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Re: Pick 9 any ideas.
« Reply #360 on: November 18, 2012, 11:21:20 PM »
The pre-draft profiles of JON did mention X-factor  :huh3. Maybe the 'X' was short from cross off your list. I still remember us at training asking Wallace in 2006 why did we draft JON with pick 8. He replied "wait 4 years for him to come good" which then us scratching our heads as why would you draft a project player with a top 10 pick. Top 10 picks should have few deficiencies and be virtually ready to play senior footy from their first year.

Anyway back onto to this draft - I'm wary of drafting anyone from Div. 2 U18s with a top 10 pick. I know we drafted Jack with pick 13 from Tassie back in 2006 but he was at least mentioned as a potential top 10 pick throughout his year in the U18s. Lonergan seems to have only been mentioned as a potential first rounder in the past few weeks. I'm probably also judging him harshly as if he's anything like his uncle Sam  ;D then it's a definite pass.
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« Reply #361 on: November 18, 2012, 11:37:47 PM »
The pre-draft profiles of JON did mention X-factor  :huh3. Maybe the 'X' was short from cross off your list. I still remember us at training asking Wallace in 2006 why did we draft JON with pick 8. He replied "wait 4 years for him to come good" which then us scratching our heads as why would you draft a project player with a top 10 pick. Top 10 picks should have few deficiencies and be virtually ready to play senior footy from their first year.

Anyway back onto to this draft - I'm wary of drafting anyone from Div. 2 U18s with a top 10 pick. I know we drafted Jack with pick 13 from Tassie back in 2006 but he was at least mentioned as a potential top 10 pick throughout his year in the U18s. Lonergan seems to have only been mentioned as a potential first rounder in the past few weeks. I'm probably also judging him harshly as if he's anything like his uncle Sam  ;D then it's a definite pass.

Lonergan seems to have a lot of our supporters on side. I am passing. He came of a knee injury to play 3 games in the championships against the likes of NSW and Qu and NT and got the ball about 15 times a game. I also note that he doesnt seem to kick with his left boot always trying to get back on to his right shoe. I hope the kids a star - especially if he comes to us, but right now there's noway he is a selection 9 in this draft.

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Re: Pick 9 any ideas.
« Reply #362 on: November 19, 2012, 03:21:14 AM »
Ever since the 04.(deledio draft I have taken a keen interest in the draft. I can confirm the 05 draft we were.expected to take burn of Clark. (Based.on phantom drafts)

No one,.or at least very few expected Richmond to take Jon. I don't remebertanuine who had.him top.40. Right royal left.wing royal.deck up of a.selection.

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Re: Pick 9 any ideas.
« Reply #363 on: November 19, 2012, 08:46:33 AM »
Bloody hell Bents, run spell check or don't drink and post or don't post with your iphone or lay off the crack pipe - whichever it is causing that tangled mess of characters and symbols.   :o

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Re: Pick 9 any ideas.
« Reply #364 on: November 19, 2012, 09:03:29 AM »
 :lol
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« Reply #365 on: November 19, 2012, 09:52:18 AM »
iPhone or mangled. Or both  :laugh:

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« Reply #366 on: November 19, 2012, 10:07:29 AM »
 Someone go delete the cookies on his computer and we'll see how long it takes him to type in his password.

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Re: Pick 9 any ideas.
« Reply #367 on: November 19, 2012, 12:50:42 PM »
Thank god I'm not the only one who thought Bent's post required an enigma code machine to decypher. "Burn of Clark" sounds like a horse about to run the straight 6 at Flemington.   :lol

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Re: Pick 9 any ideas.
« Reply #368 on: November 19, 2012, 03:19:42 PM »
The pre-draft profiles of JON did mention X-factor  :huh3. Maybe the 'X' was short from cross off your list. I still remember us at training asking Wallace in 2006 why did we draft JON with pick 8. He replied "wait 4 years for him to come good" which then us scratching our heads as why would you draft a project player with a top 10 pick. Top 10 picks should have few deficiencies and be virtually ready to play senior footy from their first year.

Anyway back onto to this draft - I'm wary of drafting anyone from Div. 2 U18s with a top 10 pick. I know we drafted Jack with pick 13 from Tassie back in 2006 but he was at least mentioned as a potential top 10 pick throughout his year in the U18s. Lonergan seems to have only been mentioned as a potential first rounder in the past few weeks. I'm probably also judging him harshly as if he's anything like his uncle Sam  ;D then it's a definite pass.

Lonergan seems to have a lot of our supporters on side. I am passing. He came of a knee injury to play 3 games in the championships against the likes of NSW and Qu and NT and got the ball about 15 times a game. I also note that he doesnt seem to kick with his left boot always trying to get back on to his right shoe. I hope the kids a star - especially if he comes to us, but right now there's noway he is a selection 9 in this draft.
Word is we are hoping that Lonergan may slip to 32 (a bit like Elton last year who was rated in the media as being between our 1st and 2nd pick but he slipped down to our second pick). I still have the feeling we are already locked in into who we want at pick 9 and that will only change if a club ahead of us pulls a big surprise and selects who we wanted before us. That's been our draft history under FJ.
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Re: Pick 9 any ideas.
« Reply #369 on: November 19, 2012, 03:22:35 PM »
The pre-draft profiles of JON did mention X-factor  :huh3. Maybe the 'X' was short from cross off your list. I still remember us at training asking Wallace in 2006 why did we draft JON with pick 8. He replied "wait 4 years for him to come good" which then us scratching our heads as why would you draft a project player with a top 10 pick. Top 10 picks should have few deficiencies and be virtually ready to play senior footy from their first year.

Anyway back onto to this draft - I'm wary of drafting anyone from Div. 2 U18s with a top 10 pick. I know we drafted Jack with pick 13 from Tassie back in 2006 but he was at least mentioned as a potential top 10 pick throughout his year in the U18s. Lonergan seems to have only been mentioned as a potential first rounder in the past few weeks. I'm probably also judging him harshly as if he's anything like his uncle Sam  ;D then it's a definite pass.

Lonergan seems to have a lot of our supporters on side. I am passing. He came of a knee injury to play 3 games in the championships against the likes of NSW and Qu and NT and got the ball about 15 times a game. I also note that he doesnt seem to kick with his left boot always trying to get back on to his right shoe. I hope the kids a star - especially if he comes to us, but right now there's noway he is a selection 9 in this draft.
Word is we are hoping that Lonergan may slip to 32 (a bit like Elton last year who was rated in the media as being between our 1st and 2nd pick but he slipped down to our second pick). I still have the feeling we are already locked in into who we want at pick 9 and that will only change if a club ahead of us pulls a big surprise and selects who we wanted before us. That's been our draft history under FJ.
Welcome Nick Vlastuin  :clapping  :P

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Re: Pick 9 any ideas.
« Reply #370 on: November 19, 2012, 07:56:48 PM »
From twitter:

@DouglasJarrod - "mail is tigers to take vlastuin at 9 is that close to the mark. Gee I like him he's a hard nut"

@TFoenander - "Spot on. Mail is they always liked him but wanted him to win more of the footy. Had 2 big games (30 and 29 poss) later in yr"

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Nick Vlastuin article ..... (The Age)
« Reply #371 on: November 20, 2012, 03:56:28 PM »
Thrill of the game helps control Nick's hard edge

    Emma Quayle
    The Age
    November 20, 2012



NICK Vlastuin had so much excess energy that he once broke $800 worth of glass in a single year. When he did something naughty his brother and sister used to go into ''time out'' rather than him, so they could get a break from their baby brother. When Vlastuin was 15 months old his mother nicknamed him Tigger, after Winnie the Pooh's bouncy buddy. It helped that he had red hair. ''Doesn't complain when he falls over or is pushed, just bounces up again,'' she wrote at the time. ''Unfortunately, he expects others to do likewise.''

Vlastuin is more subdued these days, around home at least. When he was made captain of the Vic Metro team this year he tried to be the sort of leader who spoke through his actions, and hoped he wasn't asked to make too many speeches. But as a kid he was so hard to control his mother, Cecily, became worried.

After Vlastuin bashed a stick against a door made of safety glass so many times that he smashed it, she went to see a paediatrician, wondering what to do. His suggestion: take the kid to Auskick.

That all happened when Vlastuin was four. Fourteen years later the football field is still where he channels his energy, where he still likes to run around, get dirty and push people over. ''I always liked the competitive side of the game, wrestling kids and roughing them up and getting roughed up,'' he said.

Cecily adds: ''He's been in training since he could walk, really. It's all he ever did, push people over.''

Still, football was not an obvious prescription. Vlastuin's parents grew up in New South Wales, his mother on a farm and his father Chris just north of the Hunter Valley after being born in Dutch New Guinea. Chris' parents moved to Australia after World War II, choosing it ahead of South America, Africa and Canada.

Nick's grandfather, Leedert, had fibbed about his age to get into the Dutch army and, after travelling to Indonesia for some adventure, was there when war broke out. He became caught up in it, surviving a prisoner-of-war camp at Changi and a labour camp at the Burma Railway when many of his good friends did not.

Back home in Holland, he and wife Bep struggled to settle, Bep having seen the war from the European side and Leedert from an Indonesian angle. It was something they never spoke about. The pair married by proxy so she could get into Indonesia, then spent a couple of years there, setting up a shop on water to do island hops but eventually losing a fortune after most of what they had was confiscated by the government and they were kicked out.

Almost the same thing happened in Australia, where they migrated despite speaking no English. Leedert helped an army mate establish a tobacco farm, building the house and the sheds. But he was double-crossed, inadvertently signing everything over to his friend, who took it all then turned the electricity off one Christmas Eve and kicked the family out of their home.

After losing everything for a second time, the Vlastuins moved to Taree on the Mid-North Coast where Leedert got a job at a parquetry flooring company, his adventuring done. He was a hard, tough man, qualities Cecily suspects may have continued on to Nick who, as a footballer, works relentlessly, is resilient and never wants to lose. Curiously, his brother, Tim, joined the army earlier this year. ''I took him to the gym before army training and killed him,'' said Nick, smiling. ''I'm hoping that won't change too quickly. We'll see.''

The Vlastuins found themselves in Melbourne's northern suburbs when Chris got a job transfer, and the game they knew nothing about gave their youngest child an outlet. Before long, the bigger kids wanted Nick in their team and since starting out he has been through the Eltham juniors to the Northern Knights and Metro. He was surprised when asked to be captain, and was almost immediately challenged, with the team unexpectedly dropping its first match to the Northern Territory.

''I had the week off after that game and was sitting home just thinking about it. Being the first captain to lose to a division two team wasn't a good feeling,'' he said.

''I didn't know what had happened and I was annoyed, having waited so long for the nationals, but we came back after that and won the championships, so it worked out all right. It was good. I think that in the long run it helped get me out of my comfort zone. The coaches would call on me a bit and ask me about the games, what we did well and that sort of stuff. It made me think a bit differently.''

Vlastuin is ready to join his new club on Thursday night. That's what happens when you start out so young. He finished school last year, having started when he was four and kept up with the older kids right until the end. For the past few months he has been working as a lifeguard at a local swimming centre, waiting to push people around some more. ''I love the contested side of the game, the contest, the stoppages and all the body-on-body stuff,'' he said. ''It's what I've always loved the most. I can't wait to see what it's like.''


Bring it on: Nick Vlastuin likes a challenge. Photo: Justin McManus

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/thrill-of-the-game-helps-control-nicks-hard-edge-20121119-29m6k.html#ixzz2CjevE5Q7

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Re: Pick 9 any ideas.
« Reply #372 on: November 20, 2012, 04:32:16 PM »
There's two things I hate.

1. People that cannot respect other people's cultures.
2. The Dutch.

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Re: Pick 9 any ideas.
« Reply #373 on: November 20, 2012, 04:39:37 PM »
Thank you Austinn Powers' father  ;D

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From Emma Quayle's live chat today ....

Hi Emma, Great article on Vlastuin today. Do you think he is well and truly locked in at Richmond's pick? or are there a few they'll be considering until Thursday when they make the decision? Would they look at Mayes or Grundy if they slip?

Emma Quayle:
I would say he's fairly safe there. Talking to some people today and they think they could go for Grundy but seems to me they've been into Vlastuin for a long time.


http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/draft-countdown-join-a-live-blog-with-emma-quayle-20121120-29mxs.html#ixzz2CjV8D9Lw

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Re: Pick 9 any ideas.
« Reply #374 on: November 20, 2012, 09:36:03 PM »
From twitter:

Brett Anderson ‏@BrettAndersonIF
"I think Grundy isn't even in the question. Vlastuin or Jaksch. Curveball...what if Wines is there?!"

Kristian Pisano ‏@KristianPisano
"I can't see why Jaksch would be in there. I had Wines sliding to Richmond in my Phantom."

Brett Anderson ‏@BrettAndersonIF
"Just a whisper I heard...On Wines, I'm hearing this could happen."

Kristian Pisano ‏@KristianPisano
"Well if GWS pass Toumpas, Melbourne take Toumpas, it's game on."

And the latest one just posted a couple of minutes ago ....

Brett Anderson ‏@BrettAndersonIF
"Hundreds of phone calls later, here is how it stands: GWS set to take Whitfield, O'Rourke & Plowman in that order. Dees Toumpas. "