What's our best 22 now?

[MintOnLamb]

Claw doesn't know what his talking about. Just bags and bags the club and has no real idea about anytying. why continue to lurk in mordor

Claw is a champion, but has got it wrong with Grimes, if we delisted Grimes, Hawthorn would pick him up in a heartbeat.

Claw is allowed to get it wrong occassionally

[Penelope]

 

[the claw]

Dead wrong about Grimes, Santa, spot on about Castagna though....

We all see things  different. I have never been one to run with the pack or just go along with popular opinion.
Has Grimes showed courage this year? Yep he sure has.Has he played well? yep.   Is he soft as butter?  yep he sure is. I have seen too many instances of him being rag dolled by smaller players and he lacks  aggression and allows himself to be bullied. Yes i do question his ticker.

[the claw]

A literal best 22

B: Grimes - Chaplin - Batchelor
HB: Houli - Rance - Yarran.   Fair dinkum its horrid Take the AA out and it is mediocre.

MID: McIntosh - Martin - B Ellis. Again atm its one A grader.
Ruck: Maric - Cotchin - Miles. Not too shabby but the ruckman is a concern.

HF: Deledio - Vickery - Edwards. Gotta ask is there really a pure fwd amongst them.
F: Lloyd - Riewoldt - Griffith. Thank god theres an A grader here becuse the other two are shiite.

INT: Grigg - Conca - Hunt - Lambert. If there was a place called plodsville this would be it. We need to improve on 9 to 11 players who are supposed to be best 22.

No spot for:
Lennon?
Vlastuin??

Sorry missed Vlastuin. I was talking about the club and what i think they would go with based on age, experience and even performances. It nothing like the side i would like us to field.
We need to change ,  we need to improve we need an injection of youth and potential.

The team i want us to play WHERE POSSIBLE. Meaning getting games into kids without losing the ability to win to much.

FB:  Vlastuin - Elton  - Grimes
HB: Yarran  - Rance -  McIntosh.

Mid: Deledio  - Martin - Menadue/Drummond
Foll: Maric - Cotchin - Miles

HF: Edwards - Riewoldt - Lennon
FF: Vickery - McKenzie - Butler

Int: Houli - C Ellis - B Ellis - Townsend.

A few regulars miss but this is the sort of direction we must take.  It is actually addressing areas that are poor. It does have some kids that are a bit raw. those kids actually replace those who really have to go if we wish to even start talking top 4.
It remains  my opinion for us to become a top 4 side we have to maybe take a small step backwards and embrace some junior talent who arent quite there yet.

[Willy]

Dead wrong about Grimes, Santa, spot on about Castagna though....

We all see things  different. I have never been one to run with the pack or just go along with popular opinion.
Has Grimes showed courage this year? Yep he sure has.Has he played well? yep.   Is he soft as butter?  yep he sure is. I have seen too many instances of him being rag dolled by smaller players and he lacks  aggression and allows himself to be bullied. Yes i do question his ticker.

As far as explanations go, that sucked.

You actually look for reasons to pot our players and our club. Even if it means just making poo up.

[Penelope]

lmfao.

[Yeahright]

His head ducking is a bit soft but he makes up for it in many other ways

Could say exactly the same about Cotchin & Miles....

yeah not sure how deliberately taking blows to the head is soft

Ducking for free kicks really has nothing to do with being soft or not.

You could argue that it's cheap, mischievous even dirty, but not soft.

Surely that's not Claw's reasoning for Grimes being soft.

Sorry guys but I reckon it's a bit soft ducking for frees. Cotchin and Miles do it differently (I actually don't agree Cotchin does but why start another debate). They actually put their head over the ball and in some cases drop down. Grimes has run himself into trouble and has ducked his head to get out of it. One soft act doesn't make a soft player.

[Stalin]

Claw doesn't know what his talking about. Just bags and bags the club and has no real idea about anytying. why continue to lurk in mordor

Claw is a champion, but has got it wrong with Grimes, if we delisted Grimes, Hawthorn would pick him up in a heartbeat.

Claw is allowed to get it wrong occassionally

yep, everyone gets some of it wrong occasionally

its just the extent that is the worrying part

even for us discipleship-of-clawski like my self

... like claiming a young rance will not make it as a key defender, the night after he owned a john brown in his pomp

... or saying grimes is soft, hes was the only one to perform a heroic, non-soft, act in the losing final

A literal best 22

B: Grimes - Chaplin - Batchelor
HB: Houli - Rance - Yarran.   Fair dinkum its horrid Take the AA out and it is mediocre.

MID: McIntosh - Martin - B Ellis. Again atm its one A grader.
Ruck: Maric - Cotchin - Miles. Not too shabby but the ruckman is a concern.

HF: Deledio - Vickery - Edwards. Gotta ask is there really a pure fwd amongst them.
F: Lloyd - Riewoldt - Griffith. Thank god theres an A grader here becuse the other two are shiite.

INT: Grigg - Conca - Hunt - Lambert. If there was a place called plodsville this would be it. We need to improve on 9 to 11 players who are supposed to be best 22.

No spot for:
Lennon?
Vlastuin??

Sorry missed Vlastuin.

 

[Penelope]

Claw doesn't know what his talking about. Just bags and bags the club and has no real idea about anytying. why continue to lurk in mordor

Claw is a champion, but has got it wrong with Grimes, if we delisted Grimes, Hawthorn would pick him up in a heartbeat.

Claw is allowed to get it wrong occassionally

yep, everyone gets some of it wrong occasionally

its just the extent that is the worrying part

even for us discipleship-of-clawski like my self

... like claiming a young rance will not make it as a key defender, the night after he owned a john brown in his pomp

... or saying grimes is soft, hes was the only one to perform a heroic, non-soft, act in the losing final

A literal best 22

B: Grimes - Chaplin - Batchelor
HB: Houli - Rance - Yarran.   Fair dinkum its horrid Take the AA out and it is mediocre.

MID: McIntosh - Martin - B Ellis. Again atm its one A grader.
Ruck: Maric - Cotchin - Miles. Not too shabby but the ruckman is a concern.

HF: Deledio - Vickery - Edwards. Gotta ask is there really a pure fwd amongst them.
F: Lloyd - Riewoldt - Griffith. Thank god theres an A grader here becuse the other two are shiite.

INT: Grigg - Conca - Hunt - Lambert. If there was a place called plodsville this would be it. We need to improve on 9 to 11 players who are supposed to be best 22.

No spot for:
Lennon?
Vlastuin??

Sorry missed Vlastuin.

 

maybe claw comes out of the rabbit hole to visit us?

[the claw]

Dead wrong about Grimes, Santa, spot on about Castagna though....

We all see things  different. I have never been one to run with the pack or just go along with popular opinion.
Has Grimes showed courage this year? Yep he sure has.Has he played well? yep.   Is he soft as butter?  yep he sure is. I have seen too many instances of him being rag dolled by smaller players and he lacks  aggression and allows himself to be bullied. Yes i do question his ticker.

As far as explanations go, that sucked.

You actually look for reasons to pot our players and our club. Even if it means just making poo up.

I couldnt give a stuff if you liked it or not.It is something i have seen on a regular basis. Its not writing him off it is a criticism of a part of his game. You blokes seem to struggle making those distinctions.

Claw doesn't know what his talking about. Just bags and bags the club and has no real idea about anytying. why continue to lurk in mordor

Claw is a champion, but has got it wrong with Grimes, if we delisted Grimes, Hawthorn would pick him up in a heartbeat.

Claw is allowed to get it wrong occassionally

yep, everyone gets some of it wrong occasionally

its just the extent that is the worrying part

even for us discipleship-of-clawski like my self

... like claiming a young rance will not make it as a key defender, the night after he owned a john brown in his pomp

... or saying grimes is soft, hes was the only one to perform a heroic, non-soft, act in the losing final

A literal best 22

B: Grimes - Chaplin - Batchelor
HB: Houli - Rance - Yarran.   Fair dinkum its horrid Take the AA out and it is mediocre.

MID: McIntosh - Martin - B Ellis. Again atm its one A grader.
Ruck: Maric - Cotchin - Miles. Not too shabby but the ruckman is a concern.

HF: Deledio - Vickery - Edwards. Gotta ask is there really a pure fwd amongst them.
F: Lloyd - Riewoldt - Griffith. Thank god theres an A grader here becuse the other two are shiite.

INT: Grigg - Conca - Hunt - Lambert. If there was a place called plodsville this would be it. We need to improve on 9 to 11 players who are supposed to be best 22.

No spot for:
Lennon?
Vlastuin??

Sorry missed Vlastuin.

 

maybe claw comes out of the rabbit hole to visit us?

yeah yeah yeah ive heard it all before. I have said on numerous occasions i would not change one criticism i had of Rance. Once again, no still   posters showing they are incapable of differentiating between justified criticism and writing a player off.
Alex Rance was poor in key areas  for his first 4  years  but whats the point in arguing now like then with people who insist that Rance was perfect.

It is the same with Grimes, i have criticised one area of his game but wait im writing him off. You blokes need to toughen up a bit.
Okay lets criticise another area. He plays very much on smalls these days he provides no run, finds little  ball,  lays few tackles ffs because of blokes like him we had to get Yarran. FFS poor old Batchelor was regularly asked to play third tall because Dylan is a weak soft prick.

[Penelope]

 
how is the queen of hearts?

[Willy]

Dylan is a weak soft prick.

 

Gotta love that "justified criticism" that Claw brings to the table....

[Yeahright]

Does getting rag dolled constitute being soft though? Weak maybe but I consider soft fairly different. Lacking mongrel I disagree with as well. He's right up there in our team for sticking into players from what I have seen.

[big tone]

Dead wrong about Grimes, Santa, spot on about Castagna though....

We all see things  different. I have never been one to run with the pack or just go along with popular opinion.
Has Grimes showed courage this year? Yep he sure has.Has he played well? yep.   Is he soft as butter?  yep he sure is. I have seen too many instances of him being rag dolled by smaller players and he lacks  aggression and allows himself to be bullied. Yes i do question his ticker.

As far as explanations go, that sucked.

You actually look for reasons to pot our players and our club. Even if it means just making poo up.

I couldnt give a stuff if you liked it or not.It is something i have seen on a regular basis. Its not writing him off it is a criticism of a part of his game. You blokes seem to struggle making those distinctions.

Claw doesn't know what his talking about. Just bags and bags the club and has no real idea about anytying. why continue to lurk in mordor

Claw is a champion, but has got it wrong with Grimes, if we delisted Grimes, Hawthorn would pick him up in a heartbeat.

Claw is allowed to get it wrong occassionally

yep, everyone gets some of it wrong occasionally

its just the extent that is the worrying part

even for us discipleship-of-clawski like my self

... like claiming a young rance will not make it as a key defender, the night after he owned a john brown in his pomp

... or saying grimes is soft, hes was the only one to perform a heroic, non-soft, act in the losing final

A literal best 22

B: Grimes - Chaplin - Batchelor
HB: Houli - Rance - Yarran.   Fair dinkum its horrid Take the AA out and it is mediocre.

MID: McIntosh - Martin - B Ellis. Again atm its one A grader.
Ruck: Maric - Cotchin - Miles. Not too shabby but the ruckman is a concern.

HF: Deledio - Vickery - Edwards. Gotta ask is there really a pure fwd amongst them.
F: Lloyd - Riewoldt - Griffith. Thank god theres an A grader here becuse the other two are shiite.

INT: Grigg - Conca - Hunt - Lambert. If there was a place called plodsville this would be it. We need to improve on 9 to 11 players who are supposed to be best 22.

No spot for:
Lennon?
Vlastuin??

Sorry missed Vlastuin.

 

maybe claw comes out of the rabbit hole to visit us?

yeah yeah yeah ive heard it all before. I have said on numerous occasions i would not change one criticism i had of Rance. Once again, no still   posters showing they are incapable of differentiating between justified criticism and writing a player off.
Alex Rance was poor in key areas  for his first 4  years  but whats the point in arguing now like then with people who insist that Rance was perfect.

It is the same with Grimes, i have criticised one area of his game but wait im writing him off. You blokes need to toughen up a bit.
Okay lets criticise another area. He plays very much on smalls these days he provides no run, finds little  ball,  lays few tackles ffs because of blokes like him we had to get Yarran. FFS poor old Batchelor was regularly asked to play third tall because Dylan is a weak soft prick.

Hang on mate, you have said Rance would never make it as a KPD, and I'm pretty sure the last 2 years have shown you to be wrong. That's not a criticism that's a statement that you were 100% wrong about. I know you say he would be better a the 3rd tall but without doubt he has been an out and out star as a KD in the last 2 years.
On Grimes I think you are just about as wrong as you were about Rance.
Maybe he needs to get more footy or be more attacking when he does get it but "soft" no way.

[the claw]

Dead wrong about Grimes, Santa, spot on about Castagna though....

We all see things  different. I have never been one to run with the pack or just go along with popular opinion.
Has Grimes showed courage this year? Yep he sure has.Has he played well? yep.   Is he soft as butter?  yep he sure is. I have seen too many instances of him being rag dolled by smaller players and he lacks  aggression and allows himself to be bullied. Yes i do question his ticker.

As far as explanations go, that sucked.

You actually look for reasons to pot our players and our club. Even if it means just making poo up.

I couldnt give a stuff if you liked it or not.It is something i have seen on a regular basis. Its not writing him off it is a criticism of a part of his game. You blokes seem to struggle making those distinctions.

Claw doesn't know what his talking about. Just bags and bags the club and has no real idea about anytying. why continue to lurk in mordor

Claw is a champion, but has got it wrong with Grimes, if we delisted Grimes, Hawthorn would pick him up in a heartbeat.

Claw is allowed to get it wrong occassionally

yep, everyone gets some of it wrong occasionally

its just the extent that is the worrying part

even for us discipleship-of-clawski like my self

... like claiming a young rance will not make it as a key defender, the night after he owned a john brown in his pomp

... or saying grimes is soft, hes was the only one to perform a heroic, non-soft, act in the losing final

A literal best 22

B: Grimes - Chaplin - Batchelor
HB: Houli - Rance - Yarran.   Fair dinkum its horrid Take the AA out and it is mediocre.

MID: McIntosh - Martin - B Ellis. Again atm its one A grader.
Ruck: Maric - Cotchin - Miles. Not too shabby but the ruckman is a concern.

HF: Deledio - Vickery - Edwards. Gotta ask is there really a pure fwd amongst them.
F: Lloyd - Riewoldt - Griffith. Thank god theres an A grader here becuse the other two are shiite.

INT: Grigg - Conca - Hunt - Lambert. If there was a place called plodsville this would be it. We need to improve on 9 to 11 players who are supposed to be best 22.

No spot for:
Lennon?
Vlastuin??

Sorry missed Vlastuin.

 

maybe claw comes out of the rabbit hole to visit us?

yeah yeah yeah ive heard it all before. I have said on numerous occasions i would not change one criticism i had of Rance. Once again, no still   posters showing they are incapable of differentiating between justified criticism and writing a player off.
Alex Rance was poor in key areas  for his first 4  years  but whats the point in arguing now like then with people who insist that Rance was perfect.

It is the same with Grimes, i have criticised one area of his game but wait im writing him off. You blokes need to toughen up a bit.
Okay lets criticise another area. He plays very much on smalls these days he provides no run, finds little  ball,  lays few tackles ffs because of blokes like him we had to get Yarran. FFS poor old Batchelor was regularly asked to play third tall because Dylan is a weak soft prick.

Hang on mate, you have said Rance would never make it as a KPD, and I'm pretty sure the last 2 years have shown you to be wrong. That's not a criticism that's a statement that you were 100% wrong about. I know you say he would be better a the 3rd tall but without doubt he has been an out and out star as a KD in the last 2 years.
On Grimes I think you are just about as wrong as you were about Rance.
Maybe he needs to get more footy or be more attacking when he does get it but "soft" no way.

Dont call me  mate. We have been here before. Now like then you are kidding yourself,  as i asked then  bring up one post where i have written him off and said delist get rid of him hes no good.
My history with rance on footy forums goes
Wanting him at pick 18
Highly critical of aspects of his game
To now acknowledging him being a very good footballer who could still improve some aspects of his game..

Your trouble you  get all precious when players you think are okay get criticised.
I have been thru the Rance thread and on no occasion have i called for his head. Must be 100 posts of mine there and other boards on the topic.
 The one constant has been whiny bunnies like you complaining about rance copping criticism.The other constant me complaining about Rance being  poor in several areas,  constantly falling over, getting caught out of position, getting beaten too often 1v1, misreading the ball in the air yep i was right into him and as i have said to you before i stand by those criticisms.
Any way Paint it  how you like i really dont give a stuff.