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Re: Cotchin, Mitchell to receive Watson's Brownlow??
« Reply #120 on: February 08, 2016, 10:39:42 AM »
Court may delay call on Watson Brownlow

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February 8, 2016


THE AFL's review of Jobe Watson's 2012 Brownlow Medal could be delayed if the suspended Bomber joins an appeal with teammates over his drug ban.

The AFL Commission had implied it would make a call on whether Watson would keep the medal by February 15, but that date could change if the Bombers skipper appeals his season-long ban handed down by the Court of Arbitration for Sport for his role in Essendon's 2012 supplements program.

The AFL is yet to be informed whether Watson will be a signatory in any appeal through the Federal Supreme Court of Switzerland.

"At the moment, the commission sits next Monday. The deadline for the players to appeal is this Wednesday," AFL spokesman Patrick Keane told AFL.com.au.

"We haven't yet been told if Jobe is appealing, so we are waiting on that."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-08/afl-decision-on-jobe-watsons-brownlow-may-be-delayed-by-swiss-court-action

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Re: Cotchin, Mitchell to receive Watson's Brownlow??
« Reply #121 on: February 08, 2016, 12:13:33 PM »
So the players cannot play because they have been found to have broken the rules but Jobe can keep the Brownlow till an unlikely appeal win is heard. Ok. I also heard WADA can appeal the appeal decision!!!!
 
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Re: Cotchin, Mitchell to receive Watson's Brownlow??
« Reply #122 on: February 08, 2016, 12:29:42 PM »
So the players cannot play because they have been found to have broken the rules but Jobe can keep the Brownlow till an unlikely appeal win is heard. Ok. I also heard WADA can appeal the appeal decision!!!!

yes WADA can appeal the appeal decision and go back to CAS have the case reheard - they did it with some tennis player, lost the appeal but got the case reheard by CAS and CAS came up with the same verdict.

Players can apply for an injunction to play while the appeal is pending and being heard but have decided against this because it would mean if they lose the appeal their suspension would apply to season 2017. They don't want that  ;D

On SEN this morning they were saying it is unlikely all 34 will appeal, I am interested to see if this happens

Which of the 34 intends to break ranks? Smart blokes if they choose do that, the likelihood of winning this appeal isn't great
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Re: Cotchin, Mitchell to receive Watson's Brownlow??
« Reply #123 on: February 08, 2016, 12:56:18 PM »
So the players cannot play because they have been found to have broken the rules but Jobe can keep the Brownlow till an unlikely appeal win is heard. Ok. I also heard WADA can appeal the appeal decision!!!!

yes WADA can appeal the appeal decision and go back to CAS have the case reheard - they did it with some tennis player, lost the appeal but got the case reheard by CAS and CAS came up with the same verdict.

Players can apply for an injunction to play while the appeal is pending and being heard but have decided against this because it would mean if they lose the appeal their suspension would apply to season 2017. They don't want that  ;D

On SEN this morning they were saying it is unlikely all 34 will appeal, I am interested to see if this happens

Which of the 34 intends to break ranks? Smart blokes if they choose do that, the likelihood of winning this appeal isn't great
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Re: Cotchin, Mitchell to receive Watson's Brownlow??
« Reply #124 on: February 08, 2016, 04:29:29 PM »
King Jobe... Drug cheat... move on

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Re: Cotchin, Mitchell to receive Watson's Brownlow??
« Reply #125 on: February 09, 2016, 05:17:47 PM »
King Jobe... Drug cheat... move on

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Re: Cotchin, Mitchell to receive Watson's Brownlow??
« Reply #126 on: February 09, 2016, 06:02:39 PM »
Afl should really just take it and if he's succesful in his appeal(LMAO)  give it back.
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Re: Cotchin, Mitchell to receive Watson's Brownlow??
« Reply #127 on: February 12, 2016, 03:18:25 PM »
Watson has to lose his Brownlow

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Friday, February 12, 2016 - 2:30 PM



Cheaters never prosper. That's what we tell our kids as we try to instil in them the correct values when we take them to sporting fields around the country on the weekends. And really it is the only thing the AFL Commission needs to consider when it comes to Jobe Watson's Brownlow Medal.

Watson and the 33 other Essendon drug cheats may have appealed the verdict, but as it stands they have been found guilty and must wear the consequences. Their appeal isn't going to question whether or not that they were administered the banned peptide Thymosin Beta-4, but rather their level of knowledge of what they were being injected with.

Even a cursory look over Watson's record before the injection program took place at the Bombers shows he was reaping the reward of competing with a drug-enhanced body. Prior to 2012 when Watson was considered a very good player, but not quite among the elite of the competition, he was averaging around 26 disposals per game.

In 2012, he had taken his game to another level, averaging 29 disposals per game and finishing the season with career highs of 652 possessions, 105 tackles and 20 goals. Something had clearly changed very quickly and it was obvious among his teammates as well. It was as though they were not competing on a level-playing field.

That is at the heart of why the Commission has no option but to strip Watson of his ill-gotten Charlie – the other players in the running were not competing on a level-playing field. It would be outrageous for a drug-cheating Olympian to keep any of their medals and there is no justification for Watson to keep his.

The only case Watson defenders, like disgraced former coach James Hird, have is that the AFL should somehow preference its own anti-doping tribunal's verdict over the Court of Arbitration for Sport decision. This is a ridiculous notion that would rightly make the AFL a laughing stock.

The CAS is the highest jurisdiction in this matter and that means the previous verdict has been overruled. You don't get to pick and choose which verdict you abide by. It wasn't as though the CAS found the players at 'no significant fault', either. In the words of ASADA boss Ben McDevitt, the Essendon players were "complicit in a culture of concealment". According to McDevitt, they hid injections from their doctor and ASADA, made no inquiries about the substances to ASADA and had a "fatal" lack of curiosity.

The only real decision for the Commission should be whether to award the Brownlow Medal to the 2012 runners-up – Sam Mitchell and Trent Cotchin – or to leave the award vacant. Early on in the Essendon drug scandal Cotchin expressed reservations about Watson being stripped of his medal. Neither of these players should feel guilty about taking it under these circumstances. Why should either Cotchin or Mitchell be denied football immortality by someone who competed with the benefit of a banned substance?

If the Commission were to leave the award vacant, it would be a permanent blight on the record books. If instead they were to announce new winners, it might not clear the air totally, but it would seem like justice had been done.

http://www.sportsfan.com.au/watson-has-to-lose-his-brownlow-medal/tabid/91/newsid/187434/default.aspx?cid=SF_LOWDOWN_AFL_article_watsonhastolosehisbrownlowmedal_120216

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Re: Cotchin, Mitchell to receive Watson's Brownlow??
« Reply #128 on: February 16, 2016, 09:06:35 PM »
Don’t expect a decision anytime soon on whether Jobe Watson will go down in football’s history books as the 2012 Brownlow medalist.

The appeal of the Essendon 34 has put all other business on hold, and when that appeal fails - which it will - and Jobe is stripped of the medal - which he will be - it may only be the start of the fun and games.

My sources tell me both 2012 runners-up, Richmond’s Trent Cotchin and Hawk Sam Mitchell, are adamant they won’t accept the title by default, which would be mighty embarrassing for the league.

However, I feel when the day comes and the game’s highest individual award is dangled in their faces, the pair may drop their high moral standards … just to help us all move on, of course.

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Re: Cotchin, Mitchell to receive Watson's Brownlow??
« Reply #129 on: February 17, 2016, 03:41:44 PM »
I wonder what chri grant a thinks of that
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Re: Cotchin, Mitchell to receive Watson's Brownlow??
« Reply #130 on: March 05, 2016, 02:46:03 PM »
Jobe Watson's Brownlow: the decision the AFL didn't want to make

Caroline Wilson
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March 5, 2016



The most arduous task facing the AFL in 2016 — the stripping of Jobe Watson's Brownlow Medal — was one the game's governors believed they would never have to make.

That is because senior and long-standing commissioners thought — and certainly hoped — that Watson would make the decision for them. At one stage they considered officially offering the Essendon captain the opportunity to make the call to offer up the 2012 medal.

Instead, in the hours that followed the early-morning bombshell on January 11, the AFL chose instead to call the Essendon captain to front the game's governors to put forward his views on the issue. It chose not to put the voluntary option in writing of Watson handing the medal back. But they did give him some weeks to think about it.

The letter was drafted by Gillon McLachlan and his legal executive Andrew Dillon. Looking back, it seemed a strange tactic given everyone in power was acutely aware at that stage there was no alternative but to remove the game's highest individual honour. Surely, even with McLachlan at the helm, this was never going to be a negotiation. Particularly when it quickly became clear that Watson would not proffer the medal.

There is every suggestion that the scheduled February commission meeting with Watson, which never took place, would not have been a comfortable one. The commissioners appear to have hoped in vain that those mentoring the 31-year-old would advise him that the best course was to voluntarily give back the 2012 Brownlow.

This column is not suggesting it is aware of Watson's current thought process but according to his manager Craig Kelly the suspended player has no intention of voluntarily giving back his medal.

"He didn't ask to win it," said Kelly, "and he won't be handing it back." The Elite Sports Properties boss, whose firm handles eight of the suspended 34, said that Watson had indicated he would be happy to front the commission to explain his case but that if the Brownlow was to be stripped from then the AFL would have to do it.

In any event the decision has been, at the very least, postponed.

Watson along with all of the suspended 34, is appealing the decision although a positive outcome for the players who took part in the 2012 drug program will not be based on the fact they did not take banned substances.

Experts in the legal field of international sport have given them very little chance of success and even if the appeal is upheld it will be a technical decision based upon the fact the past and present Essendon players should never have fronted the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

Which will mean for Watson, a much-loved player, that in the eyes of many football people his Brownlow will remaIn tainted. And the commission should still make a ruling one way or the other. It has been repeatedly stated by this columnist that few believe he deliberately cheated, but that has no bearing in the eyes of the World Anti-Doping Agency.

Therefore the commission's decision to call in Watson to put forward his views would appear to be a formality should his appeal fail. There are simply no grounds for the player to retain the medal for the best-and-fairest footballer of 2012.

Public statements uttered recently by the likes of Luke Beveridge and Kevin Sheedy cast the AFL's attitude to the international drug code in a bad enough light without the competition allowing any room for debate over the Brownlow, however onerous the ultimate task.

Nor would tendering the Brownlow have been an admission of guilt.

Watson could have said as much, simply adding that he believed it was the right thing to do.

And the runners-up that year? The commission's position upon that was originally less clear given that there are precedents in world sport where a medal or champions' cup have been taken away with no alternative winner awarded. But in most of those cases it was because the runners-up have been found guilty or at least been under question, just as in the case of Lance Armstrong's tour victories.

For Sam Mitchell and Trent Cotchin, the reallocation would seem a hollow victory but for history's sake it would be the right thing to do. But for Gillon McLachlan and Mike Fitzpatrick the call will no doubt prove a low point of their time in the game.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/essendon-bombers/jobe-watsons-brownlow-afl-hoped-he-would-hand-back-medal-20160304-gnarvn.html

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Re: Cotchin, Mitchell to receive Watson's Brownlow??
« Reply #131 on: March 05, 2016, 03:08:02 PM »

"He didn't ask to win it," said Kelly, "and he won't be handing it back.


Craig Kelly. Genius rebuttal.
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Re: Cotchin, Mitchell to receive Watson's Brownlow??
« Reply #132 on: March 05, 2016, 03:16:55 PM »
Indeed. Case closed.....
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Re: Cotchin, Mitchell to receive Watson's Brownlow??
« Reply #133 on: March 05, 2016, 05:56:52 PM »
Get this guy to the Middle East to hold peace talks
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Re: Cotchin, Mitchell to receive Watson's Brownlow??
« Reply #134 on: March 22, 2016, 12:50:52 PM »
Cotchin would accept Watson's Brownlow Medal

AFL.com.au
March 22, 2016


RICHMOND midfielder Trent Cotchin says he would accept the 2012 Brownlow Medal if banned Bomber Jobe Watson is forced to surrender the award.

Watson's right to retain the Brownlow was jeopardised when the Court of Arbitration for Sport  in January found 34 past and present Essendon players guilty of an anti-doping violation.

Cotchin and Hawks' midfielder Sam Mitchell finished joint runner-up in the 2012 count four votes behind Watson.

The 25-year-old made his view clear on Channel Nine's Footy Classified on Monday night when he was asked whether he would accept the Brownlow if it were stripped from Watson.

"I think you would have to," Cotchin said.

However, he stressed that it was not something he was focused on.

"Jobe was the best player that season. Until an appeal is heard and then the commission has made a decision, there’s really no point putting any thought into it.

"But at this stage, Jobe played consistent good footy that season.

"I think it’d be a challenging position to be in, because we all know the great person Jobe is."

The AFL Commission will deliberate on whether Watson should retain the medal if the suspended Bombers' appeal to the Swiss Federal Court challenging the CAS guilty decision fails.

Watson had been invited to address the AFL Commission in February on the issue but a decision was delayed once the players decided to appeal their season-long ban for their part in Essendon's 2012 supplements program.

Watson has not spoken publicly since the CAS decision was delivered on January 12.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-22/trent-cotchin-would-accept-2012-brownlow-medal-if-jobe-watson-is-stripped-of-award