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Offline Danog

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #135 on: February 23, 2013, 03:15:52 AM »
Thoughts after NAB 1?

Mine assuming Chaplin and King will be available either in next week or two while Foley and Grimes will miss the early rounds.

B:    Morris         Rance       Batchelor
HB:  Houli         Chaplin       Petterd
C:  Newman      Martin         Ellis
HF:  Knights     Riewoldt    Deledio
F:  S.Edwards   Vickery       King
R:  Maric    Tuck    Cotchin
Int: Grigg, Conca and one of Griffiths/Astbury as another tall.
Sub: Vlastuin
I read that Grimes would hopefully be right for week 3 of NAB Cup, so he'd be a round 1 starter.

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #136 on: February 23, 2013, 03:31:38 AM »
I read that Grimes would hopefully be right for week 3 of NAB Cup, so he'd be a round 1 starter.
Great news if true Danog.
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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #137 on: February 23, 2013, 05:23:45 AM »
What if everyone fit?

Ie. Round 10.

Hypothetical

Thoughts after NAB 1?

Mine assuming Chaplin and King will be available either in next week or two while Foley and Grimes will miss the early rounds.

B:    Morris         Rance       Batchelor
HB:  Houli         Chaplin       Petterd
C:  Newman      Martin         Ellis
HF:  Knights     Riewoldt    Deledio
F:  S.Edwards   Vickery       King
R:  Maric    Tuck    Cotchin
Int: Grigg, Conca and one of Griffiths/Astbury as another tall.
Sub: Vlastuin

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #138 on: February 23, 2013, 05:46:42 AM »
What if everyone fit?

Ie. Round 10.

Hypothetical
That's the thing with say Foley. We don't know when he'll return. So I've stuck to those we know will be available in round 1.
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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #139 on: February 23, 2013, 06:00:47 AM »
We may only be 2 or 3 a grade players away from being a very very decent side indeed. Next national draft is massive for us.

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #140 on: February 23, 2013, 10:54:35 AM »
What if everyone fit?

Ie. Round 10.

Hypothetical
That's the thing with say Foley. We don't know when he'll return. So I've stuck to those we know will be available in round 1.

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #141 on: February 23, 2013, 10:55:38 AM »
We may only be 2 or 3 a grade players away from being a very very decent side indeed. Next national draft is massive for us.

Having arguably the 3 worst players in the AFL still on our list and getting regular games...  :nope

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #142 on: February 23, 2013, 09:41:56 PM »
This year I just hope that Jackson, McGuane and Nahas are well and truly pushed out of the side plus White and Derickx never given the opportunity to come in.

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #143 on: February 23, 2013, 11:59:06 PM »
best 22 to 25 for me is based on  potential and the need to continue to develop because we dont have all the pieces in place.  performance over a sustained period.   the need for good structure and experience. the 25 front runners for me.

b/ morris 185/83/ 21games/ 24yo  - chaplin 195/100/ 140games/27yo -  grimes 193/88/ 17games/21yo.

hb/ batchelor 188/87/ 30 games/21yo - rance 194/96/ 66games/23yo - helbig 185/85/15games/21yo  ellis/houli plus other options. reckon one hbf can be used to develop players.long term mcintosh as a tall running player.

c/ grigg  190/85/86games/24yo - tuck 189/92/162games/31yo - deledio 188/88/172games/25yo

hf/ martin 187/89/63games/22yo - griffiths 200/104/18games/21yo - s edwards 182/83/109games/24yo

f/ vickery 200/97/ 54games/22yo - riewoldt 195/94/112games/24yo - king 178/82/87games/29yo. atm hes there for his defensive qualities, pace and experience.

r/ maric 200/102/98games/27yo - cotchin 185/85/86games/22yo - foley 178/79/120games/ 27yo

int/ newman 183/81/214games/30yo - conca 185/83/35games/20yo - vlastuin 187/86/0 games/19yo - ellis 181/81/21games/19yo

emg/ houli 180/84/70games/24yo - knights 184/84//96games/26yo  these two in fact the last 6 mentioned could feasably be in the starting 18. the experience of these two probably will see them get games in front of some mentioned.

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #144 on: February 24, 2013, 12:30:53 AM »
Not bad but the back half of that side looks too slow to me clawsy.

B: Morris     Chaplin  Grimes
HB: Houli     Rance    Ellis
C:  Deledio   Tuck      Grigg
HF: Martin   Vickery    Conca
F:   King    Riewoldt   SEdwards

R: I Maric Cotchin Foley

IC: Petterd Newman Griffiths S: Vlastuin

Em: Nahas  Batchelor Astbury
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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #145 on: February 24, 2013, 06:57:44 AM »
People keep ignoring the fact that Griff is now a CHB and IMO a potentially great one.

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #146 on: February 24, 2013, 09:41:00 AM »
Griff.
Rance
Chaplin
Grimes

Is a tall back line..

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #147 on: February 24, 2013, 01:32:34 PM »
Might have missed somebody but my 22 would be something like  this

Grimes Chaplin Morris
Pettard Rance Newman
Houli Deledio Ellis
Grigg Vickery Conca
King Riewoldt Edwards
Maric Martin Cotchin
Batchelor Griffiths Tuck & Vlastuin

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #148 on: February 24, 2013, 02:12:42 PM »
People keep ignoring the fact that Griff is now a CHB and IMO a potentially great one.
the griff myth keeps on being perpetuated. when will people start rating him on performance and not potential.
he may play chb but he sure hasnt done anything back there to show he is one.i still firmly believe he should have been developed as a genuine ff.

chaplin -  rance - grimes - mcintosh - astbury  and the rookie darrou are all key backs. or do we ignore the fact the club is developing them there.

in the mean time we have just jack at ff and imo can and should play chf ,  elton who is not ready to play chf  and vickery who is over rated and being asked to perform laughably both the chf role and 2nd ruck role.
just  3 tall forwards being played as forwards and we do nothing to alleviate and fix this problem. the obvious fix to both the second ruck and chf problem is play vickery as a genuine resting ruckman forward and bring in  a bloke who has every single attribute imaginable to play ff thus when ivan has a deserved rest vickery rucks and we keep our structure at all times.

surely this is preferable to playing luke mcguane as a third tall.

the club has regularly got it wrong when it comes to developing talls they continue to stuff it up.
riewoldt was a chf and has become a lazy ff.albeit a good one.
post was a chb and was never ever allowed to settle in one position. we the club imo contributed greatly to his demise. he was literally pulled from pillar to post.
griffiths was touted as the next plugger thats how impressive as a ff he was. yet we refuse to play him forward because he struggled in his early yrs with injury. and need again over rides proper development.
astbury was a very good hit up chf and he played some reasonable games in his first yr as a forward and has never been seen there since. geez a hit up chf.
mcguane was actually a forward but in their wisdom turned him into a very poor defender. hes just ordinary anyway.
rance was a running hb when we drafted him but in their wisdom they plonked him on the last line of defense where his lack of judgment in the air is regularly found wanting.
vickery was the most promising young ruckman behind only natanui yet we hardly play him in the ruck and try to turn him into a chf. placing enormous pressure on maric foregoing a second ruckman and key forward when he actually does go in to the ruck.
they have allowed poor development or attempted to develop talls out of position  because of  poor list management and a dire need to play em out of position. seems they are continually hedging their bets with just about every  young tall they take.

ya know if they look like a key forward act like a key forward have the attributes of a key forward and play like a key forward they likely are a key forward ditto for the backs. yet we constantly refuse to look at the obvious and try to turn em into something they arent.

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Re: What's our best 22 now?
« Reply #149 on: February 24, 2013, 03:19:52 PM »
i dont think we have traditional field positions anymore we have team structure. i know some still get hung up on chf or ff or chb but seriously they dont exist as they did in the past...

What i see on the field is we generally play a 7 man defence and a 5 man forward structure with the rest up around the middle.
so with no injuries:

Our defenders  Morris, Rance, Griffiths, Houli, Grimes, Chaplin and one of Batchelor or Petterd

forwards           Jack, Vickery, Jake and McGuane???need this spot fixed and Edwards

Mids                  Conca, Tuck, Cotch, Delideo, Grigg, Ellis, Vlastuin, Foley, Martin

Ruck                  Maric

The backs look tall but as you know the midfielders all run forward and back so its a nil argument. Grimes and Rance are both very mobile as well.

So what i see is glaring is that 3rd tall forward spot that does the blocking to clear paths for Jack and Vickery.  The names getting thrown around arent able to fill this spot so IMO that makes it difficult for those players to be placed forward. 

Griffiths is almost definitely now a backman, his kick ins are such an asset to the team, probably more than what he offers forward and he was a huge reason we beat Hawthorn

The interesting thing i see is Chaplin and Grimes because both play a similar style

We'll see oue mids go forward again and Martin and Cotch will kick plenty of goals.

We have some serious depth now so players will come in and out of form and be in and out of the team.