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Offline Go Richo 12

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Re: Sack Hardwick
« Reply #1200 on: June 03, 2014, 05:56:52 PM »
SOS was before billion dollar TV rights
Are we not in a ddifferentera bnow?
We are in a different era, one where players get 10 million/ nine year deals, staffing levels that have exploded, stadium deals that rip clubs off. Costs have grown exponentially along with incomes so it is still easy to incur debt. We had to rattle tins to clear our debt not long ago (FTF).
Who was the coach we chased when Dimma got the job but refused our advances because of our history of sacking coaches?

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« Reply #1201 on: June 03, 2014, 06:01:54 PM »
SOS was before billion dollar TV rights
Are we not in a ddifferentera bnow?
We are in a different era, one where players get 10 million/ nine year deals, staffing levels that have exploded, stadium deals that rip clubs off. Costs have grown exponentially along with incomes so it is still easy to incur debt. We had to rattle tins to clear our debt not long ago (FTF).
Who was the coach we chased when Dimma got the job but refused our advances because of our history of sacking coaches?
I think you're thinking of Bomber Thompson rejecting us when we wanted him and were left with Spud Frawley.
Nobody rejected us when Dimma was appointed.  We went through a process and it came down to 2 candidates, Dimma and Hinkley.  We rejected Hinkley....
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Re: Sack Hardwick
« Reply #1202 on: June 03, 2014, 06:02:23 PM »
SOS was before billion dollar TV rights
Are we not in a ddifferentera bnow?
We are in a different era, one where players get 10 million/ nine year deals, staffing levels that have exploded, stadium deals that rip clubs off. Costs have grown exponentially along with incomes so it is still easy to incur debt. We had to rattle tins to clear our debt not long ago (FTF).
Who was the coach we chased when Dimma got the job but refused our advances because of our history of sacking coaches?

No one, dimma was our number 1 pick.

We chased bomber thompson back in 99 or whatever it was   and he rejected us, the only one who wanted to coach us then was Spud. Things have changed now. We're a much better resourced club with a track record of giving coaches ample time to perform than we were even 5 years ago let alone 15

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Re: Sack Hardwick
« Reply #1203 on: June 03, 2014, 06:09:22 PM »
Yeah that's right, thanks.

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« Reply #1204 on: June 03, 2014, 06:48:41 PM »
Afl offered norf 100 million to go to Queensland ...

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Re: Sack Hardwick
« Reply #1205 on: June 03, 2014, 06:53:04 PM »
Afl offered norf 100 million to go to Queensland ...
Well we should take it.....and sack coaches to our heart's content.

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Re: Sack Hardwick
« Reply #1206 on: June 03, 2014, 07:18:40 PM »
These are the conversations we have at RFC every so often because we are hopeless.

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« Reply #1207 on: June 03, 2014, 08:40:51 PM »
That whole 'skata' thing is very repetitive. Think you kids need some new material. :sleep

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« Reply #1208 on: June 03, 2014, 08:42:24 PM »
That whole 'skata' thing is very repetitive. Think you kids need some new material. :sleep
I guess that's why he calls it a cycle... :whistle
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Re: Sack Hardwick
« Reply #1209 on: June 03, 2014, 09:00:24 PM »
That whole 'skata' thing is very repetitive. Think you kids need some new material. :sleep

So has 32 years of failure. Reckon the RFC need to adopt a new philosophy also.
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« Reply #1210 on: June 03, 2014, 09:02:50 PM »
I smell something stinky
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« Reply #1211 on: June 03, 2014, 09:41:16 PM »
Sad thing is, the tigers repeat the same mistakes over and over.  Doesn't matter the coach.  As soon as the pressure is on, they go with a defensive possession style game plan to reduce blowouts, they stick fat to their tried (and failed) senior players, they put next weeks win ahead of future success in an attempt to prolong their appointment, they recruit accordingly, they play injured players and the cycle repeats.

I wanted Hardwick gone three years ago.  At that point you could see that he was not going to deliver anything more than our previous coaches.  He is a terrible match day coach, he doesn't motivate the players, the training is poor, his list management has been poor and the one area you expected him to be strong in, "toughness", he has always been soft on his favorites.

Hinkley had an immediate impact.  Roos had an immediate impact.  You can instantly see their game plan, what they are trying to achieve. The players are well drilled, they demand standards, they make bold recruiting decisions, they show leadership and direction.

The media lambasted the tigers for eating their own for so many years.  But outside of Bartlett, none of the coaches have deserved their tenure at the helm of Richmond.  Northey was the only one of our recent coaches who understood that the game plan should match the strengths of the playing list.  Had he been around for the Fitzroy merger, history might have treated him differently.  He (like Bartlett) was a great motivator.  it doesn't matter if Hardwick has lost the players or not.  They aren't playing for him.

Take away the 15 years wasted on Frawley, Wallace and Hardwick and you could have tried another three or four coaches.  Despite our mediocre administration, we might have accidentally succeeded in picking a decent one.  How could they have extended Hardwicks contract without a finals clause in there?  They need an external perspective because clearly their personal relationships are affecting their objectivity.

There doesn't appear to be much in the way of good coaches available but we could do worse than trying someone like Ling.  The club has never been in a better position off the field in terms of finances, facilities etc. With a strong team around him, he has the credentials to deliver change.   

The cost of keeping Hardwick is mounting up in excess of paying out his contract with each Richmond fan that refuses to go and watch the non competitive football he is putting out. I really hope Benny Gale and co are actively looking at options behind the scenes and not trying to protect their own jobs.  I can forgive them all their mistakes if they deliver this club a decent coach. 

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Re: Sack Hardwick
« Reply #1212 on: June 07, 2014, 10:56:29 PM »
Bet clarkson is sick of hawthorn

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« Reply #1213 on: June 07, 2014, 11:17:15 PM »
Sad thing is, the tigers repeat the same mistakes over and over.  Doesn't matter the coach.  As soon as the pressure is on, they go with a defensive possession style game plan to reduce blowouts, they stick fat to their tried (and failed) senior players, they put next weeks win ahead of future success in an attempt to prolong their appointment, they recruit accordingly, they play injured players and the cycle repeats.

I wanted Hardwick gone three years ago.  At that point you could see that he was not going to deliver anything more than our previous coaches.  He is a terrible match day coach, he doesn't motivate the players, the training is poor, his list management has been poor and the one area you expected him to be strong in, "toughness", he has always been soft on his favorites.

Hinkley had an immediate impact.  Roos had an immediate impact.  You can instantly see their game plan, what they are trying to achieve. The players are well drilled, they demand standards, they make bold recruiting decisions, they show leadership and direction.

The media lambasted the tigers for eating their own for so many years.  But outside of Bartlett, none of the coaches have deserved their tenure at the helm of Richmond.  Northey was the only one of our recent coaches who understood that the game plan should match the strengths of the playing list.  Had he been around for the Fitzroy merger, history might have treated him differently.  He (like Bartlett) was a great motivator.  it doesn't matter if Hardwick has lost the players or not.  They aren't playing for him.

Take away the 15 years wasted on Frawley, Wallace and Hardwick and you could have tried another three or four coaches.  Despite our mediocre administration, we might have accidentally succeeded in picking a decent one.  How could they have extended Hardwicks contract without a finals clause in there?  They need an external perspective because clearly their personal relationships are affecting their objectivity.

There doesn't appear to be much in the way of good coaches available but we could do worse than trying someone like Ling.  The club has never been in a better position off the field in terms of finances, facilities etc. With a strong team around him, he has the credentials to deliver change.   

The cost of keeping Hardwick is mounting up in excess of paying out his contract with each Richmond fan that refuses to go and watch the non competitive football he is putting out. I really hope Benny Gale and co are actively looking at options behind the scenes and not trying to protect their own jobs.  I can forgive them all their mistakes if they deliver this club a decent coach.
i agree with most of that.
on the coaches and sackings.  mate in 2000 everybody bar frawley didnt want the job we couldnt get decent people to come to the club no matter what we did.  we followed that up with wallace and i reckon we showed after wallace that we were prepared to stick with coaches give em time.it was a process we had to go thru to give ourselves a chance of getting good people to the club.
hardwick yrs well id say with the list he started with making finals last yr was an over achievment. i certainly thought it would take 5 yrs to play finals.  how the hell do you sack a bloke who has taken you to finals for the first time in 12 yrs. what we got wrong was give him an extension instead of waiting till his contract got close to an end.

 on melbourne well i reckon they had some talent there and were performing way below what they should have been. i for one thought they would improve a fair bit last yr and it didnt happen. yep roos is a good coach but lets be real here they have won how many games this yr. of course they have improved they couldnt be any worse could they.

me i dont blame the coach. i blame those responsible for the areas they are in charge of.  yeah hardwick has been poor but its other things that have hurt us more imo.

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Re: Sack Hardwick
« Reply #1214 on: June 07, 2014, 11:22:46 PM »
Bet clarkson is sick of hawthorn

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clarkson would fail at richmond because you need well rounded players to implement his style. i dont get it sack the coack and blame him for list management and recruiting and development.  we have people in charge of these areas blame them.

yes i agree hardwick has got plenty wrong he made mistakes game day hes tried a game plan that cant work with the players we have he has been and remains slow to change he perseveres with underperforming players. these thingss and more he deserves criticism for.
for me unless we fix recruitiung and list management we will remain a basket case no matter who the coach is.