North, Dogs and Dees regularly are the ones where there's concerns about their long-term survival but the Saints are not far behind. If they are still losing money after playing finals for the best part of the past 8 years and after making the past two Grand Finals then what financial position are they going to be in when they slide down the ladder and are rebuilding again. Their list will be in a shocking state once the older group retires and disappears in the next few years. They have barely any quality youth coming through.