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Re: New dry zones to be introduced at MCG games ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2013, 09:36:37 AM »
Beer is the one thing that has made watching Richmond bearable the last 30 years.
Dry areas  :yep total ban  :nope GAGF  :banghead
So true.
I remember sitting in Lindsay Hassett room during the lean years and the most exciting time of the game was to see how many beers you could down during the half time free drinks period.
For some reason the second half was always more enjoyable than the first half.  :lol
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Re: New dry zones to be introduced at MCG games ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2013, 11:45:02 AM »
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So by your logic we should ban booze from weddings, birthdays, pretty much any social event except for clubs/partys where some people go to get tanked?
No need to punish the majority because of a minority

No by my logic booze should be banned at mjor sporting events. AFL, NRL, Cricket, Soccer because it is not needed. Will repeat what are people there to do drink or watch the sport? If you are there to solely to watch the sport and enjoy it why the need for booze?

Weddings, 21st, parties are private functions not public events so if people want to have booze and get tanked amongst family and friends i don't care

But most people wouldn't go to a wedding etc. to get tanked, they'd go for their family/friends.

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Re: New dry zones to be introduced at MCG games ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2013, 11:47:13 AM »
That's all purely subjective and not logic at all. This is why dry bays are a good idea. If you're dead set against drinking at the footy then you can go sit there, and the majority that do the right thing are still free to enjoy a beer while they enjoy the footy.

Should ban food then too. If you are hungry then you should go to a restaurant, not the footy.

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Re: New dry zones to be introduced at MCG games ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2013, 09:29:03 PM »
That's all purely subjective and not logic at all. This is why dry bays are a good idea. If you're dead set against drinking at the footy then you can go sit there, and the majority that do the right thing are still free to enjoy a beer while they enjoy the footy.

Should ban food then too. If you are hungry then you should go to a restaurant, not the footy.

Agree dry bays are a great idea, all for it

But what happens outside the ground when those people who've been drinking and are drunk start harassing people who are heading back to their cars, walking to the train station or back to the city?

Dry bays aren't going to stop that boorish behaviour by drunks


But most people wouldn't go to a wedding etc. to get tanked, they'd go for their family/friends.


Yep true and you could argue some people don't go to the footy to get tanked either but they do don't they  :huh
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Re: New dry zones to be introduced at MCG games ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2013, 10:39:53 PM »
No different from the drunks out and about already coming from any where else. That is unless you ban alcohol from every bar and club within 5km of the MCG.

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Re: New dry zones to be introduced at MCG games ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2013, 07:08:33 AM »
No different from the drunks out and about already coming from any where else. That is unless you ban alcohol from every bar and club within 5km of the MCG.

But I am only talking about the drunks at the footy. How can we limit the damage from that?

Why do we need booze at the footy?

Only reasons people seem to be able to give me is; it's always been there, I like a beer at the footy, why should I be punished because of the behaviour of a minority.

Question I ask is: If booze was banned at the footy would it stop you from going?

If no; then why the angst? It wouldn't matter would it?

And if Yes; then I have to ask are you there for the footy or not?

If you really love going to the footy then people going or not wouldn't care if they serve booze, raspberry cordial, herbal tea or water, they'd still go.

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Re: New dry zones to be introduced at MCG games ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2013, 08:34:25 AM »
I wouldn't drink raspberry cordial or herbal tea.    ;D

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Re: New dry zones to be introduced at MCG games ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2013, 09:48:10 AM »
I wouldn't drink raspberry cordial or herbal tea.    ;D

Exactly!!!!  ;D


Either would I BTW but I still go to the footy  ;)  :gotigers
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Re: New dry zones to be introduced at MCG games ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2013, 10:21:24 AM »
No different from the drunks out and about already coming from any where else. That is unless you ban alcohol from every bar and club within 5km of the MCG.

But I am only talking about the drunks at the footy. How can we limit the damage from that?

Why do we need booze at the footy?

Only reasons people seem to be able to give me is; it's always been there, I like a beer at the footy, why should I be punished because of the behaviour of a minority.

Question I ask is: If booze was banned at the footy would it stop you from going?

If no; then why the angst? It wouldn't matter would it?

And if Yes; then I have to ask are you there for the footy or not?

If you really love going to the footy then people going or not wouldn't care if they serve booze, raspberry cordial, herbal tea or water, they'd still go.

The overwhelming majority of drinkers at the footy do the right thing. Go take it up with the MCG or whatever stadium for selling alcohol to intoxicated people, which is against the law, and stop being so precious. If I'm walking back to my car on Flinders St (where I always park, so I don't drink bar a couple lights anyway) and got belted by some drunk, what's the difference whether they're coming from the footy or from another venue?

I would still go if they banned it, but would join in the stink up about it. Footy punters are a good lot and we only have very few isolated issues and considering our attendance records we are doing very well. I reckon I've copped more abuse from opposition supporters in bars after the footy than actually at the footy. Are you going to keep going to the footy if it's not banned?

At the end of the day it's a non-issue as the overwhelming majority do the right thing. Should ban coffee though, have had more hot coffee spilled on me than beer.

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Re: New dry zones to be introduced at MCG games ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2013, 10:36:03 AM »

Question I ask is: If booze was banned at the footy would it stop you from going?

And if Yes; then I have to ask are you there for the footy or not?


It would stop me, and of course I go for the footy but the booze just makes it a bit more enjoyable. As someone else said, stop selling food there because you're really only going for the footy so no need to eat.

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Re: New dry zones to be introduced at MCG games ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2013, 11:00:01 AM »
The overwhelming majority of drinkers at the footy do the right thing. Go take it up with the MCG or whatever stadium for selling alcohol to intoxicated people, which is against the law, and stop being so precious. If I'm walking back to my car on Flinders St (where I always park, so I don't drink bar a couple lights anyway) and got belted by some drunk, what's the difference whether they're coming from the footy or from another venue?


So just because I have a different view to alot of people and it's a view I hold strongly I am being precious?

I don't think I am, just trying to debate an issue I feel strongly about for what I think are valid reasons. As I said in my very first post on this topic I have held this view for a very long time.   

BTW I took up the issue last year when the scumbag threw a beer in my face with Etihad. Firstly I went straight to security and they did nothing - what a surprise! Said they'd send someone over immediately, no one came

I then spoke to Stadium management over it on the Monday and as part of it I included the very point you raised why are they serving booze to people who are clearly drunk? They told me said they'd investigate it and get back to me. They came back and offered nothing expect for a half hearted apology for any inconvenience.

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Are you going to keep going to the footy if it's not banned?

Of course I will.

I still go now don't I?

Despite being puked on, despite having my elderly Mother almost knocked over by a drunk and then verbally abused using language no one should be subjected to, depsite being "mooned" in Adel by a drunken Port supporter and despite having a beer thrown in my face I still go. I will always go

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At the end of the day it's a non-issue as the overwhelming majority do the right thing. Should ban coffee though, have had more hot coffee spilled on me than beer.

While we are at I reckon tomato sauce should be banned copped my fair share of tomato sauce on the back of the head over the years too and it was a shocker when it got in the old duffle coat 
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Re: New dry zones to be introduced at MCG games ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2013, 12:52:08 PM »
It is being precious because you want to deprive tens of thousands of people who do the right thing week in week out because of a few isolated incidents that have happened to you. Like I said, I'm not there to get sloshed either, just a couple drinks because I enjoy them, and if anything I'm on your side but I'm remaining objective and believe there has to another way. Firstly tightening the rules on serving alcohol to clearly intoxicated people. Some of those incidents you spoke of don't even require someone to be drunk. Unfortunately there are just too many morons around. Beers should be returned to the plastic bottles for starters. They fill the cups to the brim and it takes a special kind of skill not to drip any. At least they give me a lid for my hot chocolates  :banghead

But in all honesty as long as the overwhelming majority are doing the right thing, then no argument needs to be made in order not to go to the extent of banning it altogether. If you want to get it banned then you're the one that will need to come up with a legitimate reason or reasons rather than just subjective ones that come from your personal experience. Personally, I've never had any issues in over 20 years of going to the footy. Though we could be from entirely different backgrounds and deem what is acceptable differently.

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Re: New dry zones to be introduced at MCG games ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2013, 02:08:23 PM »
It is being precious because you want to deprive tens of thousands of people who do the right thing week in week out because of a few isolated incidents that have happened to you.

Yep I gave you examples of what happened to me. You use the argument that you never had issues in 20 years but I wonder if your views would be different if you had?

And believe me it is easy to say it wouldn't make a difference but once it actually happens your mindset can change very quickly.

It wasn't until my Mum almost got knocked over, copped the tirade of abuse and she didn't come the footy for a time that I change my views. When it happened to me I really didn't care the puking, the mooning but once it happened to her my mindset changed dramatically. What if she fallen hit her head? She was lucky I was there to stop her from falling but what if I wasn't?

As I said I don't see it as being precious I see it as believing in something strongly. Personal experience is a great leveller in life

What about all the other incidents? And they are the ones we hear about and the ones we don't hear about

Nathan Jones' (MFC player) father is one we've heard about because of who his son is. He copped a one helluva bashing from drunken louts for what? Why?

But what about the others that we don't know about, hear about?

What about families that no longer go the footy anymore because the behaviour of the "minority"? Do you know any? I know some who simply wont go because of the abusive language that makes them feel threatened, their kids get scared. Is that good for the game? People turning their backs on it?

and if anything I'm on your side but I'm remaining objective and believe there has to another way. Firstly tightening the rules on serving alcohol to clearly intoxicated people. Some of those incidents you spoke of don't even require someone to be drunk.

I would love it if there was another way and I am willing to try anything, seems so many are only prepared to try to a point. Though the things they've tried inthe past have disappeared over time - light beer only anyone?

Increasing the number of dry areas is a start but there is no guarantee that will solve anything. We already have dry areas at grounds but it hasn't stopped the behaviour because there are not enough dry areas.  Have sat in dry areas at grounds and although people may not bring booze into the areas but they will certianly disappear and knock back a couple quickly and come back. Go to geelong and them at work  ;)

And what's a fair split 50/50, 60/40/, 70/30? I would think there would be many who drink at the footy who would say 50/50 isn't fair let alone 60/40 or 70/30

Agree 100% that the first thing they should do is tighten the rules regarding serving booze to those already drunk. Has to be the minimum but I doubt the vendors would have the courage because all they are interested in is making a buck

As for the situations I've had to put up with the facts are in each the person was drunk. There is no hiding that and there is a strong case to say that if they weren't drunk then the incidents wouldn't have happened. Honestly, I don't believe the puking would have happened if the bloke hadn't been drunk, ditto the throwing of the beer last year, same with the bloke almost barrelling over my Mother because he could barely stand up, granted the verbal abuse is subjective but the staggering around was booze driven.

As for the mooning by the Port bloke you are correct no need for being drunk with those ferals  ;D

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But in all honesty as long as the overwhelming majority are doing the right thing, then no argument needs to be made in order not to go to the extent of banning it altogether. If you want to get it banned then you're the one that will need to come up with a legitimate reason or reasons rather than just subjective ones that come from your personal experience. Personally, I've never had any issues in over 20 years of going to the footy. Though we could be from entirely different backgrounds and deem what is acceptable differently.

Does doing the right thing include sitting back and letting the "drunken minority" do the wrong thing without consequence and then laugh it off as being funny? Or is that another minority.... Arguments can be made for so many situations and I am going off on another tangent and it's a discussion for another day ;D

But back on the original topic?

 I suppose what I want to know is how many people need to put up their hands and say this has happened to me and it needs to be changed? How many incidents per game do we need or do we need someone to actually get seriosuly injured before we say we need to be a helluva lot tougher?

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Re: New dry zones to be introduced at MCG games ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2013, 03:01:47 PM »
I've seen circumstances when people would fight at the footy but no one had touched alcohol and I knew they hadn't for a fact. I'm a strong believer that alcohol doesn't cause violence, violent people cause violence

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Re: New dry zones to be introduced at MCG games ...... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2013, 03:13:05 PM »
I've seen circumstances when people would fight at the footy but no one had touched alcohol and I knew they hadn't for a fact. I'm a strong believer that alcohol doesn't cause violence, violent people cause violence

Fair call in a lot of cases

But I also know people that when they don't drink are the most placid people in the world and are not violent

But when the same people are drunk they are thugs and are violent
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