Essendon face AFL probe/Players found Guilty by CAS

[YellowandBlackBlood]

please, chip has been writing endless articles of crap.

chip le tosser

Have you read the book?

And did you read what i wrote?

I said that his book is very balanced and as a result it is extremely damning of the EFC & Hird

Do you undertand that, can i make it any clearer for you. How about this..  the book gives out some mighty whacks

Clear?

Agree WP. It is balanced. However, he does fall short of stating what we all know is the obvious. Dank used PEDs. He raises it as a possibility but qualifies it with the garbage that Dank has told him. Dank is totally unreliable. I understand why he couldn't write that at the time the book was written and published though.

[mightytiges]

This guy, Chris Kaias, goes through in detail 15 questions about the CAS verdict and how CAS came to their decision. A good (lengthy) read.

The 15 questions are:

1.    With no positive tests, no whistleblowers, and no confessions, how can the Players have been found guilty?
2.   How can two Tribunals arrive at such different verdicts with no new evidence?
3.    How could the CAS Panel place any weight on the evidence of Mr Charter, Mr Dank, or Mr Alavi, given the unrel­iability of these individuals?
4.    Were the individual circumstances of each player considered on a case-by-case basis?
5.    How could the CAS Panel find against all of the Players? In doing so, did the Panel effectively reverse the onus of proof?
6.    How could the CAS Panel be sure that it was TB-4, and not some other variant of Thymosin?
7.    Given that this case took almost three years to resolve, why wasn’t there a greater discount for delay?
8.    Why did the Players not receive a ‘No Significant Fault’ discount?
9.    How can the Players be accused of hiding the regime from Dr Reid, when he was present for Nathan Lovett-Murray’s injections?
10.    It has been stated that the decision wasn’t unanimous, with 4 out of 6 judges clearing the players—Is this fair?
11.   Is it true that Henry Slattery didn’t receive any injections and Mark McVeigh was only injected with Melatonin?
12.    The CAS Panel claimed that Mr Dank injected Sandor Earl with TB-4—Was this correct?
13.    The fact that Mr Dank ordered blood tests was considered relevant by the CAS Panel—How can this be relevant, when the tests weren’t for TB-4?
14.    Did WADA change the rules in 2015, and therefore was it wrong for CAS to conduct the hearing ‘de novo’?
15.    Should the AFL simply refuse to enforce the CAS decision, and walk away from the WADA Code?

https://chriskaias.wordpress.com/2016/01/25/the-essendon-cas-verdict-your-top-15-questions-answered/

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[mightytiges]

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Seriously, their reasons are laughable. They clearly aren't aware nor don't understand the case, nor all the evidence, nor the WADA code and its emphasis that the sportsperson is ultimately responsible for what goes into their body. And these guys are our law makers  .

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We believe these players were denied:

    The presumption of innocence  The players were still able to train and play while the ASADA investigation and court hearings were occurring.
    The right to an independent Hearing No one complained about the independence of these hearings when the AFL tribunal couldn't be 'comfortably satisfied' by ASADA's case.
    The right to remain silent That's what got the players into trouble in the first place. If they hadn't remained silent, the whole dodgy 'supplement' program would've been exposed for what it was right from the beginning.
    The right to privacy and confidentiality The individual names of the 34 players were not made public while the investigation was occurring. It was Watson himself admitted to believing he was given AOD-9604 live on Fox Footy. Before that, we had dopey McVeigh say he was only given Vitamin B & C in his public attack on former teammate Kyle Reimers .
    The right not to be tried twice for the same offence These pollies need to look up the word 'appeal' and 'new evidence' (i.e. from Dr Cox).
    The right to be dealt with promptly and not subject to unnecessary delays Blame the EFC and Hird for that; not to mention the difficulty in finding out what happened thanks to the total lack of record keeping etc by the EFC and the players with their own doping forms.
    The right for an appeal to be heard in an Australian Court WADA is an international body. Welcome to the big wide world.

The rest of their argument is simply conspiracy theory.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Their only defence is that they didn't take TB4.

Funny, they argued they had thymosin alpha 1 - a drug Dank has never ever said he gave them!!!

Dank said he gave them thymomodulin - a completely different drug to TA1 - and he doesn't even sell it online from MRC peptides, a online store that he is a director of! The only drug he sells similar is called THYMOSIN. When you click on that you get, you guessed it, thymosin beta 4!!! Guess what the consents had on them - THYMOSIN!!!

[Stalin]

An yet the science of Steve dank interview he admits injecting tb4

'The appeal will be conducted in French' haha love it

Le drug cheats

[Diocletian]

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/former-essendon-rookie-hal-hunter-to-sue-club-over-supplements-program-20160210-gmqeea.html

[Stalin]

Poor kid,

[one-eyed]

PAPERWORK for the Essendon 34's appeal to the Federal Supreme Court of Switzerland is expected to be formally lodged overnight.

As of Wednesday afternoon, it was looking likely all 34 past and present Bombers players would be party to the appeal, sources told AFL.com.au.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-10/essendon-34-set-to-appeal-their-seasonlong-afl-bans

[🏅Dooks]

Idiots

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Gen Y entitlement complex.

[🏅Dooks]

Gem Y entitlement complex.

Reminds me of a story of recent times. 

This guy at work got a few of us onto this barbers place up the road. Anyhoot, long story short, this place gave 4/5 of us a nice doo at a great price but one of us (a gen y no less) wasn't happy. The fade was too high.

Not just unhappy, seriously insisted 'we' sort the problem out coz We are a guys who (as a gen xers and more competent gen y's perhaps) gets things sorted. And sat on his hands.

Welcome to the real world, sort your own poo out honey

[Diocletian]

Pfft "fade".....short back and sides, spare the head....

[🏅Dooks]

Pfft "fade".....short back and sides, spare the head....

Short back and sides? Do people still talk like this? 

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U should have kicked him in the face