Australian Politics thread [merged]

[No More]

That is the best result here ramps by a fair margin here ramps  Happy with either TBH and most people would be also, except 65 and WP

Angus,

Would have no problem with Turnbull as PM, very good leader, smart bloke 

Anyone would have to be better that Abbott, who only a few short moths ago you were saying was doing a great job and was proving to be a very good PM.

All he has proved in the last couple of weeks is what so many of us already knew and that he is a complete moron

that says a lot considering his performance has been a massive improvement on the rudd and Gillard governments

[Francois Jackson]

Now Willy your comments about Malcolm are touching but we both know your as far left as the eye can see. 

On our PM i stand by that comment. He is one of the most accomplished ministers to ever grace the halls of Canberera. Its mind boggling how you cant see it William. I am confident you will come around soon.

Yes, his last month has not been great but has anyone died from one his schemes, or maybe i missed the ones that died from the boats. Just curious that's.

I suppose he did knight that greek dude that cost us just as much as those wonderful schemes of the Gillard/Rudd ticket.

[Francois Jackson]

We're definitely seeing a new era in Australian politics. Massive swings (some Qld seats had 22%  ) from election to election are becoming more and more common as the average voter is disenfranchised with the current political system and more than ever less rusted on to any of the major parties. They've also turned off fly-by-night minor parties and independents over the past 12-18 months thanks to Palmer and Lambie. One-term governments could become the norm.

I wish voters would understand that by doing this, all they will achieve is to spook politicians and make them reticent to make the tough but correct calls that may take 2 or more terms to be proven fruitful bc the average dumbarse voter expects immediate results when that sometimes just isn't possible. In time this will breed an even worse type of politician.

Why do people these days expect things to get done with a click of the fingers? Perspective has been lost. It takes time to build or rebuild, you cant do it in one hit!

well said TM good to see someone on here knows what his talking about.

In all honesty changing coaches never worked for the tigers so how can it work in politics. No matter which side of the fence you sit on TM has a point

Since Howard left its been one big circus. I dont remember much of keating also but from what i do he was also one of the smartest and best PM's we have had.

Compare that to what we have now. Shorton i mean really? If his next in line. He too will be gone after one term.

Mal T IMO would be perfect in the role and you would think would last 2 terms. Has friends on both sides but will the liberal party make the call. Who knows

[dwaino]

I don't think there will be a spill until there is a clear candidate otherwise there won't be the numbers to beat Tony27 or if so then we might be in the same position in a few years time. He has to go, no questions. Turnball would be good for Australia I think and given the right people around him he could be a good long term option. I could be biased though because he ticks my boxes

[mightytiges]

A Turnball Bishop ticket would be good. Would keep the socialists out of power for the next 20 years 

The neo-cons and tea party-ists in the LNP see Turnbull as a 'socialist' so that won't work  . Bolt and the guy from the Spectator have already said Turnbull would split the Libs into two simply based on climate change policy. Turnbull has broader appeal but he's hated by many within his own party. As much as Abbott is a moron, getting rid of him won't solve the LNP's problems long-term in any case. They are stuck with a paradox of having too many of their policies too far-right of centre to appeal to the electorate while too many within the Liberal inner sanctum are unwilling to change these policies.

[mightytiges]

We're definitely seeing a new era in Australian politics. Massive swings (some Qld seats had 22%  ) from election to election are becoming more and more common as the average voter is disenfranchised with the current political system and more than ever less rusted on to any of the major parties. They've also turned off fly-by-night minor parties and independents over the past 12-18 months thanks to Palmer and Lambie. One-term governments could become the norm.

I wish voters would understand that by doing this, all they will achieve is to spook politicians and make them reticent to make the tough but correct calls that may take 2 or more terms to be proven fruitful bc the average dumbarse voter expects immediate results when that sometimes just isn't possible. In time this will breed an even worse type of politician.

Why do people these days expect things to get done with a click of the fingers? Perspective has been lost. It takes time to build or rebuild, you cant do it in one hit!

well said TM good to see someone on here knows what his talking about.

In all honesty changing coaches never worked for the tigers so how can it work in politics. No matter which side of the fence you sit on TM has a point

Since Howard left its been one big circus. I dont remember much of keating also but from what i do he was also one of the smartest and best PM's we have had.

Compare that to what we have now. Shorton i mean really? If his next in line. He too will be gone after one term.

Mal T IMO would be perfect in the role and you would think would last 2 terms. Has friends on both sides but will the liberal party make the call. Who knows

I probably sound like a broken record but for me the problem comes back to ignoring the elephant in the room that is constitutional (government) reform. Despite living in a world of instant communication literally at your fingertips, we still have a bloated 3-tier political system of 600 governments Australia-wide with 6000 pollies each on six figure salaries with all their added taxpayer-funded perks, over-generous superannuation and numerous staffers to support each of them. Billions of dollars of taxpayers' money is just wasted propping up a political system designed long ago for a long lost era of horse & carts and telegrams where the tyranny of distance required 3 tiers of government. We no longer need three tiers in this 21st century digital age. It's political and governmental overkill.

What we also have now is our 'leaders' (and I use that term loosely) in politics and big business pointing the finger and attacking the average Aussie in the street demanding them to accept "reform" in terms of cuts and higher taxes while these 'leaders' sit back in 'operation normal' unwilling to reform themselves one iota. Sorry but leadership demands one to lead and the best way to lead in Australia is by example and by bringing the people with you in a conciliatory way. You don't, for example, cry wolf claiming a "budget emergency" and pointing the finger at someone on a low income, if you're a pollie claiming a taxpayer funded "living away allowance" to stay overnight in your own house as the treasurer has done.  It's BS like that has caused the electorate to totally switch off. The people have had enough of the lying hypocrites and their constant flip-flops on major policy.

[Smokey]

I probably sound like a broken record but for me the problem comes back to ignoring the elephant in the room that is constitutional (government) reform. Despite living in a world of instant communication literally at your fingertips, we still have a bloated 3-tier political system of 600 governments Australia-wide with 6000 pollies each on six figure salaries with all their added taxpayer-funded perks, over-generous superannuation and numerous staffers to support each of them. Billions of dollars of taxpayers' money is just wasted propping up a political system designed long ago for a long lost era of horse & carts and telegrams where the tyranny of distance required 3 tiers of government. We no longer need three tiers in this 21st century digital age. It's political and governmental overkill.

What we also have now is our 'leaders' (and I use that term loosely) in politics and big business pointing the finger and attacking the average Aussie in the street demanding them to accept "reform" in terms of cuts and higher taxes while these 'leaders' sit back in 'operation normal' unwilling to reform themselves one iota. Sorry but leadership demands one to lead and the best way to lead in Australia is by example and by bringing the people with you in a conciliatory way. You don't, for example, cry wolf claiming a "budget emergency" and pointing the finger at someone on a low income, if you're a pollie claiming a taxpayer funded "living away allowance" to stay overnight in your own house as the treasurer has done.  It's BS like that has caused the electorate to totally switch off. The people have had enough of the lying hypocrites and their constant flip-flops on major policy.

Couldn't agree more MT, especially regarding the 3 tiers of govt.  And your 2nd point is valid for any pollie or party - they have all become self-invested and so insulated from reality that you get nervous attending the polls to vote from the vast selection of egotistical, lying, immature cretins.

[🏅Dooks]

If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.

Malcolm X

[Diocletian]

The public wants what the public gets.

The Jam

[1965]

Malcolm Turnbull as leader would put Coalition well ahead of Labor, says poll

Poll says Coalition would go from trailing Labor to leading on the two-party vote if Turnbull or Bishop were in charge

Lenore Taylor, political editor

Under Malcolm Turnbull the Coalition would catapult from an election-losing position in the polls to a decisive election-winning lead, according to a new opinion poll that lands as his party’s MPs deliberate on how to vote in Tuesday’s dramatic leadership spill motion.

The Seven News/ReachTEL poll confirmed the Coalition’s current dire position under Tony Abbott’s leadership – with 45% to 55% of the two-party preferred vote.

But when pollsters asked how people would vote if Malcolm Turnbull were prime minister, the Coalition’s position reversed and it lead Labor by 54% to 46% of the two-party preferred vote.

Julie Bishop, the other possible candidate in Tuesday’s ballot would also put the Coalition ahead of Labor if she were prime minister, but by a smaller margin: 51% to 49%.
When forced to choose between Turnbull and Bishop as Liberal leader, 56.5% preferred Turnbull and 43.5% Bishop.

Neither Bishop nor Turnbull have declared whether they will stand if the spill motion to be moved by two West Australian MPs succeeds. The prime minister and his backers are working frantically to ensure the spill motion does not get up.

Of the 3,503 voters polled by telephone last night 62.7% said they thought Tony Abbott was doing a poor, or a very poor job as prime minister; 39.3% thought Bill Shorten was doing a poor or very poor job.


http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/06/malcolm-turnbull-as-leader-would-put-coalition-well-ahead-of-labor-says-poll

[Diocletian]

'65 & the rest of the Shining Path collective now all praying Abbott stays PM....

[1965]

Said it before and I will say it again, I would vote for Turnbull.

I am expecting Turnbull, if he wins the spill, to call an early (double dissolution) election.

...and he will romp it in.

 

[🏅Dooks]

Said it before and I will say it again, I would vote for Turnbull.

I am expecting Turnbull, if he wins the spill, to call an early (double dissolution) election.

...and he will romp it in.

 

Double dissolution over what?

[Diocletian]

Said it before and I will say it again, I would vote for Turnbull.

Sure you would Trotsky....

[1965]

Said it before and I will say it again, I would vote for Turnbull.

Sure you would Trotsky....

 

If the leaders seek only to preserve themselves, that is what they become; preserves, dried preserves.
Leon Trotsky