Ruckman Needed / Cam Wood and Orren Stephenson training with Richmond

[Loui Tufga]

I think one of pick 29 or 31 will be used on a ruckman. Does anyone have any idea what ruckman might be available at hose picks?

[the claw]

If we don't pick up a ruck and during the trade/free agency period will there be one available in the draft and would we go for one with pick 9???

only ruckman we would take with pick 9 is grundy. only trouble there is he will go to gws with one of picks 1 2 or 3.

i think we can all see the need for a backup mature ruckman for ivan and the need to get a young ruckman  of similar type to maric in our system in preparation for when big ivan is gone in 3 or 4 yrs time.
 easier said than done though. dont think there is a ruckman worth taking at 29 or 31 this yr so a quality long term replacement will have to wait until next yr. but we could target a young ruckman with a late or rookie pick.

ivan  maric -  is 27 hes the only decent combative ruckman we have.
angus graham -  is a hack and really should have been replaced two  or three seasons ago
tom derickx - while recruited as a ruckman has played as a kpp does he even classfy as a ruckman
tyrone vickery - is only a second string ruckman at best hes more a kpp. hes not going to be a front line bash crash ruckman and if you had to liken him to a ruckman it would be josh fraser.

in short our ruck stocks are deplorable and they have been for many yrs.
 we should target a mature ruckman as backup to maric. we can target a well performed state league player or  even a player type like brogan for one yr. he  would suffice or do what brisbane did with hudson. theres your very short term backup we can then target a ruckman with a late nd pick or rookie him.

without a doubt marics long term replacement needs to be in our system asap.one thing for sure we dont have his replacement as yet.

[Mr Magic]

in short our ruck stocks are deplorable and they have been for many yrs.

Not as deplorable as they were, at least we've got a good one now. Let's just hope he stays fit.

[cub]

We either keep goose or chase Giles ! ? ! ? 

[Hellenic Tiger]

In a perfect world.

Chase Giles. Won't be that expensive and for 3 years.

Offer Jako and Nahas.

Stefan Martin is another one we can look at to give Eevan a chop out.

Then we can see who enters the November Draft and Pre Season Draft and get someone on the cheap.

Cameron Wood, Dean Brogan anyone of the names mentioned are better than Gus.

Of course I'm also hoping Nought lose McIntosh to the Cats and they maintain their interst in Gus. That would just complement the win win situation.

[Coach]

Cameron Wood, Dean Brogan better than Gus.

no need to talk up other duds over our duds who are already superior. No more duds. Get someone decent in the draft or don't get anyone at all 

[Gigantor]

Gus lacks in so many areas ,intensity being one .However his window should only now be opening up.We should probably hang onto him for another season or two,as most ruckman dont reach their full potential until their late 20s(freaks of football like Natanui being the exception)....up until now i have been no fan of Gus

[Yeahright]

Cameron Wood, Dean Brogan better than Gus.

no need to talk up other duds over our duds who are already superior. No more duds. Get someone decent in the draft or don't get anyone at all 

I was shocked with that call

[the claw]

Cameron Wood, Dean Brogan better than Gus.

no need to talk up other duds over our duds who are already superior. No more duds. Get someone decent in the draft or don't get anyone at all 

I was shocked with that call

me too. sometimes the only way to improve is get a higher standard of dud.
we have got rid of most of the out and out duds and in a lot of cases replaced them with just duds.
 its time to replace the just duds for something approaching a reasonable afl footballer.

in time we hopefully get rid of the reasonable player with a good player. ah value adding dont ya just love it anything that improves the overall standard of the list and raises the bar has to be a good thing.

[Mr Magic]

Cameron Wood, Dean Brogan better than Gus.

no need to talk up other duds over our duds who are already superior. No more duds. Get someone decent in the draft or don't get anyone at all 

I was shocked with that call

me too. sometimes the only way to improve is get a higher standard of dud.
we have got rid of most of the out and out duds and in a lot of cases replaced them with just duds.
 its time to replace the just duds for something approaching a reasonable afl footballer.

in time we hopefully get rid of the reasonable player with a good player. ah value adding dont ya just love it anything that improves the overall standard of the list and raises the bar has to be a good thing.

Ideal world..

Who is our 2nd ruck? Take your pick claw given availability.

[the claw]

Cameron Wood, Dean Brogan better than Gus.

no need to talk up other duds over our duds who are already superior. No more duds. Get someone decent in the draft or don't get anyone at all 

I was shocked with that call

me too. sometimes the only way to improve is get a higher standard of dud.
we have got rid of most of the out and out duds and in a lot of cases replaced them with just duds.
 its time to replace the just duds for something approaching a reasonable afl footballer.

in time we hopefully get rid of the reasonable player with a good player. ah value adding dont ya just love it anything that improves the overall standard of the list and raises the bar has to be a good thing.

Ideal world..

Who is our 2nd ruck? Take your pick claw given availability.

are you asking who is the pinch hitter on game day or who would be #1 if maric got hurt.

the only viable pinch hitter second ruck we have atm is vickery there is no one else.

if big ivan gets hurt  shudder, well bloody hell it leaves angus freakin graham to play as the #1 man. . imo better to take brogan for a yr or a combative state leaguer.

[Mr Magic]

imo better to take brogan for a yr or a combative state leaguer.

I'm basically saying if you can take any realistically available player in the comp as a backup to Eevan, who do you take?

Brogan, Warnock, Zac C, Seaby??

My sense is that they'll go to 2-2 on the bench next year and that's going to remove the need for specialist tap rucks even further.
Guys like Vickery who can kick a goal and be competitive in the ruck will be like GOLD. For me that's the type we should target. Forward/Ruck.
Changing game..

[Judge Roughneck]

I doubt we will play two ruckman.

A fwd 2nd rckman and allows you the extra mid.

[Dubstep Dookie]

imo better to take brogan for a yr or a combative state leaguer.

I'm basically saying if you can take any realistically available player in the comp as a backup to Eevan, who do you take?

Brogan, Warnock, Zac C, Seaby??

My sense is that they'll go to 2-2 on the bench next year and that's going to remove the need for specialist tap rucks even further.
Guys like Vickery who can kick a goal and be competitive in the ruck will be like GOLD. For me that's the type we should target. Forward/Ruck.
Changing game..

Dare I say Vickery and GRIFFITHS could potentially play this role in the absence of Ivan? 

Do people also think we could play Riewoldt, Vickery and Zac Clarke in the fwd line with Clarke being an effective fwd?

[Francois Jackson]

With Giles gone i would aim for Stefan Martin.

Can play around the ground and will be cheap