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Gigantor

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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2014, 06:08:27 PM »
How so chuck?

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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2014, 06:10:04 PM »
Just reckon he is done and will only be a depth player now.

Would be interested to know how he is going at pre season though

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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2014, 06:17:49 PM »
you think its his pace that has gone for good?

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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2014, 06:39:30 PM »
you think its his pace that has gone for good?
I personally think Foley will be a big improver this year if he can stay fit. I've noticed a lot of people thinking he is just about finished but I recon with a big pre season he can get back to his best. And his best is pretty bloody good. I know he has had a serious injury but I just saw a few things in 2013 that showed me he was getting closer.
And if we are to 'bridge the gap' this year Axel Foley could play a pretty big part in that- he will be  basically like a new recruit this year with a full pre season. I really hope for him, and us that he can get back to his best.

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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2014, 10:03:45 PM »
you think its his pace that has gone for good?
I personally think Foley will be a big improver this year if he can stay fit. I've noticed a lot of people thinking he is just about finished but I recon with a big pre season he can get back to his best. And his best is pretty bloody good. I know he has had a serious injury but I just saw a few things in 2013 that showed me he was getting closer.
And if we are to 'bridge the gap' this year Axel Foley could play a pretty big part in that- he will be  basically like a new recruit this year with a full pre season. I really hope for him, and us that he can get back to his best.

I hope you're right bigtone. I really do.  :pray

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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2014, 12:04:19 AM »
For us to really bridge the gap on the top sides next year we need to improve in a few areas which probably means we have to improve the personal in those positions.
For me it's the following

Grigg- wingman (I just think we can do better here, he gets plenty of the footy but I just think someone else could get that same amount of footy but with better foot skills and a harder edge)

Houli- rebounding back (bit unlucky to be here but I'm always concerned about his defending and his hardness) I personally think he could play on a wing or even in second rotation as a midfielder) but again I think we can do better in his position.

A. Edwards- third tall/lead up forward (like the way the kid plays but if we are to improve we have to get someone more damaging, IMO he goes missing too often, and not just at Richmond, he has been like that his whole career. Someone taller, a better mark and more agile when the ball hits the ground would really help our forward structure now with Vickory most likely to play at CHF. He is good at most things but not great at anything, other than kicking at goal)

King and S. Edwards- small forwards (both are best 22 at present but neither play that Eddie Betts, Balentine type of small forward that on their day can kick a bag of 5 or 6 to win you a game. Need another match winner in our forwardline to compliment Jack. Some extra X factor would be massive for our forwardline. At present IMO we are way to predictable down there.

So on paper my best 22 at this stage is

Morris  Chaplin  Grimes
Houli  Rance  Vlastuin
Grigg  Foley  Lids
A. Edwards  Vickory  Martin
King  Jack  Hampson

Maric  Cotch  Jackson

Newman  Ellis  S. Edwards  Conca

So my questions are, who can you see replacing my 'suspect' players ASAP? (If you agree of course) Just remember though, the people you are going to replace them with need to be better NOW, not potentially better. We don't want to make our side any weaker in 2014

Is there anyone else you think we can do better than, currently best 22? And who would you replace them with?

And most importantly is Hardwick strong enough to make the tough call on some of these favourites?

geez i agree with all of that.
only part i disagree with is i think we have to play some of the kids and some of  the mature recruits who show enough based  on potential.

also i ve long believed we need another real big solid kpd and i really think we need a abig bodied strong marking kpf.

while i dont think it likely to happen im hoping two or three of the kids can force their way into the team from the get go and some of the  many  mature recruits can force their way in pretty quickly as well.

for me
b/ morris - chaplin - grimes
hb/ mcintosh - rance - vlastuin
c/ deledio - martin - ellis
hf/ mcdonough - riewoldt - gordon
f/ lloyd - vickery - hampson
r/ maric - jackson - cotchin
int/ lennon - knights - foley - helbig/ houli / grigg / miles.
i have no doubt what so ever if 3 or 4 of our kids cant step up and claim a regular spot along with 3 or 4 of our mature recruits we will go backwards.
i think the above team is more the way forward if they can show enough to get a game.

for me we really need players from the 09 and 2010 drafts to stake claims and improve and play some good footy in the seniors at some stage.
griffiths, dea, astbury from 09  helbig and batchelor  from 2010.
chris knights can play we need him fit and to stay fit one more serious injury and id say hes caput.

Would love to know from anyone who has followed the pre season closely how Nathan is going.I have always rated him as absolutely crucial to us being a top side,challenging for the cup.
However his form late last season wasn't good,so I think this pre season is vital for him ,giving him a good fitness base something he certainly didn't have this past season
this may sound stupid but i think the way the game has gone in particular the last 5 yrs or so  with so many big tall inside mids coming to the fore for most teams that nathans size has become a problem.  small inside mid at 178/78 having to compete in the main against185cm + / 85kg +  inside mids means hes up against it more and more.
to me nathans strengths was getting the ball at the bottom of the packs and with excellent hands dishing it out. i just dont think he has the body or size to effectively and consistently do that anymore.

 its just an  observation or something thats nagged at the back of the mind a bit that may be wrong.
i also think nathans foot skills as an outside player leave much to be desired. if fit his pace is a strength and if he could improve his delivery or improve his decision making maybe he could play on a wing he could do no worse than grigg in a lot of areas.

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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2014, 01:03:51 PM »
Fingers crossed that Nathan bounces back ,because I think his role as an in and under is still there and just as important as ever.If he is able to get in and get the ball out to the likes of Cotch,martin,Lids we will run amok.
I agree his kicking is his Achilles heel(excuse the pun),but his height for the in and under role is a huge advantage over the taller mids that seem to be flavour of the month at the minute.

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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2014, 01:47:07 PM »
Great points here claw. I agree with almost all of it.


for me
b/ morris - chaplin - grimes
hb/ mcintosh - rance - vlastuin
c/ deledio - martin - ellis
hf/ mcdonough - riewoldt - gordon
f/ lloyd - vickery - hampson
r/ maric - jackson - cotchin
int/ lennon - knights - foley - helbig/ houli / grigg / miles.

i think the above team is more the way forward if they can show enough to get a game.

for me we really need players from the 09 and 2010 drafts to stake claims and improve and play some good footy in the seniors at some stage.
griffiths, dea, astbury from 09  helbig and batchelor  from 2010.
chris knights can play we need him fit and to stay fit one more serious injury and id say hes caput.

I think McIntosh should step aside for Houli in that team. He is a greatly under rated player to our forward forays. S.Edwards should also be include for mine over Lennon at this stage and Conca definitely over Helbig. All the 'Mc's' would have to step up to make the side so KIngy shoud return until he stops fulfilling his role adequately and I like you would love to see Griffith fight his way into the team.


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this may sound stupid but i think the way the game has gone in particular the last 5 yrs or so  with so many big tall inside mids coming to the fore for most teams that nathans size has become a problem.  small inside mid at 178/78 having to compete in the main against185cm + / 85kg +  inside mids means hes up against it more and more.
to me nathans strengths was getting the ball at the bottom of the packs and with excellent hands dishing it out. i just dont think he has the body or size to effectively and consistently do that anymore.

 its just an  observation or something thats nagged at the back of the mind a bit that may be wrong.
i also think nathans foot skills as an outside player leave much to be desired. if fit his pace is a strength and if he could improve his delivery or improve his decision making maybe he could play on a wing he could do no worse than grigg in a lot of areas.

I agree with you here particularly about his kicking. We will need to watch his ability to win the contested ball this season to see how he ranks compared to our younger ball winners.

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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2014, 03:07:07 PM »
Foley should not be judged onq last season.

One of his legs was the size of a fourteen year old girl

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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2014, 03:30:05 PM »
Why do many of you guys keep putting Lennon in your round one team?..he hasn't played a game of senior footy yet.

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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2014, 03:43:18 PM »
Vlastuin Ellis conca martin etc. Were good enough for round one team (even if not selected)

Forward like types have gone mcgaune nahas whiteetc. Too

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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2014, 03:46:48 PM »
I can understand the enthusiasm to pick these guys after a solid pre season and pre season games, but to select them before even a shot has been fired seems just a little odd for mine

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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2014, 04:12:35 PM »
Why do many of you guys keep putting Lennon in your round one team?..he hasn't played a game of senior footy yet.

I expect that lennon will be nursed along much like Vlas was whilst early on,  a few of the mature age recruits Banfield, Lloydy and Gordo get every chance to show their wares  :shh
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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2014, 04:57:24 PM »
Why do many of you guys keep putting Lennon in your round one team?..he hasn't played a game of senior footy yet.

I expect that lennon will be nursed along much like Vlas was whilst early on,  a few of the mature age recruits Banfield, Lloydy and Gordo get every chance to show their wares  :shh

Completely agree

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Re: Bridging the gap
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2014, 01:36:16 AM »
Why do many of you guys keep putting Lennon in your round one team?..he hasn't played a game of senior footy yet.
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