Author Topic: Cotchin - Flag and I'm done  (Read 2935 times)

Offline Yeahright

  • Moderator
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 9394

Offline Rodgerramjet

  • OER - CONTRIBUTOR
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 2001
  • Never cast pearls before swine.
Re: Cotchin - Flag and I'm done
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2013, 08:43:40 PM »
Not a very bright thing to have said i wouldn't think especially being the captain also.

My question is does he really want to be playing the game. We certainly don't need a captain or player for that matter that whose heart isn't in it.
The lips of Wisdom are closed, except to the ears of Understanding.

Offline Phil Mrakov

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 8213
  • They said I could be anything so I became Phil
Re: Cotchin - Flag and I'm done
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2013, 08:46:49 PM »
Oh no he didn't
hhhaaarrgghhh hhhhaaarrggghhh hhhhaaaarrrggghh
HHAAARRRGGGHHHH HHHHAAARRRGGGHHHH HHHHHAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHH

Offline tigs2011

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 5517
Re: Cotchin - Flag and I'm done
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2013, 08:50:28 PM »
Trade the prick.

Offline Yeahright

  • Moderator
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 9394
Re: Cotchin - Flag and I'm done
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2013, 08:53:25 PM »
We certainly don't need a captain or player for that matter that whose heart isn't in it.

Think if winning a premiership is a reason his playing, then I'd say his heart is in it as much if not more than other players. It's either money or premierships

Offline Go Richo 12

  • Richmond tragic, bleeding heart, hopeless cricketer and terrible fisherman.
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 5403
Re: Cotchin - Flag and I'm done
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2013, 08:55:50 PM »
I read the article also. Will reserve judgement until i read the whole lot, not just selected excerpts from a book as it may be taken out of context.
If quoted in context then i find it puzzling for him to say that. I would take a flag in the next three years even Cotch does retire.

Offline Phil Mrakov

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 8213
  • They said I could be anything so I became Phil
Re: Cotchin - Flag and I'm done
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2013, 08:58:01 PM »
Must be the missers pulling the strings
hhhaaarrgghhh hhhhaaarrggghhh hhhhaaaarrrggghh
HHAAARRRGGGHHHH HHHHAAARRRGGGHHHH HHHHHAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHH

Hellenic Tiger

  • Guest
Re: Cotchin - Flag and I'm done
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2013, 09:04:00 PM »
Reckon might be a ploy. Something to do with his contract.
Realistically what is more likely to happen.
Cotchin playing through his career till he retires at 30 something with some finals but nothing substantial from a club perspective or
We win a flag by 2017/18 and the kid retires at 28.

I am sure the kid will be with us for a long time and the kid is giving other clubs food for thought to not consider him based on these comments as he wishes to remain a one club player.

Why retire at the peak of your powers?
« Last Edit: May 22, 2013, 09:43:05 PM by Tuckerbag »

Rampstar

  • Guest
Re: Cotchin - Flag and I'm done
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2013, 09:10:42 PM »
If he leads us to a flag inside 3 years then Id be happy for him to call it a day and move on in his life if thats what he wants to do but I get the feeling that if holds up the tin mug once on the last day of September that he will get the burning desire to hold it up for a 2nd or even 3rd time.

Offline WilliamPowell

  • Administrator
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 40263
  • Better to ignore a fool than encourage one
    • One Eyed Richmond
Re: Cotchin - Flag and I'm done
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2013, 09:34:00 PM »
Full article as it appears right now on the Age


Flag and I'm done: Cotchin
Date
May 23, 2013
Emma Quayle
Football writer with The Age

A Richmond premiership in the next few years would prompt Trent Cotchin to consider retirement, even if only in his mid-20s.


While determined to help shape the Tigers into a successful side and close to signing a new contract, Cotchin has spoken candidly of the enormous physical effort it takes to play in the AFL, and his doubts that his body will be up to a long career

The 23-year-old was challenged by injury during his first few years at Richmond, an experience that made him think more about the life he wanted to build outside football, and he has never really enjoyed the all-consuming nature of the football scene.

''I love footy and I love how it challenges you in some way, every single day. I love trying to help the team any way I can and I love how it helps you meet people and learn all sorts of things you wouldn't have been exposed to,'' Cotchin said. ''But I'm looking forward to it being over as well. I reckon if we won a premiership in the next three years I'd pretty much be done.''

Cotchin reflected on the first five years of his career in the updated edition of The Draft, a book that followed him, Cyril Rioli, Ben McEvoy, Brad Ebert and Patrick Veszpremi through their final season of junior football in 2007.

The Tigers' pick at No. 2, he was placed on the long-term injury list soon after arriving at the club. Despite making a 17-game debut in 2008, persistent problems with both Achilles made him question his resilience.

It took more than two years for him to play pain-free, and that experience is one of the reasons he is an advocate for shorter pre-seasons, believing the physical and mental demands of today's players do not encourage long careers.

''It was horrible … when I got there it was football, football, football and pretty much from day one I was doubting myself and whether I'd be able to play the game or perform like I wanted to,'' Cotchin said. ''I wasn't able to train like I needed to train, let alone play, so I didn't know if I was going to be physically up to it and the game changed for me then. It made me think, maybe it's not healthy to only be about footy.''

Rioli was drafted by Hawthorn at No. 12 in 2007, and in the book reveals his frustration at playing poorly in last year's grand final. The youngest member of Hawthorn's 2008 premiership side, Rioli was well held by Nick Smith against the Swans.

''I was trying to drive myself but I think I sort of turned my toes up. I didn't leave any regrets out there but I let my head drop, because it just wasn't happening. Nothing worked,'' he said.

''It hurts a lot and the only thing that gets you through is that there are a lot worse things that happen in life. But it's driven me, ever since. It's pretty much what's pushing me along, wanting to get back there again soon.''

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/flag-and-im-done-cotchin-20130522-2k1a0.html#ixzz2U1JhmfX6
« Last Edit: May 22, 2013, 10:01:15 PM by WilliamPowell »
"Oh yes I am a dreamer, I still see us flying high!"

from the song "Don't Walk Away" by Pat Benatar 1988 (Wide Awake In Dreamland)

Offline WilliamPowell

  • Administrator
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 40263
  • Better to ignore a fool than encourage one
    • One Eyed Richmond
Re: Cotchin - Flag and I'm done
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2013, 09:34:42 PM »
"Would consider" is not exactly saying "I'm done"

 ::)
"Oh yes I am a dreamer, I still see us flying high!"

from the song "Don't Walk Away" by Pat Benatar 1988 (Wide Awake In Dreamland)

Offline WilliamPowell

  • Administrator
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 40263
  • Better to ignore a fool than encourage one
    • One Eyed Richmond
Re: Cotchin - Flag and I'm done
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2013, 09:44:02 PM »
There is also a 2nd article which is more about Emma's book but focuses on Cotch
==============

Turning their fields of dreams into reality
Date
May 23, 2013
Emma Quayle
Football writer with The Age

For five young guns, there has been plenty of hard work.

There was a party at Trent Cotchin's place on the day he was drafted, six years ago. He was 17 and he had reached the end - the end of the hard work, the end of all the hoping, the end of a very long wait. So much effort had gone into making the moment his name was called out by Richmond happen, but the second it did something new started. Trent snuck off to bed early that night, while everyone else kept celebrating. His mind was churning: what would training be like? How soon would he play? How many games would he play? How would it all turn out?

Trent was one of five boys I followed through 2007, for a book called The Draft. He started the year as a possible No. 1 pick, with things to live up to already. Ben McEvoy lived on a farm and travelled hours each week to train and play. Brad Ebert had football in his blood, and so did Cyril Rioli, though some couldn't figure 'Junior' out: he was brilliant, yes, but how badly did he want it? Patrick Veszpremi needed to get fit, to convince recruiters he could run, and had an injured shoulder that needed surgery. All five wanted the same thing - to get drafted - but were going after it from different angles.

The day after the draft, I started writing and by the time the book was done three months later, all five of the boys had become footballers, grown ups. It seemed to happen so quickly. There was still a bit of naivety - Ben would set two alarms each night, to make sure he was never late and the first time Pat went to a supermarket on his own in Sydney he had no idea what to buy, so he went home, checked the pantry to see what his teammates ate, then turned back around. But football had changed for all of them, it's kept changing in the six years since.

All five are the same people they were back then. It would be nice to see things as clearly as Trent, to know exactly what you want. I love the way Ben is able to step back from the at-times absurd world he lives in, and consider it so sensibly. Pat brightens up your day the second you see him and Junior is as humble as he always was, which is why I think people (then and now) seem to always want more from him. He will never talk himself up. Brad was always very curious and conscious of others.

The one thing that has happened is that their worlds have naturally expanded. Trent and Junior are both engaged. Ben has bought his own farm. Pat picked up the phone at the end of last year and called his dad, who he had not seen for years. Brad had always seemed destined to play for Port Adelaide, given his family's long history there. But there was much more to his trade there from West Coast two years ago. He had to think about where he would play his best football. His sister was unwell, and he wanted to be home, helping. But his girlfriend was from Perth. If he moved, what would it mean for them?

All five talk about how physically demanding the game is, how challenging it can be to wake up in the morning and think: 'I have to do that all again?' Pat was a boy when he went to Sydney and thought he was going there to play footy, but suddenly it was about what he weighed, what he ate, trying to get his head around what the coaches wanted and dealing with his own insecurities. Junior, who could barely be bothered with draft camp - the recruiters thought he was disinterested; he wanted to kick a footy around, not taken written tests - has had to painstakingly reconstruct his running style to help his hamstrings cope, and walking into team meetings he still feels a little overwhelmed by how much work there is left to do. Against bigger, stronger, older opponents in his early games Ben felt helpless.

Then there is Trent. He went to Richmond wanting to make a bright start, and couldn't.

He was put on the long-term injury list almost as soon as he got there and wondered if his body was going to let him do what he wanted it to. He is only 23 but he can already see not only the finish line, but the things that will be there: wife, teenage kids, a house at Flinders, a few businesses and charities on the go.

Like the others, he finds the game physically hard, and relentless. He loves the constant challenges - beating the player beside him, being a good captain, helping his team improve - but is already looking forward to it being over.

It's a tough game and it's all they ever wanted to do but no matter how much work they do, they can still never completely control their story. Ben probably puts it best of all. Football ''gives you so much,'' he said, ''and it can absolutely shatter you.''

The Draft, by Emma Quayle, is available now through Penguin Books. rrp: $22.95


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/turning-their-fields-of-dreams-into-reality-20130522-2k18s.html#ixzz2U1M4quyX
"Oh yes I am a dreamer, I still see us flying high!"

from the song "Don't Walk Away" by Pat Benatar 1988 (Wide Awake In Dreamland)

Offline torch

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 5339
  • 28YrM&8YrMRC 🏆🏆🏆 ‘17, ‘19-‘20; 2 x Attendee 🐯
Re: Cotchin - Flag and I'm done
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2013, 09:48:03 PM »
Why would you come out and say that?

dwaino

  • Guest
Re: Cotchin - Flag and I'm done
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2013, 09:54:57 PM »
Gee whiz.

Though Swan said he didn't want to have a long career either.

Rampstar

  • Guest
Re: Cotchin - Flag and I'm done
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2013, 10:02:44 PM »
Im not really understanding why our supporters seem to be so "cut" about what Cotch said. It seems fair enough to me.