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Re: Shane Edwards interview on RSN (audio and summary)
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2012, 10:05:01 PM »
geez i think it a bit of a myth about ow good the wce press is.

in 2010 they won only 4 games. apart from another 4 games they were in the hunt at 3/4 time only to fall away.in other words they were mostly competetive.

the thing that improved dramatically was turnovers. they could not string a passage of play together in 2010 without making an error. they were easily the most mistake riddled side in the comp by a long long margin. worse than any richmond side in the past.

with their mature players good structure and experience. with some kids stepping up and some ready made recruits  they only needed to fix the turnovers to dramatically improve.

people have no idea how close worsfold came to the chop and rightly so. for me many many wce sides under worsfold including the premiership one of 2006 had way too many turn over merchants. they have always had big bodies good height and a sprinkling  of v/good players that has always seen them be competetive apart from two very short periods.
people should not forget about 14 players are still there from their premiership yr any club that fails as badly as wce did in 2010 with that sort of nucleus has underachieved.

Everyone knew how close he was, before the season started a mate of mine had a crack at his press conference announcing his departure (he thought r13)!

Their press at Etihad against Carlton was effing incredible and a highlight for the year. The applied the press consistently well and as the Ghost says in that interview, it puts pressure on the defensive kick out of d50 or into f50. You cannot have watched many eagles games to post that comment.

Since 2007, they have finished 15,11 and 16th. That is a fair run of so called bad luck, I hope you loaded up on the $20+ they were being offered for a top 4 finish at the start of last year Einstein.
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Re: Shane Edwards interview on RSN (audio and summary)
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2012, 10:28:46 PM »
I think you should agree to stop talking him up as much as you do until the season starts as I have agreed to stop talking him down until the season starts MM.... :thumbsup

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Re: Shane Edwards interview on RSN (audio and summary)
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2012, 11:30:19 PM »
geez i think it a bit of a myth about ow good the wce press is.

in 2010 they won only 4 games. apart from another 4 games they were in the hunt at 3/4 time only to fall away.in other words they were mostly competetive.

the thing that improved dramatically was turnovers. they could not string a passage of play together in 2010 without making an error. they were easily the most mistake riddled side in the comp by a long long margin. worse than any richmond side in the past.

with their mature players good structure and experience. with some kids stepping up and some ready made recruits  they only needed to fix the turnovers to dramatically improve.

people have no idea how close worsfold came to the chop and rightly so. for me many many wce sides under worsfold including the premiership one of 2006 had way too many turn over merchants. they have always had big bodies good height and a sprinkling  of v/good players that has always seen them be competetive apart from two very short periods.
people should not forget about 14 players are still there from their premiership yr any club that fails as badly as wce did in 2010 with that sort of nucleus has underachieved.
Some might argue the Eagles tanked in 2010 and Worsfold was safe as houses with the West Coast Prez and Board in full support :whistle.
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Re: Shane Edwards interview on RSN (audio and summary)
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2012, 11:53:52 PM »
MM: What about your role. Will we see you down behind the ball again or will you elevate yourself further up the ground?

SE: I think maybe a bit of both. Cause there's a lot of rotations now it's hard to be definite. Midfielders, half-forwards and half-backs have the same roles and rotate off their own initiative during games now. It could be a whole lot of roles.
I'd prefer Edwards as a small forward/HFF. Being an inconsistent kick isn't as costly when the kicks are going inside forward 50 to a contest.

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AW: Now I want to talk about the young draftees shortly but who are the players you've seen who ... I want you to name names ... guys who have improved over the summer who are going to take that next step. I don't think there's any doubt your top echelon of players lead by Riewoldt, Deledio, Cotchin and Martin are almost elite already. But who are the next group of guys who are going to take that next step you do you think?

SE: I think Reece Conca has trained really well. He's really fit at the moment. Guys like Dylan Grimes who has come back and is training the house down. Alex Rance has a really good year last year and is leading the way once again. Big Ivan Maric has been really good on the track. He's causing a lot of competitiveness between all the ruckmen. There's a wide spread of players who have improved over the preseason going into the new year in good shape.

MM: What about the young boys - Brandon Ellis selection No.15 - how has he fitted in?

SE: They have all fitted in really well. Brandon, he won our time trial pre-Christmas which is a really good effort for a first year player. He's done really well. Same for Matty Arnot. He's also training well.
Conca, Grimes, Ellis and as well as hopefully Maric doing his job of at least being competitive in the ruck would mean 4 positive additions. Conca and Grimes played last year but Reece had done no preseason while Grimesy didn't play after round 9.

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Derickx is also training well up forward.
I wonder if that's to add more strings to his bow or to be an option for Miller's role.


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AW: So Shane for Richmond fans, what's the messages to the ones thinking about jumping on board this year - is it about aiming high or more about continuing to improve? The reason I ask that question is because it's dangerous to come out at the start of the year and say we expect to make finals. What is the general feeling within the group?

SE: It's more about taking the necessary steps to get to where we want to get to. We know where we are at and are being realistic given we finished 12th last year. What we want to do is take steps to finishing in the top 8 and knocking over a top 4 side as we haven't done that. So we need to be competitive with them. Our best football is good enough; we just need our 'bad' football to be still good which is the case with a lot of the good teams but we are just trying to put things in place with our structures, have players healthy and have a real crack at having a good year.

MM: It's always interesting to ask this question - why is that the case? Is it attitude? Is it effort? We had Michael Firritto and Scott Thompson talking about North Melbourne and how they, in a very similar to you, would get into the Eight. It's all very well talking about it but it's the how you are going to do it. They mentioned about using the ball better with their feet, to make the right decisions and being able to execute that kick. Has there been a consistent message from Damien Hardwick over the summer saying this is the part of the game we must nail for us to make inroads to beat the top 4 teams?

SE: Yeah very similar in you need good footskills and we need to work the ball our of defence well. We haven't been good at that in the past with our transition from the back half. A lot of this year has been about winning the contest ... contested football where we get the ball going our way first. Collingwood are really good at that as is Geelong. So we can set up behind the ball early rather than being on the back foot. Mainly about contested footy and skills this preseason. The added maturity of the group this year will improve having being through the system and what we've put in place the last two years.
Fairly open and honest answer from Shane here. Our contested footy went to pot last year after being near the top in 2010. Clearly Dimma had the side working on more things within the gameplan structure in 2011 compared to just keeping it simple in his first year as coach with such a young list full of newbies to senior footy. This year is about stepping up again tactically while at the same time finding that balance between attack & defence and tight contested footy around stoppages & spreading well to dominate the uncontested footy in space.
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Re: Shane Edwards interview on RSN (audio and summary)
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2012, 10:08:45 PM »
geez i think it a bit of a myth about ow good the wce press is.

in 2010 they won only 4 games. apart from another 4 games they were in the hunt at 3/4 time only to fall away.in other words they were mostly competetive.

the thing that improved dramatically was turnovers. they could not string a passage of play together in 2010 without making an error. they were easily the most mistake riddled side in the comp by a long long margin. worse than any richmond side in the past.

with their mature players good structure and experience. with some kids stepping up and some ready made recruits  they only needed to fix the turnovers to dramatically improve.

people have no idea how close worsfold came to the chop and rightly so. for me many many wce sides under worsfold including the premiership one of 2006 had way too many turn over merchants. they have always had big bodies good height and a sprinkling  of v/good players that has always seen them be competetive apart from two very short periods.
people should not forget about 14 players are still there from their premiership yr any club that fails as badly as wce did in 2010 with that sort of nucleus has underachieved.

Everyone knew how close he was, before the season started a mate of mine had a crack at his press conference announcing his departure (he thought r13)!

Their press at Etihad against Carlton was effing incredible and a highlight for the year. The applied the press consistently well and as the Ghost says in that interview, it puts pressure on the defensive kick out of d50 or into f50. You cannot have watched many eagles games to post that comment.

Since 2007, they have finished 15,11 and 16th. That is a fair run of so called bad luck, I hope you loaded up on the $20+ they were being offered for a top 4 finish at the start of last year Einstein.
all i can say is we will have to agree to disagree.  i backed em to make finals in 09. their preliminary final side that lost to geelong this yr contained just two new faces from the core that played in 09. gaff and darling.
they have had a horror run with injuries including 07 at the wrong time, right thru to 2010.
they basically lost cousins judd, and kerr injuries for 08 thats like us losing cotchin martin and deledio. to add to it the next tier mids copped their fair share of injury including newbies. they played with a very ordinary shallow midfield group for 08 and no wonder they finished where they did.

i thought they would bounce back in 09 and imo they were mostly competetive but injuries and that old bug bear turnovers crucified them again.

like i said we will have to agree to disagree.  ive already said the development of decent game plan ie the press helped  in 2011 but the single biggest improvement with them was the elimination of turnovers which the press helped to a degree. in 2010 they could not string together 3 passes,  unless this area improved they were not going to implement anything no matter how hard they tried or what they implemented.

for the record while hes a premiership coach i dont think worsfold a good coach at all. take that as you will.
in 05 gf they  really  dominated thru midfield but that old bug bear turnovers killed em.
they fell over the line in 06 with a dominant midfield and nearly lost to that bug bear turnovers.
even when near the bottom of the ladder for a brief stint they have always always had good structure and good size. but under worsfold they have been one dimensional and poorly skilled. i dont think he worsfold has ever got the balance right.

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Re: Shane Edwards interview on RSN (audio and summary)
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2012, 10:20:12 PM »
Titch trained well today. There's plenty of pressure on positions atm and I think he knows it.
Will it finally bring out his best. We'll see..

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Re: Shane Edwards interview on RSN (audio and summary)
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2012, 10:41:18 PM »
Titch trained well today. There's plenty of pressure on positions atm and I think he knows it.
Will it finally bring out his best. We'll see..
hhhaaarrrrgggghhhh shank edwards a poor mans fiora.

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Re: Shane Edwards interview on RSN (audio and summary)
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2012, 10:59:00 PM »
hhhaaarrrrgggghhhh shank edwards a poor mans fiora.

One of your dumber comments ever claw. Obviously you don't rate Hardwick as a coach whatsoever if you truly think that.


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Re: Shane Edwards interview on RSN (audio and summary)
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2012, 09:34:23 AM »
Edwards plays nothing like flora, nothing at all, unless you believe flora could win the football in congestion and fire out quick handballs.
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Re: Shane Edwards interview on RSN (audio and summary)
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2012, 10:34:48 PM »
Sing.....Oh what a beuatiful morning....oh what a wonderful day.........lalalala....... :whistle

My self imposed no negative comments about Edwards is killing me.....lalalalala....... :scream :help

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Re: Shane Edwards interview on RSN (audio and summary)
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2012, 11:01:29 PM »
hhhaaarrrrgggghhhh shank edwards a poor mans fiora.

One of your dumber comments ever claw. Obviously you don't rate Hardwick as a coach whatsoever if you truly think that.
haarrggh of course i rate hardwick i just dont rate shank edwards. hardwick could be god almighty himself and not even god could fix edwards weaknesses.

some decent coaches have gone by the wayside at richmond trying to do the impossible with players rather than just cutting them loose. simple put you cant build it if you aint got the tools.

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Re: Shane Edwards interview on RSN (audio and summary)
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2012, 11:15:43 PM »
Sing.....Oh what a beuatiful morning....oh what a wonderful day.........lalalala....... :whistle

My self imposed no negative comments about Edwards is killing me.....lalalalala....... :scream :help

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Edwards is an underated gun, a victim of poor development structures at the club. I have no doubt he is a future Jack Dyer medallist and one of the most deserved ones at that. Without him we will never win a flag. He is our barometer and future leader. A naturally tough footballer who does not deserve the criticism he gets...c'mon WAT fire up!

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Re: Shane Edwards interview on RSN (audio and summary)
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2012, 11:27:48 PM »
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sic 'em, Rex.
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Re: Shane Edwards interview on RSN (audio and summary)
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2012, 11:30:20 PM »
Sing.....Oh what a beuatiful morning....oh what a wonderful day.........lalalala....... :whistle

My self imposed no negative comments about Edwards is killing me.....lalalalala....... :scream :help

 :lol
Edwards is an underated gun, a victim of poor development structures at the club. I have no doubt he is a future Jack Dyer medallist and one of the most deserved ones at that. Without him we will never win a flag. He is our barometer and future leader. A naturally tough footballer who does not deserve the criticism he gets...c'mon WAT fire up!

 :rollin.....I just hate being a man of my word......God though, I hope you comments turn out to be true... ;D
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“We are really excited about what we have brought in. We have got great depth of players that can take us where we need to go. We are just putting some cream on the top at the moment,” he said.

"Rucks:
Shaun Hampson is the No.1 man"

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Re: Shane Edwards interview on RSN (audio and summary)
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2012, 11:54:51 PM »
haarrggh of course i rate hardwick i just dont rate shank edwards. hardwick could be god almighty himself and not even god could fix edwards weaknesses.

some decent coaches have gone by the wayside at richmond trying to do the impossible with players rather than just cutting them loose. simple put you cant build it if you aint got the tools.

Got something in your throat? ;D

You focus on Edwards weaknesses but perhaps his coach sees his strengths and that's why he keeps playing him. ;)

BTW Shane's 2010 season was substantially better than any Fiona ever produced. That's why I said the comment was stupid.
If Edwards falls over this year after a strong pre season(unlike last year), I'll graciously admit you were right about him.
Until then I still have hope he can build on the clear improvement he showed a season back..