Adelaide's alleged salary cap breach saga [merged]

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[Francois Jackson]

the AFL bring this all on themselves. How can they allow a club to participate in the draft, especially if as we all suspect they are guilty as charged.

Delay the draft then until this hearing is over.

What happens if the Crows make the GF or even win the thing. It will be the biggest joke in the history of this game and to be honest one id love to see just to prove they are a bunch of cowboys who have no stuffin idea

Imagine the outcry if it was the Blues and not the Crows. Freddie would've made sure they would not be in the draft.

[Penelope]

you can be pretty sure that if they had banned adelaide from the draft then adelaide would have been in court seeking an injunction quick as a flash.

The AFL already walk a tightrope in terms of restraint of trade with the players, so the last thing they want is a can of worms opened in such a court case.

[Francois Jackson]

you can be pretty sure that if they had banned adelaide from the draft then adelaide would have been in court seeking an injunction quick as a flash.

The AFL already walk a tightrope in terms of restraint of trade with the players, so the last thing they want is a can of worms opened in such a court case.

true obviously innocent until proven guilty, but why not delay the draft then until they receive a fair case with time to prepare.

That would make more sense wouldn't it?

[Penelope]

perhaps, depending on logistics and time frame involved

[WilliamPowell]

you can be pretty sure that if they had banned adelaide from the draft then adelaide would have been in court seeking an injunction quick as a flash.

The AFL already walk a tightrope in terms of restraint of trade with the players, so the last thing they want is a can of worms opened in such a court case.

true obviously innocent until proven guilty, but why not delay the draft then until they receive a fair case with time to prepare.

That would make more sense wouldn't it?

But wouldn't delaying the draft be unfair on the other 17 clubs?

Ever club is in training for 2013, all kids need a full pre-season to get the right conditioning and alot of clubs want to play their new young talent ASAP. So with that in mind delaying the draft would only hurt clubs and the kids who have done nothing wrong

I reckon al, is right the AFL is walking a tightrope and dont want a court battle. The other thing the AFL has done is create a bit of a precedent by allowing Melb to participate because they have yet to finish the tanking investigation which has been going on what 5 months now?. Adelaide would cry foul over that as well. Both investigations should be done dusted and the punishments handed out weeks ago 

Having said I wouldn't have delayed the hearing and I don't believe Adel should be allowed to participate in the first 2 rounds of the draft; ditto Melbourne

But the other thing with Adelaide too is that they only have 1 pick (20) that is really "valuable" in this draft, their other 2 for memory are int he 50's & 60's. So one could argue that punishing them for say the next two drafts after this one will hurt them more as no-one will want to trade with them because pick wise they have nothing to offer and they will have no decent picks to use in the draft. I mean what happens if Adelaide drops down the ladder next year out of the 8 or bottom end of the 8? Means no top 10 draft picks for them = the penalty automatically becomes harsher than losing their first round pick this season   

Finally have to say I agree with Jeff Kennett's comment's in this mornings HUN ...whacketty whack whack went Jeffrey Gibb Kennett 

[Penelope]

you raise some good points about future trading and draft sanctions into the future billy. ditto for melbourne.

I wonder if some of the deals melbourne made were on the premise that they may loose picks in this draft, so better to get something for them at the time rather than lose them altogether?

[Francois Jackson]

you can be pretty sure that if they had banned adelaide from the draft then adelaide would have been in court seeking an injunction quick as a flash.

The AFL already walk a tightrope in terms of restraint of trade with the players, so the last thing they want is a can of worms opened in such a court case.

true obviously innocent until proven guilty, but why not delay the draft then until they receive a fair case with time to prepare.

That would make more sense wouldn't it?

But wouldn't delaying the draft be unfair on the other 17 clubs?

Ever club is in training for 2013, all kids need a full pre-season to get the right conditioning and alot of clubs want to play their new young talent ASAP. So with that in mind delaying the draft would only hurt clubs and the kids who have done nothing wrong

I reckon al, is right the AFL is walking a tightrope and dont want a court battle. The other thing the AFL has done is create a bit of a precedent by allowing Melb to participate because they have yet to finish the tanking investigation which has been going on what 5 months now?. Adelaide would cry foul over that as well. Both investigations should be done dusted and the punishments handed out weeks ago 

Having said I wouldn't have delayed the hearing and I don't believe Adel should be allowed to participate in the first 2 rounds of the draft; ditto Melbourne

But the other thing with Adelaide too is that they only have 1 pick (20) that is really "valuable" in this draft, their other 2 for memory are int he 50's & 60's. So one could argue that punishing them for say the next two drafts after this one will hurt them more as no-one will want to trade with them because pick wise they have nothing to offer and they will have no decent picks to use in the draft. I mean what happens if Adelaide drops down the ladder next year out of the 8 or bottom end of the 8? Means no top 10 draft picks for them = the penalty automatically becomes harsher than losing their first round pick this season   

Finally have to say I agree with Jeff Kennett's comment's in this mornings HUN ...whacketty whack whack went Jeffrey Gibb Kennett 

yeah good point but whats worse for the image and integrity of the game

a few new players starting a few weeks later or the Crows possibly winning the flag.

Agreed pick 20 or whatever they have in this draft doesn't really mean much but IMO it just doesn't feel right. I think it should start later and if found guilty then clubs given compensation.

On the flip side would be a farce if they played off in a GF or worse won it knowing they cheated their way to the top.
It would then be so ill relevant for them what penalty they copped.

[WilliamPowell]

yeah good point but whats worse for the image and integrity of the game

a few new players starting a few weeks later or the Crows possibly winning the flag.

Agreed pick 20 or whatever they have in this draft doesn't really mean much but IMO it just doesn't feel right. I think it should start later and if found guilty then clubs given compensation.

On the flip side would be a farce if they played off in a GF or worse won it knowing they cheated their way to the top.
It would then be so ill relevant for them what penalty they copped.

Agree with you daniel, integrity of the comp should be the most important thing.

But sadly I think the integrity of the competition has been compromised for a long time now. HQs unwillingness to even consider the possibility of tanking existing has proved that.

What's important in this situation IMO is that the penalties be harsher that anything they've dished out before and that there will not be any chance they can be challenged.

As i said I don't think they should be allowed to participate this years draft but thats not going to happen. I'd rather the penalties stick than get thrown out in some court challenge because they AFL stuffed up again

[mightytiges]

Holding off any draft penalties could actually hurt Adelaide more next year. They had a soft draw this year which got them an easy run to the finals. If they slide down the ladder next season then instead of losing pick 20 they could have a top 10 pick in next year's draft taken off them by the AFL. 

[Yeahright]

We got decent picks this year, next year we should have worse picks if things go to plan. Punish Melbourne and Adelaide next year so our worse picks become a little bit better!

[one-eyed]

Adelaide goes before the AFL commission today.

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KURT Tippett is facing half a season out of the game after negotiations with the AFL neared completion on the eve of the commission's special hearing into Adelaide's salary cap misdemeanours.

Tippett is understood to have agreed to settle for a substantial suspension for his part in the draft and salary cap breaches that will also lead to Adelaide being removed from the first two rounds of next year's national draft and fined as much as $300,000.

Tippett is expected to be suspended for 10 to 12 home-and-away games as a result of his plea, subject to approval of the proposed punishment by the AFL Commission on Friday. He is also likely to be fined.

In addition, he is expected to receive a suspended sentence for a similar period of about half a season.

Adelaide's decision to remove itself from the opening rounds of the 2012 national draft appears to have worked in its favour in terms of a penalty, since the AFL had the power to remove it from three or even four drafts. In effect, the penalty is to miss the opening two rounds of consecutive drafts, given the club's pre-emptive action.

Adelaide chief executive Steven Trigg and football manager Phil Harper are also facing suspensions of up to several months.

While the AFL Commission can set its own penalty for the club and its former player, disregarding the recommendations of the league's executive, that is unlikely.

The severity of the penalty, of course, hinges to an extent on where the Crows finish in 2013; if they finish in a lowly ladder position, the loss of an early choice is clearly more punitive, but if they maintain their high ladder spot, it will not be as serious.

The AFL granted Tippett permission to remove himself from Adelaide's list this week and enter the pre-season draft. But he cannot nominate his financial terms until after the penalties have been set.

The commission hearing starts on Friday morning at AFL House and is expected to be concluded within the day, with an announcement of the penalties to follow.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tippett-may-miss-half-a-season-over-cap-breach-20121129-2airb.html#ixzz2Dd5QKkG1

[one-eyed]

The AFL commission has handed down its decision just now.

Tippett rubbed out for the first 11 rounds next year.

Adelaide has been suspended from the first and second rounds of the 2013 draft. No father-sons either and they've been fined $300k.

[WilliamPowell]

The AFL commission has handed down its decision just now.

Tippett rubbed out for the first 11 rounds next year.

Adelaide has been suspended from the first and second rounds of the 2013 draft. No father-sons either and they've been fined $300k.

But Adel can trade players for 1st round draft picks  and they can get 1st round picks issued to them as compo for Free Agency 

Pathetic decision, they've got off very lightly indeed 

Disgraceful 

[one-eyed]

Tippett was also fined $50k which is a pittance compared to what he will be paid at the Swans.

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Adelaide chief executive Steven Trigg and former Crows football manager John Reid were both fined $50,000 and banned from all AFL functions - including matches and training - for 12 months. Six months of both sentence was suspended for five years.

Current football manager Phil Harper was banned from football for six months, with four months of the ban suspended for five years.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/crows-to-present-united-front-at-afl-commission/story-e6frf9jf-1226526986690