Luke McGuane signals intention to go to Lions (afl site)

[tigs2011]

Since when does quitting your club equal delisted? 

Can we get Dangerfield to quit Adelaide next year and become a delisted free agent?

[WilliamPowell]

Since when does quitting your club equal delisted? 

Can we get Dangerfield to quit Adelaide next year and become a delisted free agent?

McGuane is still on our list until 31 October, that's when his contract expires or until he is officially de-listed by the Tigers and we haven't officially done anything on the de-listing front

Players can "quit" their clubs but until they are officially removed from a list then they are technically still a listed player

So yes Dangerfiled can "quit"Adel next year when his contract expires and if they can't do a deal (subject to him not being a FA) then once he is de-listed he would become a de-listed free agent

[Phil Mrakov]

I'd like to re rookie him

[Penelope]

Since when does quitting your club equal delisted? 

Can we get Dangerfield to quit Adelaide next year and become a delisted free agent?

McGuane is still on our list until 31 October, that's when his contract expires or until he is officially de-listed by the Tigers and we haven't officially done anything on the de-listing front

Players can "quit" their clubs but until they are officially removed from a list then they are technically still a listed player

So yes Dangerfiled can "quit"Adel next year when his contract expires and if they can't do a deal (subject to him not being a FA) then once he is de-listed he would become a de-listed free agent

if dangerfield quit adelaide then he would not become a free agent.

Players delisted by a club are unrestricted free agents but a player who retires or delists himself is not eligible to be a free agent.

http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency

So, by that criteria, if the club offered Mcguane a contract and he turned it down, then he is not a delisted free agent.

If he was not offered a contract, then he is a delisted free agent.

[WilliamPowell]

Players delisted by a club are unrestricted free agents but a player who retires or delists himself is not eligible to be a free agent.

http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency

So, by that criteria, if the club offered Mcguane a contract and he turned it down, then he is not a delisted free agent.

If he was not offered a contract, then he is a delisted free agent.

I don't read it that way because it doesn't mention what happens if a player is offered a contract and doesn't accept it.

McGuane hasn't de-listed himself, hasn't retired and currently is still on our list so I take it to mean he will become de-listed free agent once the club de-lists him.

And that's the logic I applied regarding the Dangerfield scenario

[Penelope]

If it works that way then it will be real easy clubs and players to circumnavigate the whole system of free agency.

To me its pretty straight forward. If they are not offered a contract then they are a delisted free agent.

If they get offered a contract but reject it, then they have delisted themselves, which means they are not a free agent.

[WilliamPowell]

If it works that way then it will be real easy clubs and players to circumnavigate the whole system of free agency.

To me its pretty straight forward. If they are not offered a contract then they are a delisted free agent.

If they get offered a contract but reject it, then they have delisted themselves, which means they are not a free agent.

Understand what you are saying but clearly as it stands right now come Friday he will be de-listed free agent.

I still don't quite understand how declining a contract equates to de-listing yourself if the rules don't categorical state that.

Maybe that's why he will be a de-listed FA because the wording is "vague" and open to interpretation 

Seeing we are talking about the AFL here maybe the wording of the rules needs some tweaking 

[Penelope]

what is delisting yourself then?

[one-eyed]

Richmond swingman Luke McGuane close to signing new deal with Brisbane

    Greg Davis
    From: The Courier-Mail
    October 30, 2013

RICHMOND swingman Luke McGuane could be a Brisbane Lion before the end of the week.

The 26-year-old is set to call the Gabba home when the AFL’s delisted free agents period gets underway.

Brisbane put talks with McGuane on the backburner during the three-week trade period but will look to secure the Gold Coast junior before the start of pre-season training on November 5.

McGuane played 105 senior games at Tigerland since his AFL debut in 2006 and at 192cm tall, will provide Brisbane with invaluable versatility at either end of the ground.

“He is very mobile, athletic and competitive,’’ Lions football manager Dean Warren said.

“He’ll be a good acquisition for the footy club. He knows Leppa’s gameplan well and he is a Queenslander who wants to come home too.’’.

McGuane has made a habit of following new Brisbane senior coach Justin Leppitsch.

The two worked together at Richmond when Leppitsch was defensive coach for three seasons.

Leppitsch’s move to Tigers forwards coach in 2013 coincided with McGuane being swung into the forward with good effect.

He booted three goals and took eight marks against the Lions in Richmond’s 23-point win at the MCG in Round 20 last season when he made 12 appearances for the Tigers.

“Since he (Leppitsch) first walked in the door (at Richmond) he was my backline coach and we struck up a good relationship there, and he went to offensive coach when I went forward so we have been together pretty much since our time at the Tigers together,” McGuane said.

“I spoke to Leppa and it wasn’t out of the question (that I join) the Brisbane Lions so I just thought if I’m going to go for that chance, I’ve got to go home while the chance is there.”

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-swingman-luke-mcguane-close-to-signing-new-deal-with-brisbane/story-fndv8d6r-1226749211293

[WilliamPowell]

what is delisting yourself then?

Bloody good question. I'm not sure TBBH, wonder if the AFLPA knows, or by extension the players know 100%.

Seriously, I don't know how a player can "de-list" themselves other than walking out mid contract and refusing to play for their club.

MGuane isn't the first player to be offered a new contract, decline it and then leave his club. The only thing that's different these days is the new era of Free Agency. And FA is supposed to make life easier for players to get to new clubs.

That's one of the reasons we now have this "de-listed Free Agent" category as opposed to de-listed players having to nominate for the drafts to try and get back on an AFL list

[tiga]

I kind of feel sorry for him. He isn't that bad a player. With Brisbane doing a "Look...yeah...nah" about him, doesn't sound very promising.

[Penelope]

what is delisting yourself then?

Bloody good question. I'm not sure TBBH, wonder if the AFLPA knows, or by extension the players know 100%.

Seriously, I don't know how a player can "de-list" themselves other than walking out mid contract and refusing to play for their club.

MGuane isn't the first player to be offered a new contract, decline it and then leave his club. The only thing that's different these days is the new era of Free Agency. And FA is supposed to make life easier for players to get to new clubs.

That's one of the reasons we now have this "de-listed Free Agent" category as opposed to de-listed players having to nominate for the drafts to try and get back on an AFL list

Would martin have been a fee agent had he not accepted the clubs offer?

Did the club actually offer a contract to mcguanne?
Richardson said the only player they wanted to keep but lost was white.

[WilliamPowell]

Would martin have been a fee agent had he not accepted the clubs offer?

Again good question and again I am not sure. But based on how I read what the AFL have issued regarding FA (and I think this is where we differ) if he had ended up being de-listed because they couldn't get a trade done for him then yes I think he would have been.

Because the way I read it is all players that are de-listed automatically become free agents and can be signed by any club between 1st Nov & just before the Nat Draft.

Unless the number of years on the system as something to do with it because in the case of Crameri it was said if the trade didn;'t go through he would gone to the Dogs via the PSD, there was no mention of him being a FA.

Did the club actually offer a contract to mcguanne?

The answer based on interviews/news reports with Luke that appear earlier in this thread the answer is yes they did - twice

[WilliamPowell]

Here's a list of "de-listed" free agents per the AFL website both McGuane & Nahas listed with a *:

***Interesting thing in the article says that Laidler "removed himself from the list" at Carlton but he is named as a Free Agent***. So does that mean he delisted himself?  If he did based on what al posted that would mean he shouldn't qualify as a FA...doesn't it?  Talk about confusing 

Delisted free agents: full list to date:

*Not yet officially delisted but have signalled intention to leave club.

Richmond
Luke McGuane*
Robin Nahas*
 
Adelaide
Ian Callinan
Nick Joyce
Tim Klaosen
Tim McIntyre
Dylan Orval
 
Brisbane Lions
Callum Bartlett
Aaron Cornelius
Niall McKeever
Stephen Wrigley
Richard Newell
 
Carlton
Andrew Collins
Fraser Dale
Marcus Davies
Aaron Joseph
Jeremy Laidler
Patrick McCarthy
Luke Mitchell
Rhys O'Keeffe
 
Collingwood
Alan Didak
Michael Hartley
Darren Jolly
Andrew Krakouer
Ben Richmond
Jordan Russell
 
Essendon
Luke Davis
Hal Hunter
 
Fremantle
Jesse Crichton
Peter Faulks
Alex Forster
Alex Howson
Haiden Schloithe
 
Geelong
Ryan Bathie
Cameron Eardley
 
Gold Coast
Jacob Gilbee
Kyal Horsley
Liam Patrick
Maverick Weller
Joel Wilkinson
 
Greater Western Sydney
Josh Growden
Setanta O'hAilpin
Joe Redfern
Bret Thornton
Gerald Ugle
 
Hawthorn
Andrew Boseley
Amos Frank
 
Melbourne
Tom Couch
Troy Davis
Tom Gillies
James Magner
James Sellar
Nathan Stark
Rory Taggert
Josh Tynan
 
North Melbourne
Jordan Gysberts
Ayden Kennedy
Ben Mabon
Cameron Richardson
Will Sierakowski
Ben Speight
 
Port Adelaide
Nathan Blee
Danny Butcher
Justin Hoskin
Darren Pfeiffer
Nick Salter
Daniel Stewart
Matt Thomas
 
 
St Kilda
Tom Ledger
Jay Lever
Jordan Staley
 
Sydney Swans
Alex Brown
 
West Coast
Nil
 
Western Bulldogs
Dylan Addison
Nick Lower
Lukas Markovic
Patrick Veszpremi

Full article:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-30/looking-for-a-new-home

[dwaino]

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