"We're not good enough": Hardwick

[Coach]

No worries claw. I know you love the club and you put a lot of effort into your posts.

Point with that post was I don't like someone PMing me and telling me they will follow me all over the forum if I act like a smartass occasionally.

You know how to pick em eh big fella? 

Just got back from seeing your mum Tony

Tambling is playing for Sturt and about to get dropped to the reserves.

Just a correction on that, he was actually named as an emergency for the Crows last week against Geelong

And the reason he has missed games for Sturt was because of injuries including been knocked out twice. Must be something in the water over there

will we rookie Tambling when he gets delisted? 

[tony_montana]

How dare you!  Would love to meet you face to face

[the claw]

okay on those players mentioned
matt white should not ever play another game we should know who we are going to delist by now and if hes not one it would reek of utter incompetence. play mini maric for the rest of the yr and have a damn good look at him and see if hes worth persevering. theres a lot of sheep on here who just follow the pack imo maric has some good tools to work with white has what a bit of pace and nothing else. well know what we are gunna get and its not good enough.

give elton the last 5 games of the yr lets give him the experience

1. You say don't play Matt White because we should know who to delist by now but then say play A. Maric to find out if we should? Double standards for players you like and don't like.

2. Weren't you preaching that Grimes needs to put on weight so he doesn't get injured because his not big enough for KPP? But now you want to risk the development of Elton by playing him as a KPP although he is younger and even more of a stick.

cant elton play as a third tall geez hes already bigger than grimes.
matt white has had 7 yrs and nearly 90 games how many more times do you need to see him. a maric has played 3 or 4 games for us mostly as a sub.  i sure hope you can spot the difference now.
personally id like to see what maric has to offer over the next 5 weeks.he certainly has a better skillset and footy nous than a lot who are there. those two reasons alone says we should have a close look at him at the level. it has nothing to do with favorites and who i like and dont like.

[the claw]

whos pretending nason is his only failure. and i disagree with that notion. nason like all picks are the recruiters failures. you mentioned nason and all i have done is question the expectations we should have on pick 71 in the draft.

i agree with a god bit of your post and disagree with other bits.
i just think we shouldnt be hanging them for not getting pick 71 right or a psd pick or late or rookie picks. you get way more wrong than you get right when you take em so late.

No one is hanging him for one bad draft pick.  Nason was an example of a bad draft choice.  You don't have to look hard to find others.  Recruiting is an example of one Hardwick failure.  Its not the complete picture, just one facet of it.

To suggest Hardwick isn't responsible for the Nason draft pick or recruiting in general is pretty biased or to use your words, naive.  If he isn't filtering any of the selections before they go to the draft, there is something seriously wrong.  The fact that he gave Nason plenty of game time suggests that he was his pick.  Logically, if he didn't want him, there is no way he would have given him so many games.

no they are hanging him for 4 failed late picks to date.
and  cmon unplugged. ben nason was a totally out of left field selection so was jeromey webberley.someone at the club had seen em play and recommended we pick em. we used late picks on them because of the risk that went with them.  now who goes out and watches kids play while hardwick coaches.

he nason got games because he was a mature recruit 20 yo as opposed to 18 and he met the rquired skill standard that was set. can yu remember just how bad the turnovers were not that long ago. you couldnt even put a game plan in place because they couldnt string 3 passes together. good footskills was the mnantra and it still should be when drafting any kid.

one thing for sure we disagree on whos responsible for recruiting and what part the caoch plays in it. lets see hardwick went to sa watched sanfl reserves and decided to draft nason. while he was at it he went to tassie and watched webberley play and said yep we have to have this bloke. sheesh.

as i said i agree with parts of what you have to say but disagree totally with other bits. needless to say on those things we will have to agree to disagree.

hardwick has been there for 3 drafts how anyone can make a definative call on most  of the selections from those 3 drafts is beyond me.

[Mr Magic]

now who goes out and watches kids play while hardwick coaches.

lets see hardwick went to sa watched sanfl reserves and decided to draft nason. while he was at it he went to tassie and watched webberley play and said yep we have to have this bloke. sheesh.

 

[Big Papa Bear]

Hardwick has made a fairly honest self-assessment of the team with regards to his comment but does he actually know why we are not good enough?

He can spin off comments that blokes need to play for the jumper - but I want to know does he actually know what the problem is and what to do to fix it?

Would much rather he come clean and say that we are not fit enough, lack of skill under pressure, no guts etc and he is going to train the crap out of them this week etc

[Darth Tiger]

The problem is simple at Tigerland, the list does not have depth as the 15th to 22nd player picked would not get a game at a top 4 side.

Why McGuane is playing instead of Elton, I do not know and is a mystery.

Jackson, Edwards, King, Nahas, Tuck, A Maric should not be in the side when the Tigers play a final.

Blokes like Grigg, Dea, Moore, Post should be fringe plsyers at best.

Keep the administration stable as there is still a lot of room for improvement at Tigerland on the playing list.

[DCrane]

Ellis.  Pick 15.  Can't kick.  Dea pick 44.  Average player.  Martin Pick 4.  Conca 6.  Should have picked Heppell.

Heppell's good, so is Caddy, there is so much we could have done with that pick. I like Reece's game and where it's going but let's face it he was a shock selection at pick 6. If we wanted him so bad we should have traded for a mid to late teens pick, we would have got him there. I don't know who to blame for this one but it's a blunder. We could have had our Conca and eaten it too but again we erred in the draft.

[DCrane]

Would much rather he come clean and say that we are not fit enough, lack of skill under pressure, no guts etc and he is going to train the crap out of them this week etc

It will not happen. Hardwick is not allowed to flog the players on the track, which is what I thought they deserved a few weeks ago. This is of course at the behest of the fitness staff, the same people who force players like Cotchin to sprint 90 metres to the bench after kicking a goal, even though he is already having a breather at FF. Or rotating gun players to the bench at critical moments. I would rather have an exhausted lactic acid filled Trent Cotchin in the middle than anyone else on the team fresh. Why was Cotchin on the bench vs GCS? Who is calling the shots here? Hardwick needs to take charge here, he has the feel for footy, they don't.

[Big Papa Bear]

Would much rather he come clean and say that we are not fit enough, lack of skill under pressure, no guts etc and he is going to train the crap out of them this week etc

It will not happen. Hardwick is not allowed to flog the players on the track, which is what I thought they deserved a few weeks ago. This is of course at the behest of the fitness staff, the same people who force players like Cotchin to sprint 90 metres to the bench after kicking a goal, even though he is already having a breather at FF. Or rotating gun players to the bench at critical moments. I would rather have an exhausted lactic acid filled Trent Cotchin in the middle than anyone else on the team fresh. Why was Cotchin on the bench vs GCS? Who is calling the shots here? Hardwick needs to take charge here, he has the feel for footy, they don't.

Would much rather he come clean and say that we are not fit enough, lack of skill under pressure, no guts etc and he is going to train the crap out of them this week etc

It will not happen. Hardwick is not allowed to flog the players on the track, which is what I thought they deserved a few weeks ago. This is of course at the behest of the fitness staff, the same people who force players like Cotchin to sprint 90 metres to the bench after kicking a goal, even though he is already having a breather at FF. Or rotating gun players to the bench at critical moments. I would rather have an exhausted lactic acid filled Trent Cotchin in the middle than anyone else on the team fresh. Why was Cotchin on the bench vs GCS? Who is calling the shots here? Hardwick needs to take charge here, he has the feel for footy, they don't.

You maybe right here - a few weeks ago I spoke to a player who said that they were not allowed to do any training on their own like goal kicking etc as it was harmful to their recovery. All there training was planned to the nth degree to maximise their recovery and performance for gameday.

[georgies31]

Well if Dimma says were not good enough why is he playing guys not up to it week in and week out.Maric,McGuane,Moore and Dea.The last 3 weeks all 4 have killed us with there turnovers and skill errors and they keep on getting games.Not one of them in the last 3 games has strung a decent game for us.Play the kids.

[froars]

No argument here!

[Hard Roar Tiger]

Kelvin is spent as an AFL and it smacks of football socialism to play him.

[Penelope]

Recruiters find them but before they are hired/drafted the coach gets the final say

If you don't think Wallace is to  blame for this recruiting mess well i really don't have much to say to that.

FJ was P/T in 2005 alongside Miller but Miller/Wallace were like dumb and dumber. Both pathetic and both the core of our issues today.


As i said FJ shouldnt be judged on the Cotchin/Dusty types but on the Jack R/Vickery/Ellis and Conca types.

Couldn't hurt to give him some more help though

the coach does not have the final say.

Dimma has a fair bit of input in trades but very little in draft selections.

http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=13949.msg256437#msg256437

somehow i doubt that very little imput equates to having the final say.

[Mr Magic]

Well if Dimma says were not good enough why is he playing guys not up to it week in and week out.Maric,McGuane,Moore and Dea.The last 3 weeks all 4 have killed us with there turnovers and skill errors and they keep on getting games.Not one of them in the last 3 games has strung a decent game for us.Play the kids.

Dea is a kid.
Moore is only playing because Astbury has been working back from injury.
Elton will come in for McGuane again likely but he's clearly not ready yet.
Maric getting a game because the cupboard is pretty well bare re small forwards.
Have a look at Coburg, it's very slim pickings.