Picks 12, 50 and 66???

[one-eyed]

It is now looking like pick 12, 49 and 56 according to the latest draft pick standings.

Rookie elevations start up around pick 49.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-12/draft-order

We have the last 'live' pick at 66 in the draft.

As you say wayne, our last two 'live' picks are more like 49 & 56 when you take out all the rookie elevations and zone selections.

The full finalised draft order is here: http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=18763.0

[torch]

Who have we been linked to take with our later picks?

[one-eyed]

Phantom Draft: November Edition

by Paige Cardona
scpaige.com.au
November 14, 2013

Full phantom draft: http://www.scpaige.com.au/phantom-draft-november-edition/

Our picks ....

Pick 12 – RICHMOND

Ben Lennon

Club: Northern Knights
D.O.B.: 5.7.1995
Height: 188cm
Weight: 77kg
Position: Medium Forward/Utility
Plays Like: Dayne Beams

With talent like this available, Ben Lennon will not get past the Tigers here at pick 12, which is an absolute gift at this selection. Lennon initially trained with Richmond for a week earlier this year, as part of his AFL-AIS club placement, and the Tigers were immediately impressed with what they saw, however believed they would not be in the draft earlier enough to see him return to the Tigers once more.  Lennon however, is the best offensive player in this year’s draft pool, and offensive weapon who is as dangerous as he is damaging – Lennon is an extraordinary talent. Although he’s had his critics, Lennon has saluted and executed everything asked of him this season, in what has been a demonstration of his character, work ethic and desire to compete at the next level. In the past Lennon has been comfortable off half forward, where his speed, agility and incredible marking game and a long, long penetrating kick have served him well, recruiters dared him to take his game to the next level and push up into the midfield, and towards the end of the TAC Cup season, Lennon didn’t disappoint. The move did Lennon wonders, averaging 28 disposals and two goals a game, it bought out areas of Lennon’s game that perhaps hadn’t been exposed, such as his vision, awareness and ability to really link up and prove a damaging kick going inside 50. Lennon’s strengths are his kicking and his marking, and he’s also been discussed as a player who can play a variety of roles, even off half back where some recruiters really fancy him.  Lennon’s versatility means that he could prove to have some serious x-factor. He offers excitement, passion and can really turn the momentum of games with one act of brilliance. Lennon was also a three-way joint winner of the clean hands test, and rated highly in the kick rating testing at the combine, whilst also averaging 28 disposals playing for Vic Metro in the championships this year.

Other Prospects: It’s really a best available basis here for Richmond, and they’ll get their hands on one of the top 10 sliders, which looms to be Lennon. Christian Salem was originally thought to have been available here, but that looks to have diminished. Some recruiters believe that Matthew Scharenberg or Marcus Bontempelli could be available at pick 12 – which is hard to fathom given their high interest further up the pecking order.



Pick 50 – RICHMOND

Riley Knight

Club: Woodville West Torrens
D.O.B.: 27.3.1995
Height: 180cm
Weight: 72kg
Position: Medium Midfielder/Utility
Plays Like: Kieran Harper

Riley Knight’s appetite for the ball almost goes unmeasured, in that he just knows how to hunt and attack the ball, always moving into the best places. More of an outside player than anything, Knight is a classy goal-kicking midfielder who has some toe. Brilliant two-way runner, Knight racks up a lot of the ball, and uses it effectively, and has a huge desire to lay plenty of tackles. He’s got speed and endurance, but I get the feeling he might do a Nick Graham and slide into the third or fourth rounds despite being rated higher. Knight has some serious toe and agility that would be more than welcome at Richmond.



Pick 66 – RICHMOND

Will Maginness

Team: Oakleigh Chargers
D.O.B: 13.1.995
Height: 182
Weight: 75kgs
Position: Medium Midfielder/Forward
Plays Like: Jarrad McVeigh

Although slight, Will Maginness’ commitment to the cause cannot be questioned; his courage, hardness and ferocity at the ball is what makes him really stand out. The Oakleigh Co-Captain has had a good season at TAC Cup Level in between APS commitments and the National Championships, and has been the cornerstone of the Chargers’ year, despite not making finals. Although not quite an inside midfielder, Maginness is a stoppage specialist – his clearances and pressure acts make him a terrific prospect at the draft table come November. Maginness offers plenty on the outside, especially off a half back where his line-breaking runs cut through the opposition, taking the game on – Maginness can really fire his team up, and ignite his side with some inspirational run-and-carry. Not to be underpined as a one-dimensional player, Maginness has shown enormous ability to play in a number of roles, excelling off a half back flank, and resting forward where his ability to play as a defensive forward, yet can still offer a minor ability to kick goals.

Read the full phantom draft at: http://www.scpaige.com.au/phantom-draft-november-edition/

[torch]

Would like Richmond to take Jansen at Pick 50.

Jared Jansen

Another big bodied 18 year-old, who is right to go for round 1 next year in Jared Jansen. Jansen – best described as a raging bull -will make the transition into a permanent midfielder with an insatiable appetite to hunt the ball and throw his weight around. Jansen thrives on the contested ball, and is a pressure player who doesn’t stop in his attack for the sherrin, unless he gains position. Dirty if he doesn’t stick a tackle, Jansen is a players player, and reminds me a lot of Jobe Watson.

[torch]

Would like Richmond to take Cameron at Pick 66.

Charlie Cameron

Cameron is physical and unforgiving and really prides himself on his high work rate and defensive pressure and one percenters that otherwise don’t count on the stats sheet. Cameron is best described as bull-at-a-gate small forward, he pounces on anything that hits the deck and loves to set upon the ball carrier, wrapping him up in a hard tackle or doing enough to force the ball out of his possession to put his team into attack. What you get with Cameron is a player who really gives multiple efforts, yet makes the most of his opportunities when they arise. Cameron is quick, clean and can sink goals from the tightest of angles.

[taztiger4]

Would like Richmond to take Cameron at Pick 66.

Charlie Cameron

Cameron is physical and unforgiving and really prides himself on his high work rate and defensive pressure and one percenters that otherwise don’t count on the stats sheet. Cameron is best described as bull-at-a-gate small forward, he pounces on anything that hits the deck and loves to set upon the ball carrier, wrapping him up in a hard tackle or doing enough to force the ball out of his possession to put his team into attack. What you get with Cameron is a player who really gives multiple efforts, yet makes the most of his opportunities when they arise. Cameron is quick, clean and can sink goals from the tightest of angles.

Rookie at best i reckon

[mightytiges]

Whatever happens with our later picks, it's going to be a bonus if we find a long-term AFL player. Our record even over recent times has been non-existent with only Arnie remaining on our list.

2006:
58. Daniel Connors
60. Carl Petersen
73. Andrew Collins

2007:
51. Dean Putt

2008:
58. Tom Hislop

2009:
51. Troy Taylor
67. Jeromey Webberley
71. Ben Nason

2010:
51. Dean MacDonald
63. Tom Derickx

2011:
55. Matthew Arnot

2012:
-

2013:
50: ?
66: ?

[YellowandBlackBlood]

That's why I think we should draft Richard Bourne.  He has more talent than any of those listed but people here are worried about his weight! I'd rather draft talented guys that can kick and run and have footy brains but who weigh less than big guys who will struggle at VFL level. Look at Brad Hill etc. Hardly man mountains! They are successful because they can find the pill and evade their opponents!

[gerkin greg]

That's why a lot of people think Fine Eyes is stuffing ass

Most 13 yr old bigfooty posters like Mrakov could successfully pick first round winners, it's after the first round that yo need to earn yr mo

[YellowandBlackBlood]

That's why a lot of people think Fine Eyes is stuffing ass

Most 13 yr old bigfooty posters like Mrakov could successfully pick first round winners, it's after the first round that yo need to earn yr mo

about Mrakov!

[the claw]

That's why a lot of people think Fine Eyes is stuffing ass

Most 13 yr old bigfooty posters like Mrakov could successfully pick first round winners, it's after the first round that yo need to earn yr mo

iits why some of us think state leaguers are better options late in the draft.blokes like fuller, sully geez fuller at 50 you wont get a better kick out of the 18 yr olds  sully at 68 would address kpd shortcomings and he will perform a role and give something you cant say that about 18 yr olds taken late most never play a game or are delisted after 2 yrs.

[Stripes]

That's why a lot of people think Fine Eyes is stuffing ass

Most 13 yr old bigfooty posters like Mrakov could successfully pick first round winners, it's after the first round that yo need to earn yr mo

iits why some of us think state leaguers are better options late in the draft.blokes like fuller, sully geez fuller at 50 you wont get a better kick out of the 18 yr olds  sully at 68 would address kpd shortcomings and he will perform a role and give something you cant say that about 18 yr olds taken late most never play a game or are delisted after 2 yrs.

I agree with you here claw. I would prefer to use our last pick in this fashion

[Yeahright]

The way some people describe these late picks makes it sound like no matter who you take you're going to get a winner

[Penelope]

The point is that anything after pick 20 or so is choock lotto, or as billy Beane described it, a stuffing craps shoot.

One of the cornerstone policies of money ball was not to draft kids, but college ball players. With kids you had to try to predict what they would become, but with college players you could start to see what what they actually can do.

If you try to convert that literally to our system that would mean taking lots of state league players, but the problem is the differences are too vast to make that literal comparision.

We have such a smaller talent pool to start with and with the number of kids taken in the draft it means that very few kids with any chance of making the grade will not be drafted. We basically strip the tree bare. Nor do we have any real alternative for these kids. They dont have the opportunity to forgo the highest league and set themselves up with an career alternative to sport, while still having a pathway to that highest level in the sport, as the American college sports system allows.

The number of players who slip through the draft, or get drafted but then delisted, yet will still go on to become decent long term AFL footballers is always going to be quite small.

Either way, later draft picks will always be more miss that hit. The one advantage of mature state leaguers, i suppose, is that you will know sooner rather than later with them.

[the claw]

The point is that anything after pick 20 or so is choock lotto, or as billy Beane described it, a stuffing craps shoot.

One of the cornerstone policies of money ball was not to draft kids, but college ball players. With kids you had to try to predict what they would become, but with college players you could start to see what what they actually can do.

If you try to convert that literally to our system that would mean taking lots of state league players, but the problem is the differences are too vast to make that literal comparision.

We have such a smaller talent pool to start with and with the number of kids taken in the draft it means that very few kids with any chance of making the grade will not be drafted. We basically strip the tree bare. Nor do we have any real alternative for these kids. They dont have the opportunity to forgo the highest league and set themselves up with an career alternative to sport, while still having a pathway to that highest level in the sport, as the American college sports system allows.

The number of players who slip through the draft, or get drafted but then delisted, yet will still go on to become decent long term AFL footballers is always going to be quite small.

Either way, later draft picks will always be more miss that hit. The one advantage of mature state leaguers, i suppose, is that you will know sooner rather than later with them.

while i agree with this one point i disagree with is its chook lotto after pick 20. we have had this debate a few times and i would highly value any pick from 1 to 40, and if its a deep draft any pick in the first 3 rounds say 1 to 50.

ive often espoused when taking state league players that they meet some pretty basic criteria.
1/ they have good skills all the basics in place.
2/ they have the physical attributes to play at the afl level.
3/ they have shown thru performances that they are up among the better players at their club and in their league. you can gauge this by simply perusing b& f finishes and roles they play.

finally the amount of state league players who actually contribute to afl sides when taken is staggering . as opposed to skinny kids who in the main last ywo yrs and never play a game.
we arent chasing champions with these picks but good solid contributors who at the least can make a contribution.

the other area i think we are remiss in is targeting opposition players who arent getting a game  usually rookie listed players because of a lack of opportunity, mainly because they have two or three real good players in front  of them. ie sinclair and lycett at wce both are trying to force their way past nicnat and cox surely one of em would be a possibility to nab with the right offer.
jacobs was a prime example of this. 

im even for taking other clubs rejects just as long as they meet the skillset requirements and have the physicall attributes. have performed okay when given games. its usually blokes who have struggled thru injury or just cant break into a strong line up.
the reasons i dont want matt thomas are his skillset theres better skilled state league players. the other is his performances at afl level over 7 yrs.  continual poor disposal an inability at the level to find enough ball. 7 yrs is enough opportunity imo. hes been tried at the level for a long period and been found wanting.
 
would rather give a state league player the opportunity to show he belongs. a state league player who ticks some pretty basic boxes thus maximising the chances of finding a reasonable player.