Official Team for Round 15

[Loui Tufga]

Melbourne is my second club

What is a second team ?  There can be only one !

Spot on Blacky, There can only be one! I am a fourth generation Richmond supporter, my cousin played a few games for the bombers but I can assure you there was never a soft spot not even for a second. My daughter started barracking for Geelong after they won there first premiership, she no longer lives here and finds it very lonely at Xmas time.......Tigers forever!!

[TigerLand]

Can hardly make out what your trying to say with the spelling of a 4 year old. You talk too much for a guy with no sense.

Gourdis played a blinder was rewarded with a senior game and looked horrible. Doesn't always work like that.

We don't have a gun first 22 players that need our reserves to play blinders to take positions off them. We carry our last 10 players picked.

Common sense prevails, drop guys who aren't playing well. We haven't got playing ripping up the VFL to come in. Would you like to play with 16 players instead?

And cut the Coliingwood crap out   l know l have brought it on myself owning a membership, its just to make it easy to enter games with my family.
l hate Collingwood with a passion just like Carlton. The Melbourne membership is carried on for my late father because Melbourne is my second club l follow taking him to games when he was unable to take himself. Same as he was a Richmond member so he could take me to games when the club was powerful & winning premierships in the 60, 70, as a kid growing up it was the greatest thing to see & hear.

Now back to the football topic Lets debate this

Gourdis got rewarded because of continued good form you say, "Oh thats what l was saying" you just contridicted my post. players must play well over a period to be rewarded. Why drop Gourdis for 1 bad game when he is clearly the best defender at Coburg & played several consistant games there for all of us wanting him to be selected.   Let him settle & learn how to play with the senior list. That cannot be achevied on the training track. It can only be done in a game under preasure at that level. l find that de-selection a bit of a shock considering Rewoldt is out of form.

We could use that as a example of Griffiths in for Rewoldt but l wont cause Rewoldt is clearly in our best,  But needs a reminder to get on top of his game. He has no injury as said.  Players who carry bad hips from previous games dont try to outmark 200cm giants who are marking well

Thursfield clearly has no form to be rushed in, We know his coming back from injury & played 1 game at Coburg (?) was he in the Coburg best because l never looked.  He lacks match fitness at any level & it will show by halftime in a AFL game. This is not fair nor should be done to the other players in the squad,  to pick up for a player who will run out of match fitness & be a burden on the rest. Maybe Dimma will manage him through & if so l hope he does lead by example cause someone down the backline need to stand up & help mold a defence.

McGuane clearly needs dropping, His game is riddled with flaws. Shouldnot be recalled till his game is clean. Honestly l dont know where his at.

Defense is where we are losing the games. Send Millar down the back is what l would do. He does have good skills & is strong.  We have forwards in Rewoldt & Vickery so maybe this is the structure to bring in Griffiths. His also been down the backline but l would prefer him in the forward if fit. l got nothing against Griffo if he works & maintains his body. l got nothing against Rewoldt by BTW apart from berating his own teammates when he is clearly not in good form.

The only way for Dimma to fix the defence is to build it himself over the next few years with drafting new KPD,  the type that will mold around our running backmen Deledio who is backing himself  with his ball & carry & confident. Even Newman is making crucial mistakes but the preasure is constantly on him.

Now the other thing is all of us are saying how bad some of these players went on the weekend. None of us have given credit to Melbourne who's team were cocky & came to play football.  

1 other thing you said we dont have a gun 22 players for our reserves to take positions off, Thats a good comment & if thats the case you dont reward players like Thursfield or Griffiths that dont have form by pushing out a player like Gourdis after 1 bad game.

But l'm not the coach or do l know his thinking & its obvious to me he knows what his doing cause he is a premiership player at 2 clubs & been involved in premierships at several clubs but l have faith in him. If Thursfield & Griffiths are in then we will just have to watch & if l'm wrong then l will face my critics. If l'm right l still dont get nothing out of it because my team might lose.

Edited: as the original offending post has been edited, therefore the quote referencing it has been edited as well

I find myself strangely agreeing with you.

Good post

[J Buckthorn]

Next item on the meeting agenda, peace in the middle east 

[Penelope]

miller out for griffiths, as was always going to happen once griffiths was ready. should keep the myopic chicken littles happy, for a while


mcguane and goo out for post and and thursty,

conca and webberly out for king and helbig.

Keeping Miller in the side makes no sense if our most promising KPP is match fit and available. His development comes at the expense of Miller. Miller knows it, BG knows it, Dimma knows it and all would be okay with it. How is that chicken little or are you getting bit chicken little yourself?

not real sure what you are trying to say, but perhaps you have misinterpreted what i was saying.

I'm rapt to see see griffiths replace miller, but i'm glad they waited until they felt he was ready , which is why i tolerated him being in the side for the short term, unlike some.

I get the logic, I don't get this chicken little poo. You say you're happy to see griff in (when ready get that), You're happy enough he replaces miller (still with you at this point) but then make some obscure, smug reference to chicken littlers being kept happy for a few weeks (lost me wtf are YOU talking about)
Bizarre.

The chicken little comment was just a cheap snipe at those constantly calling for miller to be dropped because they cant see past the fact that ability wise he is only an average footballer and see the train of logic in playing him.

They will soon find something else to complain about.

I suppose it wasn't the best analogy in this case. perhaps narrow minded, short sighted, ignorant fools would be more accurate, but that's probably a little too insulting and probably would have led to "snip" ?

[Francois Jackson]

miller out for griffiths, as was always going to happen once griffiths was ready. should keep the myopic chicken littles happy, for a while


mcguane and goo out for post and and thursty,

conca and webberly out for king and helbig.

Keeping Miller in the side makes no sense if our most promising KPP is match fit and available. His development comes at the expense of Miller. Miller knows it, BG knows it, Dimma knows it and all would be okay with it. How is that chicken little or are you getting bit chicken little yourself?

not real sure what you are trying to say, but perhaps you have misinterpreted what i was saying.

I'm rapt to see see griffiths replace miller, but i'm glad they waited until they felt he was ready , which is why i tolerated him being in the side for the short term, unlike some.

I get the logic, I don't get this chicken little poo. You say you're happy to see griff in (when ready get that), You're happy enough he replaces miller (still with you at this point) but then make some obscure, smug reference to chicken littlers being kept happy for a few weeks (lost me wtf are YOU talking about)
Bizarre.

The chicken little comment was just a cheap snipe at those constantly calling for miller to be dropped because they cant see past the fact that ability wise he is only an average footballer and see the train of logic in playing him.

They will soon find something else to complain about.

I suppose it wasn't the best analogy in this case. perhaps narrow minded, short sighted, ignorant fools would be more accurate, but that's probably a little too insulting and probably would have led to "snip" ?

bottom line is each player is given an opportunity to perform before i personally make my decision to keep or get rid off.

Miller, Hislop and Edwards have been given ample opportunity to deliver consistently and havent.

Supporters like me get frustrated when you have a guy like Post and even Tuck sitting in the stands while spuds like these guys get a gig.

How can playing Post be any worse than Miller. We know Miller is finished but we are not 100% sure about Post so why let Coburg destroy another kid even further. He should play out the year at senior level.

[Dice]

Spot on Blacky, There can only be one! I am a fourth generation Richmond supporter, my cousin played a few games for the bombers but I can assure you there was never a soft spot not even for a second. My daughter started barracking for Geelong after they won there first premiership, she no longer lives here and finds it very lonely at Xmas time.......Tigers forever!!

Yeah man !    Ingrained same as you I guess

Funny thing is I despise EVERY Victorian team but don't have that same hatred for interstate teams. Must be all those journeys out to the suburban battlefields as a young fella.

Back on topic... I like the look of our team this week

[WilliamPowell]

Melbourne is my second club

What is a second team ?  There can be only one !

Spot on Blacky, There can only be one! I am a fourth generation Richmond supporter, my cousin played a few games for the bombers but I can assure you there was never a soft spot not even for a second. My daughter started barracking for Geelong after they won there first premiership, she no longer lives here and finds it very lonely at Xmas time.......Tigers forever!!

Nah sorry guys

My late dad played school boy footy for Collingwood at Victoria Park. He was a 2nd generation Pies support. He loved them with a passion. So I keep an eye on them and I will confess last eyar for my Dad I wanted them to win the GF.

But my Dad is a major reason as to why I love the tigers with a passion and have for so long.

My Dad died when I was 7. Ma Powell used to tell the story of how my Dad always said to us that he would never force us to follow the Pies (even though he wanted us too) and he didn't care which team we did end up barrackng for all as long the team we chose we stuck with them them forever because that's what following footy clubs is all about.

I chose the Tigers have been following them for nearly 40 years. Ma Powell used say he my Dad would be proud of my love for the tigers.

So I reckon it isn't a terrible thing out of respect for my wonderful Dad that I keep an eye on his beloved Pies it's the least I can do  

[yellowandback]

mcguane and goo out for post and and thursty,

conca and webberly out for king and helbig.

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Keeping Miller in the side makes no sense if our most promising KPP is match fit and available. His development comes at the expense of Miller. Miller knows it, BG knows it, Dimma knows it and all would be okay with it. How is that chicken little or are you getting bit chicken little yourself?
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not real sure what you are trying to say, but perhaps you have misinterpreted what i was saying.

I'm rapt to see see griffiths replace miller, but i'm glad they waited until they felt he was ready , which is why i tolerated him being in the side for the short term, unlike some.
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I get the logic, I don't get this chicken little poo. You say you're happy to see griff in (when ready get that), You're happy enough he replaces miller (still with you at this point) but then make some obscure, smug reference to chicken littlers being kept happy for a few weeks (lost me wtf are YOU talking about)
Bizarre.

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The chicken little comment was just a cheap snipe at those constantly calling for miller to be dropped because they cant see past the fact that ability wise he is only an average footballer and see the train of logic in playing him.

They will soon find something else to complain about.

I suppose it wasn't the best analogy in this case. perhaps narrow minded, short sighted, ignorant fools would be more accurate, but that's probably a little too insulting and probably would have led to "snip" ?


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No we're getting somewhere! At the very least, millers place in the side is a fair topic to debate. Until a couple of weeks ago, there were arguments  for & against. He is not exactly Trent Cotchin.
So to call people "narrow minded, ignorant, short sighted and foolish" for having a contrary opinion - it is after all, a forum - is at the very least narrow minded and possibly a little short sighted.

[Dice]

Nah sorry guys

My late dad played school boy footy for Collingwood at Victoria Park. He was a 2nd generation Pies support. He loved them with a passion. So I keep an eye on them and I will confess last eyar for my Dad I wanted them to win the GF.

But my Dad is a major reason as to why I love the tigers with a passion and have for so long.

My Dad died when I was 7. Ma Powell used to tell the story of how my Dad always said to us that he would never force us to follow the Pies (even though he wanted us too) and he didn't care which team we did end up barrackng for all as long the team we chose we stuck with them them forever because that's what following footy clubs is all about.

I chose the Tigers have been following them for nearly 40 years. Ma Powell used say he my Dad would be proud of my love for the tigers.

So I reckon it isn't a terrible thing out of respect for my wonderful Dad that I keep an eye on his beloved Pies it's the least I can do  

Fair enough Powelly. I got two young lads and couldn't imagine how tough if it would be for me if they ended up playing AFL for another club. Reckon I'd have a 'second' club one way or the other if that happened

[The Big Richo]

And cut the Coliingwood crap out   l know l have brought it on myself owning a membership, its just to make it easy to enter games with my family.

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

You own a Collingwood membership??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

WTF???

[Penelope]

bottom line is each player is given an opportunity to perform before i personally make my decision to keep or get rid off.

Miller, Hislop and Edwards have been given ample opportunity to deliver consistently and havent.

Supporters like me get frustrated when you have a guy like Post and even Tuck sitting in the stands while spuds like these guys get a gig.

How can playing Post be any worse than Miller. We know Miller is finished but we are not 100% sure about Post so why let Coburg destroy another kid even further. He should play out the year at senior level.

The thing is daniel, we dont know for sure why post is not in favour.

to me it can only be two things.

1: he is either doing something the coaches dont want him to, or he is not doing something the coaches do want him to.

or

2: they just don't like him personally.

Lets for argument sake take a wild guess and say it is the first one.

If you are going to develop him properly, he has to rectify whatever it it is that is keeping him out. playing him for the rest of the season if he does not address whatever the issue is, is hardly the recipe for success, is it?

The decisions being made now are for the long term benefit of the club, not the short term gratification of supporters. those days and the associated years of abysmal failure hopefully are behind us.

If hardwick and co think that the best thing to develop post is to play him at coburg, then so be it. The frustration that you talk of will hopefully be short term pain for long term gain. It may make or break post, but if it breaks him then he was never going to be the player to take us forward anyway - there is much more to being an AFL footballer than raw talent.

The post v miller discussion is a bit of a moot point anyway, as it was really griffiths spot that miller was warming and now he has made way, as was said he would, for big ben. let's just hope the coaches have got their timing right.

[The Big Richo]

Melbourne is my second club

What is a second team ?  There can be only one !

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

There are '2' teams  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

WTF?

[Tigermonk]

Melbourne is my second club

What is a second team ?  There can be only one !

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

There are '2' teams  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

WTF?

If you read my previous posts you will see l explained that

[Judge Roughneck]

Very happy to see the bookends miller/mcgaune playing for coburg.

[Loui Tufga]

So I reckon it isn't a terrible thing out of respect for my wonderful Dad that I keep an eye on his beloved Pies it's the least I can do  

O.K WP, I will give you that one, as long as it's only "one" eye your keeping on them...Nothing else