Changes for the Freo game?

[Diocletian]

Don't care what Thomas' numbers are - he's stuffing slow, useless and not the future. Season's over, stop wasting games on old hacks and give the kids like Arnot & Helbig a go. Results mean SFA from here on in. Time to see what the rest of the list is made of.

[the claw]

Helbig for Thomas? You should try and get a job at the RFC WP, you would fit right in. Dimma's right hand man.
Thomas has averaged 25 touches and had 21 tackles in the last 3 weeks.
Let's drop a bloke like that ILO other softies just because he is older! Or from another club.
stuff that!
Surely 10 others go before Thomas.

Big tone, before you whack me think you may need to get up on current events 

Thomas has copped a week from the MRP, he is going to be a forced change.

I never said to drop him, he sort of drops himself because of the suspension doesn't he?

so based on that I'd bring Helbig for him.

Someone has to replace him don't they?

So why not Helbig? Or Arnott? Rather than just bring back those who continually let us down

to me if we wanted to replace thomas if hes suspended the like for like type would have to be arnot. give the lad a game. bring helbig in play him across h/b.

we cant make finals surely that is abundantly clear to all and sundry at that rabble. do the right thing and look at those who havent had a go. just maybe we might find a player or two.

[one-eyed]

The Barometer - Round 13
Herald-Sun
9 June 2014

RICHMOND

ON THE BLOCK: Ross Lyon put it perfectly in 2008 when he said: “Reputations really count for nothing”. The master tactician didn’t baulk at selection either, dropping Nick Dal Santo and Stephen Milne to the VFL. History tells us they were better for the life lesson. Richmond coach Damien Hardwick must act, and he could do a lot worse than channel Lyon in making similar calls this week. Brett Deledio springs to mind, he stunk yesterday. The midfielder spent more energy backchatting umpires and tangling with Michael Firrito than he did trying to win the ball and steady the ship for Richmond. No point only going after low-hanging fruit (Ty Vickery, Ben Griffiths, Ben Lennon), Troy Chaplin and even Jack Riewoldt — two of his three goals in junktime — could do with a sharpen up.

ON THE CUSP: No VFL action this week so Tigers will need to go back to the well to find replacements ahead of Saturday’s crunch clash with Fremantle. Shaun Hampson could earn an instant reprieve replacing Vickery, Aaron Edwards kicked four last week in the VFL and should push for selection. Daniel Jackson, Shaun Grigg, Dylan Grimes and Reece Conca must pass fitness tests to play.

GILBERT GARDINER’S FORECAST: Sorry Tigers, but it’s only going to get worse with Fremantle and Sydney on the horizon. The only positive to take out of the miserable loss to North was Dustin Martin’s brilliant first half and Tigers’ debutant Anthony Miles’ — rookie recruited from GWS — refusing to give up.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/round-13-afl-barometer-whos-hot-whos-not-and-whos-in-line-for-selection/story-fnelctok-1226948179693

[the claw]

Don't care what Thomas' numbers are - he's stuffing slow, useless and not the future. Season's over, stop wasting games on old hacks and give the kids like Arnot & Helbig a go. Results mean SFA from here on. Time to see what the rest of the list is made of.

mate id give him a  one yr contract. slow maybe, useless hardly hes been stuffing great.  not the future hes 26 if he performs at this level all the time we have a 4 to 6 yr player.  old or not hes in front of by some margin grigg, arnot, banfield, played better than conca, s edweards, ellis, foley, gordon, grigg, helbig, jackson, mcdonough, newman, petterd.
but hey lets just cut everyone over 25. throw all the kids in and watch em get slaughterd.  did you see what happened to melbourne the last what 6  7 yrs and you want that for us.

when i look at him this yr compared to the previous yrs it is chalk and cheese. hes been bloody good and yes he still has his fair share of howlers. what he currently brings far outweighs any of his weaknesses atm and if you cant see it  you have blinkers on.

statistically at afl level this yr  hes improved that much  hes gone of the scale. and im happy to point it out. why complain about his pace hes an inside player lots of clubs have blokes no quicker than him. 

mate go look at the comments i constantly  made about him just before and after we drafted him. there was no way on earth i wanted him, slow cant find it cant kick poor decisions etc etc. hes improved enormously every single aspect of his game. and he deserves another yr.  i reckon im big enough to say i was wrong seems others well they keep barking up the wrong tree.

you want a clean out well theres so many worse performed players than thomas it aint funny go have a go at one of them.  you keep on backing in a kid who aint too quick himself is supposed to be inside but barely touches it 10 times a game. im not sure arnot will get anywhere near thomas level at afl the clock is ticking.

[TigerLand]

I'm available for selection. I reckon I'm fitter than at least half the list. I don't have great skills but I'll run both ways unlike half the list. Also reckon I'm more courageous than Ellis, however so is my 4 month old.

Out: Anyone
In: Pope

What have we got to lose?

[Diocletian]

Bollocks claw he's a stuffing poo truck and if he ends up a 4-6 year player we really are stuffed. This is his ceiling, he won't get better. He hasn't been better than Petterd for a start and why assume he's been better than a whole bunch of VFL kids just because they haven't been picked - Miles in one game's already shown that upgrading him was a massive mistake. Arnot laid 9 tackles in his last game being played virtually as a small forward. Maybe go watch some VFL matches for yourself...get a mate to send tapes over or something. FMD you're always banging on about playing younger blokes because they have more potential upside, this ain't the bloke to making exceptions to that rule for. We've already got enough "experience" without him.

Melbourne got slaughtered because firstly they were tanking and secondly they were poorly coached. Really isn't that much more experience in their list next year compared to last. They've brought in Bernie Vince and who else apart from kids? Oh that's right a bloke called Roos. Funny that.

[the claw]

Bollocks claw he's a stuffing poo truck and if he ends up a 4-6 year player we really are stuffed. This is his ceiling, he won't get better. He hasn't been better than Petterd for a start and why assume he's been better than a whole bunch of VFL kids just because they haven't been picked - Miles in one game's already shown that upgrading him was a massive mistake. Arnot laid 9 tackles in his last game being played virtually as a small forward. Maybe go watch some VFL matches for yourself...get a mate to send tapes over or something. FMD you're always banging on about playing younger blokes because they have more potential upside, this ain't the bloke to making exceptions to that rule for. We've already got enough "experience" without him.

Melbourne got sluaghtered because firstly they were tanking and secondly they were poorly coached. Really isn't that much more experience in their list next year compared to last. They've brought in Bernie Vince and who else apart from kids? Oh that's right a bloke called Roos.

mate we are going to have to disagree. if this right now is his ceiling and he can maintain it i will take it every day of the week.
thomas this yr has in the main been great. he may slip back to mediocrity and you can say i told you so.  me i reckon hes earnt a one yr contract. we dont have different philosphys we both want to see lots of kids played i just dont want to see em go over the top and go two paces and get their heads blown of.  oh and while miles was good he was no better than thomas.
mate they both played well.  im not going to sink the boots into a bloke whos going pretty well has improved at the level enormously is out performing most getting a game consistently just because hes 26 yrs old.
when and if he drops away i will bag him then and only then.

and your wrong about melboyurne but i cant be stuffed arguing the point with ya.,

[Diocletian]

I'm sure most will agree with you over me and I realise he brings those tough, hard qualities and effort to the side that we've all been crying out for, but I just don't think he's a good footballer at all- certainly not much better than Lonergan who we delisted last year with barely a game and who I believe we brought in Thomas to replace as an experienced hard at it midfield stop gap/depth player in fact their careers were almost identical-  and that it's short-sighted and counter-productive in the long run to be playing him ahead of younger similar types like Arnot & Helbig who can do the same job, especially now with nothing left to play for.

We've got too many duds as it is and thanks to our idiot list managers we're going to be stuck with a few for the next couple of years, so why keep an extra one we can actually get rid of now?

[eliminator]

Bring in Arnot.

[Judge Roughneck]

Bring in Arnot.

Delist arnot

Bring in king / Grigg / Newman

[Judge Roughneck]

Player   K   HB   D   M   G   B   T   HO   I50   FF   FA   AF   SC
Bachar Houli   18   12   30   5   0   0   0   0   3   1   2   88   108
Dustin Martin   19   9   28   6   4   1   4   0   3   1   4   123   108
Matt Thomas   8   16   24   8   1   0   4   0   2   2   1   101   103
Trent Cotchin   13   11   24   5   0   1   4   1   3   0   0   94   81
Brandon Ellis   12   11   23   7   0   0   5   0   1   1   0   100   102
Nick Vlastuin   9   11   20   6   0   0   3   0   4   1   1   77   74
Nathan Foley   6   13   19   0   0   0   5   0   5   0   0   64   71
Anthony Miles   12   7   19   4   0   0   6   0   1   4   1   87   83
Brett Deledio   9   9   18   4   0   0   4   0   4   0   3   64   68
Ricky Petterd   12   6   18   7   0   0   1   0   5   2   1   72   73
Alex Rance   8   10   18   6   0   0   0   0   1   1   1   60   72
Ivan Maric   8   9   17   6   1   0   1   24   2   2   2   90   85
Shane Edwards   10   4   14   2   1   0   8   0   5   0   0   82   79
Jack Riewoldt   10   3   13   5   3   3   3   0   2   1   2   79   67
Matthew Mcdonough   5   8   13   3   0   0   4   0   0   0   1   53   58
Steven Morris   3   9   12   4   1   0   2   0   1   0   1   50   54
Tyrone Vickery   9   2   11   5   1   1   2   9   3   2   0   72   73
Matthew Dea   7   4   11   2   1   0   3   0   2   2   2   49   74
Troy Chaplin   5   4   9   3   0   0   1   0   0   2   3   29   41
Jake Batchelor   5   4   9   4   0   0   1   0   0   0   1   36   49
Ben Lennon   1   2   3   0   0   0   0   0   1   0   0   7   13
Benjamin Griffiths   2   0   2   1   0   1   3   1   1   0   2   17   11

[WilliamPowell]

Two definite changes due to suspension

OUTS: Vickery & Thomas (both suspended)

INS: ..whoever

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Two definite changes due to suspension

OUTS: Vickery & Thomas (both suspended)

INS: ..whoever

Terrific.  Just terrific???

[WilliamPowell]

Two definite changes due to suspension

OUTS: Vickery & Thomas (both suspended)

INS: ..whoever

Terrific.  Just terrific???

Let me see the actual "Ins" on Thursday and then I'm sure there will be a "Terrific, just terific TM in there

Can't just hand them out for no reason 

[big tone]

Helbig for Thomas? You should try and get a job at the RFC WP, you would fit right in. Dimma's right hand man.
Thomas has averaged 25 touches and had 21 tackles in the last 3 weeks.
Let's drop a bloke like that ILO other softies just because he is older! Or from another club.
stuff that!
Surely 10 others go before Thomas.

Big tone, before you whack me think you may need to get up on current events 

Thomas has copped a week from the MRP, he is going to be a forced change.

I never said to drop him, he sort of drops himself because of the suspension doesn't he?

so based on that I'd bring Helbig for him.

Someone has to replace him don't they?

So why not Helbig? Or Arnott? Rather than just bring back those who continually let us down

My apologies WP, I had missed that. I just thought you were on about him again like previous weeks. 
P.S. I recon you would do a better job than Hardwick. How the hell didn't Miles get promoted and get a game 5 weeks ago??