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Re: Hardwick calls the goal review system a joke
« Reply #75 on: April 29, 2013, 12:47:31 PM »
Here's video of all 4 incidents this weekend - Billie Smedts and Jarryd Roughead hitting/not hitting the post, Luke Bruest at the G yesterday and, of course, the debacle on Friday night with Matty White.

http://video.news.com.au/2382128735/Goal-review-system-hits-new-low

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Re: Hardwick calls the goal review system a joke
« Reply #76 on: April 29, 2013, 02:34:20 PM »
The joke will remain in its current farcial format

From the AFL site

Video review system not perfect, but set to stay: AFL
By Adam McNicol
1:43pm AEST Monday, April 29, 2013

THE AFL's controversial video score review system is set to remain in place until a suitable high-tech replacement can be found.

The system has repeatedly come under fire this season, with the vision used to review scores often providing inconclusive, especially when used to determine whether a shot has been touched or has crossed the line.

"There are two options, really, for this year - you can either run the system that we have got or you can get rid of it and just go back to the goal umpire's call," AFL football operations general manager Mark Evans said on Monday.

"At the moment, the system provides the opportunity for us to reverse something that was a very clear error.

"The issue for us that we're monitoring, and we'll need to watch across the rest of the season, is that there appears to be far more inconclusive episodes this year than there was last year."

'Non-review' was wrong: AFL

Asked whether the current system was guaranteed to last out the season, Evans said: "No. I'd say we'll keep watching where we're going at the moment.

"(But) if it's going to reduce the error rate by (getting rid of) the absolute shockers, then I think it stays while we assess other options."

The League is currently involved in a global search to try and find a long-term system for score reviews.

"My personal view is that micro-chipping the ball will lead us down a path towards as better solution," Evans said.

"But there are other systems that are camera-based systems … others that use a magnetic force.

"In terms of what we can do, we've certainly contacted some technology providers in the past, and I think there'll be a technology solution over time.

"None of them, at the moment, correctly identify where the ball is in flight, whether it's been touched off the boot, whether it's gone left or right of the post.

"So we'll keep working with some of those providers to see if there's a better system for us."

As for when new technology might be introduced: "That's dependent on when we can find the right technology, first of all, then you'd need to have an appropriate time-period where that's tested.

"So I don't think it'll anytime soon."

Finding a score review system that is affordable is a key challenge for the AFL.

"There's a new system that's about to come in place for soccer – Goal Connect – and they're talking a fit-out of $250,000 per stadium and a $2,000 to $4,000 fee per match," Evans said.

"The question for us is: does it actually suit our purposes or not? So we'll talk to those people and perhaps even see if they can come out and run a trial for us."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-29/video-review-system-not-perfect-but-set-to-stay-afl
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Re: Hardwick calls the goal review system a joke
« Reply #77 on: April 29, 2013, 02:59:38 PM »
Guarantee you that a high tech replacement will be found as soon as the current system causes Gold Coast or GWS from winning a game/making finals :thumbsdown:

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Re: Hardwick calls the goal review system a joke
« Reply #78 on: April 29, 2013, 03:04:21 PM »
get rid of it.

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Re: Hardwick calls the goal review system a joke
« Reply #79 on: April 29, 2013, 03:31:37 PM »
If the AFL didn't have to pay for it the high tech replacment would be in place tomorrow morning before I have my Weet-bix
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Tigers weren't denied a goal: Gieschen (afl site)
« Reply #80 on: April 29, 2013, 05:46:43 PM »
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Tigers weren't denied a goal: Gieschen

By Adam McNicol
afl.com.au
3:51pm AEST Monday, April 29, 2013



AFL UMPIRES manager Jeff Gieschen is adamant that the goal umpire who appeared to deny Richmond a goal late in the Tigers' one-point loss to Fremantle on Friday night did nothing wrong.

The umpire was standing against the goal post when a shot from Richmond's Matthew White struck him in the leg.

The ball rebounded off the umpire and was rushed through for a behind by Freo's Stephen Hill.

Tigers coach Damien Hardwick was furious after the match, believing the goal umpire was in the wrong place and should have called for a score review to check whether the ball crossed the line before striking him.

But Gieschen is happy with the way the umpire handled the situation.

"He was extremely confident, and that's the reason why he didn't call for a score review," Gieschen said on Monday.

"The goal umpire knew exactly where it hit him and where he was in relation to the line.

"The field umpire, who was down in a good position to see where it was as well, also believed it hadn't crossed the line, and there was a boundary umpire down there as well.

"So there was no doubt in any of the umpires' minds … (about whether) that ball had crossed the line. They all believed it hadn't – it stayed in play."

As for whether a video score review should have taken place anyway, Gieschen said: "Possibly, one of our score review people could've said, 'This is an interesting one, it 's quite close, let's have a look.'

"But they've only got a short period of time to make up their mind on that as well."

The incident at Patersons Stadium has ignited much discussion about whether goal umpires should be encouraged to straddle the goal-line or should stand further back.

The AFL's new general manager of football operations has asked Gieschen to look into it.

"I would think that first of all we need to get it so that the ball doesn't hit the umpire in the first place," Evans said on Monday morning.

"If the ball's rolling towards him, is there a position that the goal umpire can take so he doesn't actually come onto the field of play?"

But Gieschen is not convinced that a change is necessary.

"They do that because they want to try and adjudicate accurately touched balls on the line," he said.

"If they're not on the line people are going to say, 'Why aren't they on the line?'

"If they are on the line they run the risk of getting hit a few times and that's exactly what happened on the weekend."

The League is aiming to find a high-tech system to aid the goal umpires in the future.

Introducing two goal umpires has been thrown up as a stop-gap measure, but that has all but been ruled out.

"A goal umpire, right now, can be in the perfect position underneath the post and still not get that slight deflection off the post," Evans said.

"Having two goal umpires won't solve that; having two goal umpires won't solve whether the ball has been touched off the boot or touched in flight.

"It may assist as to whether the ball has crossed the line, but we need to try and progress towards a system – if we're going to spend money on a system – that eradicates this problem for supporters."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-29/tigers-werent-denied-gieschen

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Re: Hardwick calls the goal review system a joke
« Reply #82 on: April 29, 2013, 05:54:50 PM »
Well Giesch while your boys are confident they got it right

I am equally confident in saying that they stuffed up big time and the ball definitely crossed the bloody line

They didn't get it right because they failed the game by letting their collective egos get in the way of calling for a review when there was clearly to everyone else at least enough evidence to suggest there was doubt

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Re: Hardwick calls the goal review system a joke
« Reply #83 on: April 29, 2013, 05:57:02 PM »
wow that was a surprising response by the nob nibbler

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Re: Hardwick calls the goal review system a joke
« Reply #84 on: April 29, 2013, 06:22:54 PM »
Was Giesch the Hutt ever going to call it any different?  ::)

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Re: Hardwick calls the goal review system a joke
« Reply #85 on: April 29, 2013, 06:25:45 PM »
An. Andy wonders why people send him death threats
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Re: Hardwick calls the goal review system a joke
« Reply #86 on: April 29, 2013, 07:02:16 PM »
I just cant watch that replay anymore!!!!!
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Re: Hardwick calls the goal review system a joke
« Reply #87 on: April 29, 2013, 07:26:12 PM »
So let's compare.

In cricket, they have cameras at right angles to the pitch for run outs and cameras in the stumps.
They also have microphones in the pitch and somehow have "snicko" for touches between bat and ball.
For every ball played in a six hour, five day match.

In tennis, they have cameras and "hawkeye" telemetry to judge whether a ball is in or out - on every serve and shot in a five set match.

Note that in both cricket and tennis there is a system where players can call for a (video) review.

In football, with a billion dollar budget the AFL cannot even put a camera on the goal line even though they have a post on that line for about a hundred shots a game.

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Re: Hardwick calls the goal review system a joke
« Reply #88 on: April 30, 2013, 07:56:29 AM »
Geisch is a troglodyte, why aren't they conducting dna experiments on him to prove he is the missing link?
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Re: Hardwick calls the goal review system a joke
« Reply #89 on: April 30, 2013, 08:56:40 AM »
So there was no mistake because the umpires backed themselves?

You're a Maffra boy like myself Giesch, but fair dinkum, you're a bell end.

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