Australian Politics thread [merged]

[Tigeritis™©®]

Do some research?
His views on pre marital sex, contraception, abortion etc. Is purely religious conviction.  It wouldn't matter if your a man as far as Christian conviction is concerned its purely the same stance on every issue.
Unlike Islam the Christian message promotes women in very high esteem for anyone that knows the difference between old and vs new covenant dogma.
It sounds to me that labour spin has once again clouded your judgement not unlike those mentally challenged voters who won't vote for him because he wears budgie smugglers or anyone who votes green.

My judgement isn't clouded and I don't think I am a mentally challenged voter - that's a cheap shot and offensive BTW.

Bottomline is he as lied like all pollies do and have. His views on certain things I find staggering and quite frankly he should leave his religous covictions at the front door of parliment house. 

Simple fact is I don't like, him I don't trust him.

You say this:

Ive made up my own mind on religion and politics.

Well guess what so have I.

I do apologise WP.
I never said you were mentally challenged. I said you were clouded like those that are mentally challenged. My apologies, No offence intended.
I'm glad your minds made up.
I for one look not at just the leader of a party but what the party stands for and for this reason I can't ever vote labor. But there is a party (greens) that are far worse than labor and I hope that they fall by the wayside just like the democrats have.

On religious views I think it's important to stand by your religious conviction when standing for your particular electorate. With your particular stance you lay it all on the table and if the voters like it or not they can vote for you or not.
With labor this isn't possible. They just have to choose candidates for pre selection that fits their  constitutional number criteria ie. union, female etc. and then your a puppet of the party with no right to choose or think for yourself.
Oh yeh democracy is alive and well at labor...not!

Which party allowed its members to vote according to their conscience and beliefs regarding gay marriage and which party forced its MPs to vote how its leader and party machine demanded?   


ps. Good to see the PM was in New York so she could meet and discuss issues with Indonesian president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono in person rather than heading to Jakarta as dopey Abbott demanded .

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/not-in-jakarta-the-meeting-tony-abbott-demanded/story-fn59niix-1226482734166

Which party allows its members to cross the floor on any bill?

[mightytiges]

Do some research?
His views on pre marital sex, contraception, abortion etc. Is purely religious conviction.  It wouldn't matter if your a man as far as Christian conviction is concerned its purely the same stance on every issue.
Unlike Islam the Christian message promotes women in very high esteem for anyone that knows the difference between old and vs new covenant dogma.
It sounds to me that labour spin has once again clouded your judgement not unlike those mentally challenged voters who won't vote for him because he wears budgie smugglers or anyone who votes green.

My judgement isn't clouded and I don't think I am a mentally challenged voter - that's a cheap shot and offensive BTW.

Bottomline is he as lied like all pollies do and have. His views on certain things I find staggering and quite frankly he should leave his religous covictions at the front door of parliment house. 

Simple fact is I don't like, him I don't trust him.

You say this:

Ive made up my own mind on religion and politics.

Well guess what so have I.

I do apologise WP.
I never said you were mentally challenged. I said you were clouded like those that are mentally challenged. My apologies, No offence intended.
I'm glad your minds made up.
I for one look not at just the leader of a party but what the party stands for and for this reason I can't ever vote labor. But there is a party (greens) that are far worse than labor and I hope that they fall by the wayside just like the democrats have.

On religious views I think it's important to stand by your religious conviction when standing for your particular electorate. With your particular stance you lay it all on the table and if the voters like it or not they can vote for you or not.
With labor this isn't possible. They just have to choose candidates for pre selection that fits their  constitutional number criteria ie. union, female etc. and then your a puppet of the party with no right to choose or think for yourself.
Oh yeh democracy is alive and well at labor...not!

Which party allowed its members to vote according to their conscience and beliefs regarding gay marriage and which party forced its MPs to vote how its leader and party machine demanded?   


ps. Good to see the PM was in New York so she could meet and discuss issues with Indonesian president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono in person rather than heading to Jakarta as dopey Abbott demanded .

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/not-in-jakarta-the-meeting-tony-abbott-demanded/story-fn59niix-1226482734166

Which party allows its members to cross the floor on any bill?

Not the Libs/Nats as shown by the gay marriage vote. Abbott and the party machine barred any Liberal MP from voting according to their conscience. That's the point!

[1965]

More evidence of the effect of (or lack of) the carbon tax.

The poll in itself is interesting.


Firm revives chemical project
 
Date October 8, 2012 12 

A CHEMICAL company that announced last year it was shelving a $1 billion expansion because of the carbon price - bolstering Coalition claims the scheme would kill investment - now says it is pushing ahead with the project.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/environment/firm-revives-chemical-project-20121007-277d9.html#ixzz28dplvBcL

[dwaino]

Why about the evidence of human contribution to rising (read: marginally increased) CO2ppm levels?



*cough*eocene

[1965]

Another chink in Tony's armour.


Abbott holds firm on wheat deregulation

By chief political correspondent Simon Cullen

Tony Abbott is confident the Coalition will stick with its decision to block Labor's wheat industry deregulation plan despite growing internal divisions over the issue.

A number of Coalition MPs have declared they will either cross the floor or abstain from a vote on legislation that would dismantle the regulator Wheat Exports Australia.

[Coach]

There's a bit of Terry Wallace about this bloke 

His efforts today reminded me of Wallet rocking up to a presser with a basketball. vintage Wallace

[Francois Jackson]

spot on are Tony's thoughts about Slipper and our PM.

what possible reason does Gillard have for supporting such a piece of slime

[WilliamPowell]

spot on are Tony's thoughts about Slipper and our PM.

what possible reason does Gillard have for supporting such a piece of slime

And spot on are the PMs views on Abbott and his sexist views. His wife can say what she likes but his record on certain issues speaks volumes. Said it before will say it again he should keep his religious views at front the door of Parliament House and not use them to broker policy

Bit of pot calling the kettle black today.

[Francois Jackson]

spot on are Tony's thoughts about Slipper and our PM.

what possible reason does Gillard have for supporting such a piece of slime

And spot on are the PMs views on Abbott and his sexist views. His wife can say what she likes but his record on certain issues speaks volumes. Said it before will say it again he should keep his religious views at front the door of Parliament House and not use them to broker policy

Bit of pot calling the kettle black today.

My comment was not about other certain issues it was about that slime bucket and the PM who seems to love his great work.

I can't believe she is even spoken about as a leader these days. Abbott is spot on the whole party should be ashamed of themselves. Have you read the messages?

What an absolute creep of a human being

[WilliamPowell]

My comment was not about other certain issues it was about that slime bucket and the PM who seems to love his great work.

I can't believe she is even spoken about as a leader these days. Abbott is spot on the whole party should be ashamed of themselves. Have you read the messages?

What an absolute creep of a human being

Slipper is a creep, a creep that was endorsed at the last election by the Liberal party. A creep 

Yeah I have read the messages that have been reported and you are right they are disgusting and BTW there is a some irony with people getting up on their high horses over them when I read some of the disprespectful sexist comments posted towards women on things like Twitter and footy forums for that matter but I digress

I still think Abbott proved yersterday he was a hypocrite (have thought it for a long long time actually), he took the moral stand yesterday but over time some of his comments have been just as crude, insensitive and offensive. But that's OK is it?

As I said pot calling kettle black

[1965]

Julia getting world wide attention.


Julia 'badass' Gillard: Slipper resignation just a sidebar

Date  October 10, 2012 - 8:56AM

Prime Minister Julia Gillard: a "badass" champion for women around the world.

"No matter what you think of her politics, there's much to admire in the manner in which Julia Gillard, the prime minister, sets about Tony Abbott, the leader of the opposition."

The Prime Minister's 15-minute speech condemning misogyny and attacking Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's history of comments about abortion, women's roles in the home and their ability to wield authority has impressed political pundits in the US and UK

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/julia-badass-gillard-slipper-resignation-just-a-sidebar-20121010-27c0g.html#ixzz28qVI2qz7

and if you want to want to watch Julia in full flight...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihd7ofrwQX0

[1965]

Amazing insight into the political animal that is Tony Abbott...


How Tony Abbott laboured over choice of party

by: ROSS FITZGERALD AND STEPHEN HOLT
From:The Australian
October 13, 201212:00AM


NEWLY discovered letters that Tony Abbott wrote to his Melbourne-based mentor B.A. "Bob" Santamaria illuminate his inner struggle to decide which major political party to join.

They show that the person we know as a roguish right-winger during his university days and now as a highly combative Opposition Leader could have ended up a Labor MP....


...But which of the major parties was the more suitable?
 
Labor's previous 30 years of hostility to Santamaria weighed against it but Abbott wrote, "our roots and the origins of our political culture are there". But if the ALP was not "dominated" by Santamaria-style ideas, it would succumb to "the grip of the Left or of soulless pragmatists". This was intolerable.
 
However, the Liberal Party was just as problematic. It was "without soul, direction or inspiring leadership", while its members were divided between "surviving trendies and the more or less simple-minded advocates of the free market".
 
The Liberal Party's mixture of "hand-wringing indecision or inappropriate economic Ramboism and perhaps their lack of political professionalism" struck Abbott as a fatal combination.
 
The choice on offer was bleak. "To join either existing party involves holding one's nose," he wrote. "Either way would upset some. But to do nothing dooms us to extinction." For a while, the choice for Abbott seemed to be the ALP. The NSW Labor government led by right-wing stalwart Barrie Unsworth was due to fight an election in March 1988 and this was surely "a window of opportunity" to be exploited.

[Dubstep Dookie]

Julia getting world wide attention.


Julia 'badass' Gillard: Slipper resignation just a sidebar

Date  October 10, 2012 - 8:56AM

Prime Minister Julia Gillard: a "badass" champion for women around the world.

"No matter what you think of her politics, there's much to admire in the manner in which Julia Gillard, the prime minister, sets about Tony Abbott, the leader of the opposition."

The Prime Minister's 15-minute speech condemning misogyny and attacking Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's history of comments about abortion, women's roles in the home and their ability to wield authority has impressed political pundits in the US and UK

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/julia-badass-gillard-slipper-resignation-just-a-sidebar-20121010-27c0g.html#ixzz28qVI2qz7

and if you want to want to watch Julia in full flight...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihd7ofrwQX0

As much as I dislike both leaders it was great seeing Abbott torn to shreds.

Reckon If enough people (esp women) see that video it could have an impact on the polls

[1965]

Tony caught out with more blatant lies.

This man thinks he can say anything at all.


Doubts on Abbott's tunnel promise
Date October 17, 2012


OPPOSITION Leader Tony Abbott never spoke to the co-ordinator at Infrastructure Australia — or his office — about the controversial east-west tunnel in Melbourne, which a Coalition government would  fund to the tune of $1.5 billion.

Mr Abbott had claimed  he had consulted the authority before announcing his plan.

The revelations have raised questions about how the Coalition would plan and pay for  the project. Public transport user groups said the comments highlight the fact Mr Abbott was a ‘‘road lobbyist’’.

On June 30, Mr Abbott said that a future Coalition government would contribute $4 billion towards major road projects in Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne, saying he had held discussions with state governments and Infrastructure Australia.

In Melbourne, the Coalition promised $1.5 billion for the East-West link with Mr Abbott saying: ‘‘Infrastructure Australia have given me a categoric [sic] assurance that this project stacks up.’’And, ‘‘I explicitly discussed this specific project with Infrastructure Australia before making the announcement.’’

But during a Senate budget hearing in Canberra yesterday, the co-ordinator of Infrastructure Australia, Michael Deegan, said neither he nor his office had ever spoken to Mr Abbott or his office about the project.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/doubts-on-abbotts-tunnel-promise-20121016-27oo3.html#ixzz29UiILup7

[1965]

Well stuff me the carbon tax is reducing carbon emissions.

 

Power pollution plunges
 
Date October 18, 2012

THE carbon tax has helped to drive a sharp fall in the emissions intensity of Australia's power generation as coal-fired stations are closed, moth-balled or sell less electricity.
 
As Victoria's Yallourn brown-coal-fired power station became the latest to announce a production cut, experts said falling demand for electricity, more renewables such as wind farms and solar, and the carbon price were all pushing Australia's coal-fired stations out of the market, making generation cleaner.
 
Electricity sold into the east coast market in the three months since the tax was introduced created on average 7.6 per cent less carbon dioxide for each megawatt hour of power, an analysis of figures compiled by the Australian Energy Market Operator shows.
 
Compared with the same three months last year, the decline in emissions was about 6.3 per cent, after seasonal differences are ironed out.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/power-pollution-plunges-20121017-27rn9.html#ixzz29aNnS1Pa