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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #840 on: July 07, 2013, 08:03:52 PM »
Karma for Jab Watson.

Broken collarbone.

You can cheat the public pal but not the bloke upstairs.

If he aint Orthodox or Catholic in that order what do you expect? :lol

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #841 on: July 07, 2013, 08:11:12 PM »
Karma for Jab Watson.

Broken collarbone.

You can cheat the public pal but not the bloke upstairs.

If he aint Orthodox or Catholic in that order what do you expect? :lol

Essendon's origins have always been Protestant.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #842 on: July 07, 2013, 08:28:20 PM »
Karma for Jab Watson.

Broken collarbone.

You can cheat the public pal but not the bloke upstairs.

If he aint Orthodox or Catholic in that order what do you expect? :lol

Essendon's origins have always been Protestant.

Hahaha

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #844 on: July 08, 2013, 07:02:45 PM »
Doc Larkins on 3aw tonight saying how can David Evans claim these drugs aren't performance enhancing when there's been no clinical human trials to test them. This stuff is all experimental. Larkins also said Essendon is in trouble on a number of fronts.

Karma for Jab Watson.

Broken collarbone.

You can cheat the public pal but not the bloke upstairs.
Ch 7 tonight saying Watson probably won't be back before the finals.

Ummm .... that would mean he's gone for the season as the Bombers won't be allowed to play in September lol.
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #845 on: July 11, 2013, 04:34:25 AM »
Bombers unwittingly part of a 'pharmacological experimental' workplace: AFLPA

    Jon Pierik
    The Age
    July 11, 2013


AFL players boss Matt Finnis has blamed the Essendon Football Club for the supplements scandal, insisting players had no choice but to be part of the "pharmacological experimental" workplace.

The push for the joint investigation by the AFL and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority to absolve the players of blame for taking banned substances under a program run by former sports scientist Stephen Dank gathers momentum.

Jobe Watson's recent comments during a television interview that he had been administered what he believed was AOD-9604 through club doctor Bruce Reid, added to suggestions there was a growing bid for the club, coaches and staff to face sanctions, with players escaping punishment.

Players may have also taken Melatonan II, anti-ageing drug TA65, Interleukin 6 and Cerebrolysin.

Finnis said the players had not willingly taken any banned drug.

"Players understand they do have responsibilities under the WADA [World Anti-Doping Agency] code in terms of the way we combat the use of performance-enhancing drugs and ultimately curb cheating," he said.

"But an issue like this is quite complex. We must ensure that ultimate culpability resides with those that are most responsible and the information that has been before me thus far indicates that no players have been willing participants in any kind of activity which is designed to cut corners or to gain an unfair advantage.

"But others ultimately are going to have to ultimately share responsibility for that and the culpability will ultimately lie where the investigation says it should."

There have been suggestions players, even the leadership group, should have questioned more what they were being administered, especially as they had signed waiver forms and confidentiality agreements and were taken to a clinic across the road from their training venue for injections.

But Finnis said on the "information available to me, I am not sure what more players can do".

"From the moment they come into the game, players are told to put their trust and confidence in the experts, the medical advisers, the fitness staff in relation to any kind of supplements that they are going to take. That's because it is quite a complex area," he said.

"I think what the players have done we would expect any prudent responsible player to do and they have relied upon that advice. If they have let down by that, ultimately under the eyes of the WADA code, then the responsibility for that will be sheeted home.

"But let's not forget, these players were placed in an absolutely untenable position where they have been allegedly administered substances which more were not approved for human use. Regardless of whether or not these were performance-enhancing, let's not lose sight of the bigger picture – that no player should ever go to work in a workplace which can be described as pharmacological experimental."

Interviews with ASADA have now been completed, with Essendon senior assistant coach Mark Thompson the last to be questioned last week. Thompson had said his interview was "pretty intense".

Essendon this week held a meeting to update the families of players.

If found guilty, players could face bans of up to two years, while the Bombers face a heavy financial sanction and the loss of premiership points. The two casualties, so far, have been chief executive Ian Robson, and fitness boss Dean Robinson – the latter suspended but on full pay. Dank, who has refused to be interviewed by authorities, denies any wrong-doing.

"I am not going to pre-empt what penalties should apply until we see the investigation but I think the public should be really proud that the players have co-operated, they have been honest, they have been candid and at every step they have co-operated with the investigation," Finnis said.

Bombers president David Evans maintains the peptide AOD-9604 was not performance enhancing, although it is banned by WADA.

The AFL wants the investigation to be completed by mid August, ensuring the finals series can go ahead without threat.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-unwittingly-part-of-a-pharmacological-experimental-workplace-aflpa-20130710-2pq40.html#ixzz2YfWnnsaM


AFL players union boss Matt Finnis says it is important those most responsible for any anti-doping breach at Essendon pay the highest price - and is adamant that should not be the players.

As the investigation into Essendon's supplements use in 2012 continues, Finnis says he doesn't know what more Bombers players could have done to ensure they were doing the right thing under the World Anti-Doping Agency code.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-players-association-boss-matt-finnis-says-essendon-players-should-not-be-penalised/story-fndv8gad-1226677283773#mm-breached

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #846 on: July 11, 2013, 08:16:38 AM »
Finnis has got to be kidding right?? Surely WADA and the AFL aren't buying this bullplop that the players didn't know what they were taking. They signed waivers and were taken offsite to have the injections administered for crying out loud. The players were as complicit in this whole stinking scandal as the club, the coaches and the doctors. THROW THE FRICKEN LIBRARY AT THE LOT OF THEM!!!

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #847 on: July 11, 2013, 09:38:48 AM »
Finnis has got to be kidding right??

Always thought Finnis was a fool

His comments on this prove it, the players aren't to blame.... Please ... responsibility :banghead

Clearly clueless

Isn't it great to see him encouraging the people he represents to not take any repsonsibility for their own stupidity... great example to set ......


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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #848 on: July 11, 2013, 09:56:53 AM »
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #849 on: July 11, 2013, 06:38:09 PM »
Its going to end up with a slap on the wrist if anyone expected anything else they were kidding themselves..  :facepalm
By the way please dont mind the lumps under the rug of the AFL foyer we often sweep our rubbish under there
AFL handing out punishment to Essendrugtanktide=  :cuddles
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« Reply #850 on: July 11, 2013, 09:50:40 PM »
They cannot afford to be weak the integrity of the sport is at stake.
If the AFL are pi$$weak there will be bona fide fans who will be disenchanted by this and go back to grass roots footy rather than supporting AFL due to the ongoing misappropriation.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #851 on: July 11, 2013, 10:51:52 PM »
Its going to end up with a slap on the wrist if anyone expected anything else they were kidding themselves..  :facepalm
By the way please dont mind the lumps under the rug of the AFL foyer we often sweep our rubbish under there
AFL handing out punishment to Essendrugtanktide=  :cuddles

Yes.

The lack of integrity is disgusting.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #852 on: July 12, 2013, 03:57:12 AM »
With Essendon facing possible severe sanctions over the alleged use of banned substances, betting outlets across Australia are drawing up contingency plans to deal with the possible removal of the Bombers from betting markets.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bookmakers-plan-for-bomber-ban-20130711-2pt7b.html#ixzz2YlBv40yb

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #853 on: July 12, 2013, 10:57:20 AM »
Supplements saga may drag on for years

By Matt Thompson
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Friday, July 12, 2013



THE END of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority investigation next month may only be the beginning of years of legal drama for Essendon.

If the Bombers are proven to have endangered the health of their players they could be in breach of Victoria's workplace safety laws and face fines totaling more than $1 million.

The club could also face a lengthy legal fight with its players for compensation related to damaged reputations and loss of earnings. 

"It could be significant sums of money and it could be a very long period to recover those sums," Maurice Blackburn's principal in employment law Kamal Farouque told AFL.com.au.

"The ASADA process may not be the end of the story; it could be just the start of the story," he said. 

He indicated any litigation process could last two years.

ASADA and AFL are continuing a probe into the Bombers' 2012 supplements program, with the findings due in August.

So far Victoria's workplace regulator is not investigating, but it hasn't ruled out looking into the case after other inquiries are complete.

“WorkSafe is not investigating this matter as more appropriate bodies are looking into the issue," a spokesman told AFL.com.au.

Under section 21 of the 2004 Occupational Health and Safety Act there could be grounds to prosecute.

"An employer must, so far as is reasonably practicable, provide and maintain for employees of the employer a working environment that is safe and without risks to health," the act reads.

Both organisations and individuals can be liable for massive fines, although WorkSafe rarely takes action against individuals.

"If any employer in the course of employment administered or procured their employees to have administered a substance which endangered their health and safety then that would raise obvious implications under the Occupational Health and Safety Act," Farouque said. 

"If there was the potential for that then Essendon could be investigated by WorkSafe, and if WorkSafe thought that there was sufficient evidence to sustain a prosecution they could be prosecuted by WorkSafe," he said.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-12/dons-drama-may-drag-on

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AFL chief Andrew Demetriou reiterates league's hope to have Bombers' probe wrapped up by end of August

    Ben Broad
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    July 12, 2013 10:42AM


AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou may have given hope to Essendon's case for avoiding major sanctions over the supplements scandal.

The league chief indicated there were conflicting reports as to the status of the drug central to the investigation - AOD-9604

While the league boss didn't give hint as whether Essendon would or wouldn't face major sanctions, he reiterated the league's stance that it hoped to have a conclusion to the investigation before the finals.

The cloudy picture as to whether AOD-9604 - the drug central to the Bombers scandal - is in fact banned may help Essendon's cause, with the club likely to argue that point should any penalty be handed out.

"There is a view from WADA that they have deemed AOD9604 to be banned," Demetriou told 3AW on Friday morning.

"The AFL received the ACC report where it was determined that it wasn't banned, so there is an issue whether it is banned or not banned - there is a classification issue around that.

"I'm not going to speculate whether it is or it isn't, other than to say that this investigation is coming to an end.

"We're at a point in time where when we receive the report, the public ... all of us are entitled to hear the truth. I think everybody is impatient about getting to end of this matter and none moreso than the AFL."

Demetriou didn't want to to speculate on whether Essendon could possibly be stripped of their premiership points for the 2013 season, or whether the Bombers' Brownlow medallist Jobe Watson knew what drug he had been administered during the club's supplements program.

Last month Watson shocked fans - and his club - by admitting on Fox Footy's On the Couch that he believed he had taken AOD-9604.

Demetriou defended the league's handling of the investigation and said he hoped the saga could be resolved before September.

"We do believe that we might have an outcome before the end of August," he said.

"That's what we're working towards, we're not trying to expedite the process.

"Everyone's been interviewed, it's been an extensive investigation, 130 interviews ... This is an investigation that's very complex and I think what we should say is it's been well-handled because we're getting to the bottom of it."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-chief-andrew-demetriou-reiterates-leagues-hope-to-have-bombers-probe-wrapped-up-by-end-of-august/story-fni5f6kv-1226678334973