony is available.

Has the skills as is proven by his 50 goal year a few years back just needs the opportunities.

Would rather neither if the truth be told but if given a choice Anthony for sure. Miller honestly what are we thinking.

Why go for an old has been is beyond me but i guess till we get rid of Cameron that fool mistakes like this will keep popping up.

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Re: Brad Miller [merged]
« Reply #163 on: November 08, 2010, 06:01:19 PM »
as Anthony is a goose of a bloke, thats why they dont want him, and furthermore ,was put on the trade table, clubs didnt want him

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« Reply #164 on: November 08, 2010, 06:24:06 PM »
Anthony is poo

Schulz is better. Actually, Cleve Hughes has just as much talent, he just didn't get the delivery that Anthony did at Collingwood. I'd rather Miller than a softy