"We're not good enough": Hardwick

[Coach]

How are Troy Taylor, Ben Nason, Mitch Farmer, Tom Hislop, Dean Macdonald, Heslin, Dan Connors etc going?

[the claw]

Recruiters find them but before they are hired/drafted the coach gets the final say

If you don't think Wallace is to  blame for this recruiting mess well i really don't have much to say to that.

FJ was P/T in 2005 alongside Miller but Miller/Wallace were like dumb and dumber. Both pathetic and both the core of our issues today.


As i said FJ shouldnt be judged on the Cotchin/Dusty types but on the Jack R/Vickery/Ellis and Conca types.

Couldn't hurt to give him some more help though

nope your totally wrong. again a coach may ask for a certain type but the recruiters find them, they the coach  may have a say in who they prefer if it came down to a choice between two players but the final decision comes down to the head recruiter.
if we opeate any other way we are doomed.

wallace obviously had a say in some of our choices but at the end of the day the buck stops with miller jackson and after 07 cameron.

iknow as fact that jon was a jackson pick i also know that jackson was very keen on thomson and hislop as juniors. as the head of recruiting it is not surprising that we ended up with them.

finally you are wrong jackson had the good sense to actually take cotchin and martin in days gone by under beck we would have ended up with a pettifer or some sort. you have to give credit where its due. it may have been a no brainer to take them but at the end of the day you still have to take em. judge him on his overall performance not just one part of his performance. seems to me we have got  very few 2nd and 3rd round picks right under jackson. we havent had a lot of late nd or rookie picks either but they are for all clubs a low hit/miss ratio.

i for one would like to know what people think is a successful draft pick. it seems for most unless they are a 10 yr plus very good player the pick is a failure how stupid is that.

[the claw]

How are Troy Taylor, Ben Nason, Mitch Farmer, Tom Hislop, Dean Macdonald, Heslin, Dan Connors etc going?

taylor 51 a 4th rnd pick how many 4th rounders make it.talent wise was the best kid left risk was his off field behavior.
nason 71 a 5th or 6th ronder how many make it.
farmer was a trade for schulz. at the time schulz was giving nothing yes we lost out on that one as it panned out.
hislop was pick 58 again how many such late picks make it.
macdonald 51 3rd round and a clear risky mistake.
heslin a rookie pick from ireland sheesh how many rookie ics dont make it.
connors pick 58 4th rnd selection. again such a late pick so so many taken here in the entire league fail.

7 players above.  i would have been happy to find one decent player  maybe two seeing as  3 of them were retreads out of those 7 when you consider where they were taken. macdonald and taylor picks are disappointing because we knew they came with attitude.
 that sort of hit and miss ratio is representative of the whole league. im not defending them but just have to ask what do people expect with late picks.

its like people expect every single pick we use to be succesful it doesnt work that way.
if we  use 7 picks you could almost bet 3 will fail. that doesnt just apply to us but every club.i just think we should keep this in mind when we try to judge every single pick.

[Coach]

lol

[the claw]

lol

you do like to insult your fellow posters .
ive taken the time to post my thoughts on where those players are taken in reply to your post.  like so many childish posters around here, we get well a childish response.

if you disagree  thats fine but at least have the decency to say why. responses with emoticons that a 10 yr old would use really dont cut it and are very disrespectful.

a question for you what percentage of  4th 5th 6th rounders  psd and rookie picks do you think we should have success with. the success rate with these picks is very low for all clubs.

if we had 6 pick 60s i would expect only 0ne or maybe two to make it.

[Coach]

You just don't understand

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Naive Claw is pretending Nason was the only dud selection when you know full well that he was used only as an example of Hardwick's incompetence.  Not as a definitive list of his failures.  The really scary thing about the Nason recruiting decision and why I especially highlighted him was nowhere on the Richmond Playing List needs was there a spot for another light framed midget.......

You have to wonder why we hung on to Moore, Gourdis, Hislop, Connors, Miller, etc.

Hardwick has drafted 36 players so far.  How many are contributing at a senior level now.

Ellis.  Pick 15.  Can't kick.  Dea pick 44.  Average player.  Martin Pick 4.  Conca 6.  Should have picked Heppell.

Its really too early to analyse the immensity of Hardwick's draft blunders.  That will wait a couple of years.  But you would expect more than 4 players considering how poorly you rate the list.  Apart from Martin, these other players could be the Jackson's and Edwards of the future.

Claw, if you apply your 7 to 3 principle.  Should be 15 players there.  Where are the other 11?  Maybe could find half a dozen more that might be good for depth.  But lets digress from your fascination with depth, the draft, and previous coaches who delegated everything and had no money, resources or facilities to work with.  Those things can't be changed.

He can't coach on match day and his game plan doesn't work with the list we have.  He is not good enough to take this club forward.  Its a simple but harsh reality.  With Malthouse available, you couldn't possibly continue with Hardwick no more than you could continue with Angus Graham even though he has a year on his contract.

[Coach]

It doesn't take a genius to know I wasn't suggesting all those players should be kicking 8 a week and leading us to a premiership. Read some of the posts before mine. Read something Daniel said.
It's about player development and list management, guy.

I also deleted my post but obviously you quoted it  and started your reply before I deleted it. Point with that post was I don't like someone PMing me and telling me they will follow me all over the forum if I act like a smartass occasionally.

[Smokey]

I think it's the way we play is the issue
No doubt defensively as a team we don't leak down back which now makes us competive on scoreboard

But we did last year.  Isn't that improvement?

[the claw]

Naive Claw is pretending Nason was the only dud selection when you know full well that he was used only as an example of Hardwick's incompetence.  Not as a definitive list of his failures.

whos pretending nason is his only failure. and i disagree with that notion. nason like all picks are the recruiters failures. you mentioned nason and all i have done is question the expectations we should have on pick 71 in the draft.

i agree with a god bit of your post and disagree with other bits.
i just think we shouldnt be hanging them for not getting pick 71 right or a psd pick or late or rookie picks. you get way more wrong than you get right when you take em so late.

[the claw]

It doesn't take a genius to know I wasn't suggesting all those players should be kicking 8 a week and leading us to a premiership. Read some of the posts before mine. Read something Daniel said.
It's about player development and list management, guy.

I also deleted my post but obviously you quoted it  and started your reply before I deleted it. Point with that post was I don't like someone PMing me and telling me they will follow me all over the forum if I act like a smartass occasionally.

didnt think you were suggesting all those players should be kicking 8 each week. i thought you were being derisive and dismissive. if i have misunderstood i apologise believe it or not i dont come on here to get into slanging matches.

i have an opinion on the club and its players and voice those opinions as often as i can. i have no problem with people disagreeing with me but take umbrage if i think people are being derisive.
as i said if people are prepared to show a little respect i sure as hell will give a little respect back.

oh and will delete my post as well.

[Yeahright]

okay on those players mentioned
matt white should not ever play another game we should know who we are going to delist by now and if hes not one it would reek of utter incompetence. play mini maric for the rest of the yr and have a damn good look at him and see if hes worth persevering. theres a lot of sheep on here who just follow the pack imo maric has some good tools to work with white has what a bit of pace and nothing else. well know what we are gunna get and its not good enough.

give elton the last 5 games of the yr lets give him the experience

1. You say don't play Matt White because we should know who to delist by now but then say play A. Maric to find out if we should? Double standards for players you like and don't like.

2. Weren't you preaching that Grimes needs to put on weight so he doesn't get injured because his not big enough for KPP? But now you want to risk the development of Elton by playing him as a KPP although he is younger and even more of a stick.

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whos pretending nason is his only failure. and i disagree with that notion. nason like all picks are the recruiters failures. you mentioned nason and all i have done is question the expectations we should have on pick 71 in the draft.

i agree with a god bit of your post and disagree with other bits.
i just think we shouldnt be hanging them for not getting pick 71 right or a psd pick or late or rookie picks. you get way more wrong than you get right when you take em so late.

No one is hanging him for one bad draft pick.  Nason was an example of a bad draft choice.  You don't have to look hard to find others.  Recruiting is an example of one Hardwick failure.  Its not the complete picture, just one facet of it.

To suggest Hardwick isn't responsible for the Nason draft pick or recruiting in general is pretty biased or to use your words, naive.  If he isn't filtering any of the selections before they go to the draft, there is something seriously wrong.  The fact that he gave Nason plenty of game time suggests that he was his pick.  Logically, if he didn't want him, there is no way he would have given him so many games.

[tony_montana]

Point with that post was I don't like someone PMing me and telling me they will follow me all over the forum if I act like a smartass occasionally.

You know how to pick em eh big fella? 

[WilliamPowell]

Tambling is playing for Sturt and about to get dropped to the reserves.

Just a correction on that, he was actually named as an emergency for the Crows last week against Geelong

And the reason he has missed games for Sturt was because of injuries including been knocked out twice. Must be something in the water over there