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Re: Cotchin must relinquish the Captaincy.
« Reply #300 on: May 17, 2016, 09:41:07 PM »
Yes with a team under his captaincy that has at various stages contained the likes of Chaplin, Grigg, Houli, Morris, B.Ellis, Vickery, Hamspud, Hunt, one game wonderboy Griffiths, Batchelor, Conca, Newman, Townsend, A.Moore, Thomarse, Petterd, A.Edwards, Gordon, McGuane, Derrickx, Hackson, Lonergan, hasn't really had a ruckman for at least two years and is coached by a mong ........let's blame Trent Cotchin.....

Please refrain from listing those players ever again. It makes me sad...

Yes, because it's their fault collectively that he kicks like a wacko dog, turns it over by hand and believes Geez will fix it.

are they cotchins fault ?
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Re: Cotchin must relinquish the Captaincy.
« Reply #301 on: May 18, 2016, 08:45:13 AM »
Yes with a team under his captaincy that has at various stages contained the likes of Chaplin, Grigg, Houli, Morris, B.Ellis, Vickery, Hamspud, Hunt, one game wonderboy Griffiths, Batchelor, Conca, Newman, Townsend, A.Moore, Thomarse, Petterd, A.Edwards, Gordon, McGuane, Derrickx, Hackson, Lonergan, hasn't really had a ruckman for at least two years and is coached by a mong ........let's blame Trent Cotchin.....

Please refrain from listing those players ever again. It makes me sad...

Yes, because it's their fault collectively that he kicks like a wacko dog, turns it over by hand and believes Geez will fix it.

Its also collectively their fault he had 8 posessions in the EF in 2015 and kicked against the wind in EF 2014.
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Re: Cotchin must relinquish the Captaincy.
« Reply #302 on: May 18, 2016, 10:10:31 AM »
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Re: Cotchin must relinquish the Captaincy.
« Reply #303 on: May 19, 2016, 01:35:06 PM »
Whilst I don't think Cotch is a great captain, we did win 15 games last year with him at the helm.

Its true.  But how many losses did we have without Deledio playing but with Cotchin leading?  We were poor at the start of the last two seasons and the common factor was the absence of Deledio.

Deledio makes the players around him play better.  He actually provides leadership.  He also leads by example.  You don't see him running hard to get cheap possessions and then cruising when he gets the ball and playing hot potato.  Deledio would be a miles better captain.  You swap him and Cotchin last week and the swans would have pumped us.

The leadership group is a euphemism for Hardwick's captain calls.  It was a captain's call by Hardwick that Cotchin got the job just as it was a captain's call by Hardwick that Jack was kicked out of the leadership group for openly questioning his moronic game plan.

As to Cotchin's performance, like Morris, he really has struggled from not being able to dive into peoples legs for free kicks.  He is still adapting to having to win the ball honestly and not having it gifted to him.  His poor disposal and decision making makes his team mates reluctant to give it to him but they are being forced to.  He can be a good player when he goes hard.  He just doesn't go hard often enough.  He needs to harden up.  He is no captain though.  Last three final's series proved that.  Soft when it counts.


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Re: Cotchin must relinquish the Captaincy.
« Reply #304 on: May 19, 2016, 02:39:31 PM »
Yes with a team under his captaincy that has at various stages contained the likes of Chaplin, Grigg, Houli, Morris, B.Ellis, Vickery, Hamspud, Hunt, one game wonderboy Griffiths, Batchelor, Conca, Newman, Townsend, A.Moore, Thomarse, Petterd, A.Edwards, Gordon, McGuane, Derrickx, Hackson, Lonergan, hasn't really had a ruckman for at least two years and is coached by a mong ........let's blame Trent Cotchin.....

Please refrain from listing those players ever again. It makes me sad...

Yes, because it's their fault collectively that he kicks like a wacko dog, turns it over by hand and believes Geez will fix it.

No, it just saddens me seeing the amount of duds we have picked up in such a short period of time

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Re: Cotchin must relinquish the Captaincy.
« Reply #305 on: May 19, 2016, 09:47:10 PM »
Whilst I don't think Cotch is a great captain, we did win 15 games last year with him at the helm.

Its true.  But how many losses did we have without Deledio playing but with Cotchin leading?  We were poor at the start of the last two seasons and the common factor was the absence of Deledio.

Deledio makes the players around him play better.  He actually provides leadership.  He also leads by example.  You don't see him running hard to get cheap possessions and then cruising when he gets the ball and playing hot potato.  Deledio would be a miles better captain.  You swap him and Cotchin last week and the swans would have pumped us.

The leadership group is a euphemism for Hardwick's captain calls.  It was a captain's call by Hardwick that Cotchin got the job just as it was a captain's call by Hardwick that Jack was kicked out of the leadership group for openly questioning his moronic game plan.

As to Cotchin's performance, like Morris, he really has struggled from not being able to dive into peoples legs for free kicks.  He is still adapting to having to win the ball honestly and not having it gifted to him.  His poor disposal and decision making makes his team mates reluctant to give it to him but they are being forced to.  He can be a good player when he goes hard.  He just doesn't go hard often enough.  He needs to harden up.  He is no captain though.  Last three final's series proved that.  Soft when it counts.

How has Deledio performed in the last three EF?

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Re: Cotchin must relinquish the Captaincy.
« Reply #306 on: May 19, 2016, 10:40:54 PM »
Exactly the same.
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Re: Cotchin must relinquish the Captaincy.
« Reply #307 on: May 19, 2016, 10:47:49 PM »
Fair enough. Given Theyve both been the same,
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Re: Cotchin must relinquish the Captaincy.
« Reply #308 on: May 19, 2016, 10:58:38 PM »
Actually in finals, it's Cotchin 1/3 - Deledio 0/3.  :shh

Cotchin, Maric, Vlastuin, Rance, Riewoldt - all ahead of Deledio on that criteria. :shh :shh




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Re: Cotchin must relinquish the Captaincy.
« Reply #309 on: May 19, 2016, 11:15:40 PM »
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You don't see him running hard to get cheap possessions

Agree with some of the post, but this part gets me.

If you have to work hard to get it, why is it a cheap possession?
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Re: Cotchin must relinquish the Captaincy.
« Reply #310 on: May 19, 2016, 11:19:30 PM »
Whilst I don't think Cotch is a great captain, we did win 15 games last year with him at the helm.

Does everybody just ignore 2015 and blame him for our 2016 woes?

I don't think the club would ever entertain changing captaincy mid season so this thread is probably extremely hypothetical.

On the contrary, I think many are ignoring 2015, his performance in the Elim final sis still a major discussion point  ;D
Well, if that is the yardstick then, that counts Lids out as well. He was hopeless in the EF. :whistle
I guess thats it then. Vickery should be captain.

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Re: Cotchin must relinquish the Captaincy.
« Reply #311 on: May 19, 2016, 11:21:10 PM »
Whilst I don't think Cotch is a great captain, we did win 15 games last year with him at the helm.

Does everybody just ignore 2015 and blame him for our 2016 woes?

I don't think the club would ever entertain changing captaincy mid season so this thread is probably extremely hypothetical.

On the contrary, I think many are ignoring 2015, his performance in the Elim final sis still a major discussion point  ;D
Well, if that is the yardstick then, that counts Lids out as well. He was hopeless in the EF. :whistle
I guess thats it then. Vickery should be captain.


Nope, that would count Vickery out as well....
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Re: Cotchin must relinquish the Captaincy.
« Reply #312 on: May 20, 2016, 01:13:30 AM »
Reiwoldt's probably the only one who has consistently given it a crack in the finals

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Re: Cotchin must relinquish the Captaincy.
« Reply #313 on: May 20, 2016, 05:36:38 AM »
Reiwoldt's probably the only one who has consistently given it a crack in the finals

Yeah but Reiwoldt has to take a fair bit of the blame for Cotchins finals performances. So that rules him out.
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Re: Cotchin must relinquish the Captaincy.
« Reply #314 on: May 20, 2016, 11:05:40 AM »
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