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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #90 on: August 03, 2014, 03:24:00 PM »
ok whose Luke Williams.....There are too many Williams's at tigerland,its spinning me out
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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #91 on: August 03, 2014, 03:56:04 PM »
Can someone start a rumour that Conca and Grimes are on the trade table.

lol!

heard the same thing Ramps  :thumbsup

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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #92 on: August 03, 2014, 04:07:02 PM »
The issue here is finding objectivity when assessing FJ's job.
Jack, Cotch, Rance, Dusty (wasn't a straight forward pick, look at what the Dees did), Ellis, Vlas will all be good players.
I'm starting to think big Ty has unlocked the secret to his game - playing angry. He might get suspended a few times but that edge to his game has improved his attack on the pill.
I'd say let's see how he goes in 2015. I'm now starting to wonder now well he has been coached given that a number of his teammates have stated he plays better when more aggressive.
I know Conca has his share of haters but I'm prepared to wait until he is fully fit before making a call.
Jake Batchelor has started to emerge in the past few weeks and has a specific role which is helping his focus on the field.
We don't know about the string beaner yet but he seems to show a bit.

So I'm not hating FJ, there is enough to work with - in fact I'd argue the issues are more in player development and the list manager who insisted on recruiting mature aged players ahead of kids.
for starters people dont hate anyone. fj is rightly criticised  for the job he does nothing more.

for me the very fact melbourne took scully and trengove made it easy for fj. imo there were 4 standout mids and melbourne took 2 of em.  it left martin and morabito.  morabito may become a bust as well thru injury which is something no one could have predicted and doesnt reflect on the recruiter.

05/  jon # 8  bust, hughes #24 bust, casserley # 40 bust but injuries were the main reason. PEOPLE ARGUE ABOUT FJ ROLE HERE. Part time or not  HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR JON. He was just one of two recruiters himself and miller.

06/ riewoldt #13 pass. edwards # 26 pass,  i give edwards a pass only  because hes played 150games. imo thats a reflection of the poor standard of players we have had. id say at best only a third of edwards games have met the required standard.

07/  cotchin #2 pass. rance #18 pass, putt #51 fail.

08/ vickery #8 imo fail,  #26 post fail,  no third rounder we did take hislop a fj favorite at #58 fail. even if i were to concede vickery a reasonable player, for a top 10 pick hes been very ordinary.

09/ martin #3 pass,  griffiths #19 fail, #35 astbury ?????, #44 dea fail.  i question astbury as hes yet to play enough good footy to show hes  really made it. in other words could still go either way

10/ conca #6 pass, #30 batchelor fail, #47 helbig fail.  ive given conca a pass but i dont think him a worthy top 20 selection yet alone top 10.

11/ ellis #15 pass,  elton #26 ????,  arnott #55 fail.

some people will argue the odd one they are just my opinion.
havent gone past 2011 as it is too early imo. i think vlastuin could be added to the pass list from 2012.

thats the first 3 rounds and overall it is a terrible record. How anyone can be happy with that sort of record is beyond me. No wonder we have gone at monkey ball so hard we just dont find anywhere near enough good juniors.

What is even more damning  fj has not picked  one decent young player in the latter rounds to go with the shoddy above record. not one diamond in the rough.
To take it even further the only decent rookie picks hes taken where we have found decent YOUNG  players are miles AT 22YRS, ,  thats it.

FJ has to go if we are to become a good side. failing that we must find help for fj someone on a equal footing.
ffs  it all starts with the role he does if he fails we fail.that is exactly what has happened.

White was from 05. He is a pass.

Shane Edwards is a decent player.

Griffiths is not a fail. Nor is dea. Hardwick said Astbury was winning our bf = pass

Bach and arnot as not fails

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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #93 on: August 03, 2014, 07:26:22 PM »
The issue here is finding objectivity when assessing FJ's job.
Jack, Cotch, Rance, Dusty (wasn't a straight forward pick, look at what the Dees did), Ellis, Vlas will all be good players.
I'm starting to think big Ty has unlocked the secret to his game - playing angry. He might get suspended a few times but that edge to his game has improved his attack on the pill.
I'd say let's see how he goes in 2015. I'm now starting to wonder now well he has been coached given that a number of his teammates have stated he plays better when more aggressive.
I know Conca has his share of haters but I'm prepared to wait until he is fully fit before making a call.
Jake Batchelor has started to emerge in the past few weeks and has a specific role which is helping his focus on the field.
We don't know about the string beaner yet but he seems to show a bit.

So I'm not hating FJ, there is enough to work with - in fact I'd argue the issues are more in player development and the list manager who insisted on recruiting mature aged players ahead of kids.
for starters people dont hate anyone. fj is rightly criticised  for the job he does nothing more.

for me the very fact melbourne took scully and trengove made it easy for fj. imo there were 4 standout mids and melbourne took 2 of em.  it left martin and morabito.  morabito may become a bust as well thru injury which is something no one could have predicted and doesnt reflect on the recruiter.

05/  jon # 8  bust, hughes #24 bust, casserley # 40 bust but injuries were the main reason. PEOPLE ARGUE ABOUT FJ ROLE HERE. Part time or not  HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR JON. He was just one of two recruiters himself and miller.

06/ riewoldt #13 pass. edwards # 26 pass,  i give edwards a pass only  because hes played 150games. imo thats a reflection of the poor standard of players we have had. id say at best only a third of edwards games have met the required standard.

07/  cotchin #2 pass. rance #18 pass, putt #51 fail.

08/ vickery #8 imo fail,  #26 post fail,  no third rounder we did take hislop a fj favorite at #58 fail. even if i were to concede vickery a reasonable player, for a top 10 pick hes been very ordinary.

09/ martin #3 pass,  griffiths #19 fail, #35 astbury ?????, #44 dea fail.  i question astbury as hes yet to play enough good footy to show hes  really made it. in other words could still go either way

10/ conca #6 pass, #30 batchelor fail, #47 helbig fail.  ive given conca a pass but i dont think him a worthy top 20 selection yet alone top 10.

11/ ellis #15 pass,  elton #26 ????,  arnott #55 fail.

some people will argue the odd one they are just my opinion.
havent gone past 2011 as it is too early imo. i think vlastuin could be added to the pass list from 2012.

thats the first 3 rounds and overall it is a terrible record. How anyone can be happy with that sort of record is beyond me. No wonder we have gone at monkey ball so hard we just dont find anywhere near enough good juniors.

What is even more damning  fj has not picked  one decent young player in the latter rounds to go with the shoddy above record. not one diamond in the rough.
To take it even further the only decent rookie picks hes taken where we have found decent YOUNG  players are miles AT 22YRS, ,  thats it.

FJ has to go if we are to become a good side. failing that we must find help for fj someone on a equal footing.
ffs  it all starts with the role he does if he fails we fail.that is exactly what has happened.

White was from 05. He is a pass.

Shane Edwards is a decent player.

Griffiths is not a fail. Nor is dea. Hardwick said Astbury was winning our bf = pass

Bach and arnot as not fails
In fairness he did say that is the first 3 rounds of the drafts. And Matty White was in the PSD from memory. He is definitely a tick but there is also more misses that he didn't mention after the 3rd round. His point was the first 3 rounds is your best opportunity of getting them right. He was cutting FJ some slack.
Agree on Edwards- pass
Astbury isn't a pass yet nor is he a fail but I guess that's Claws point of view....and mine.
Batch and Arnot are fails to this point.
Vickory is the one I don't agree with. He is a pass IMO and will only get better.
If Conca gets a pass so does Vickory.

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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #94 on: August 14, 2014, 12:33:21 AM »
Kristian Jaksch hot property this trade period as almost every Victorian club eyes him.

    Jay Clark and Sam Landsberger
    Herald Sun
    August 13, 2014 9:00PM


GREATER Western Sydney tall Kristian Jaksch could be on the move to Carlton this year to help replenish the Blues’ ageing key position stocks.

But the Blues face a fight to secure Jaksch with nearly every Victorian club expressing interest, meaning a rival could gazump their offer to the Giants.

GWS is desperate to keep Jaksch, 19, who is happy in Sydney, and have offered him a handsome deal to extend his two-year stay up north.

Read more: http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/kristian-jaksch-hot-property-this-trade-period-as-almost-every-victorian-club-eyes-him/story-fnahrzm3-1227023447272

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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #95 on: August 14, 2014, 11:34:10 AM »
Isn't he a Tiger tragic. Surely we could use this to make us his club of choice. 

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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #96 on: August 14, 2014, 11:57:36 AM »
 Lol Carlton with Judd playing on won't get him. If they do they need to be heavily investigated again. Thomas and a Judd is almost 98% of the cap   :shh
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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #97 on: August 14, 2014, 12:02:07 PM »
judd gets payed outside the cap mate

he is special

like jobe watson, too much a good bloke to get banned. unlike that saad, who really should be in jail

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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #98 on: August 14, 2014, 02:01:22 PM »
judd gets payed outside the cap mate

he is special

like jobe watson, too much a good bloke to get banned. unlike that saad, who really should be in jail

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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #99 on: August 14, 2014, 02:23:26 PM »
for starters people dont hate anyone. fj is rightly criticised  for the job he does nothing more.

for me the very fact melbourne took scully and trengove made it easy for fj. imo there were 4 standout mids and melbourne took 2 of em.  it left martin and morabito.  morabito may become a bust as well thru injury which is something no one could have predicted and doesnt reflect on the recruiter.

05/  jon # 8  bust, hughes #24 bust, casserley # 40 bust but injuries were the main reason. PEOPLE ARGUE ABOUT FJ ROLE HERE. Part time or not  HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR JON. He was just one of two recruiters himself and miller.

06/ riewoldt #13 pass. edwards # 26 pass,  i give edwards a pass only  because hes played 150games. imo thats a reflection of the poor standard of players we have had. id say at best only a third of edwards games have met the required standard.

07/  cotchin #2 pass. rance #18 pass, putt #51 fail.

08/ vickery #8 imo fail,  #26 post fail,  no third rounder we did take hislop a fj favorite at #58 fail. even if i were to concede vickery a reasonable player, for a top 10 pick hes been very ordinary.

09/ martin #3 pass,  griffiths #19 fail, #35 astbury ?????, #44 dea fail.  i question astbury as hes yet to play enough good footy to show hes  really made it. in other words could still go either way

10/ conca #6 pass, #30 batchelor fail, #47 helbig fail.  ive given conca a pass but i dont think him a worthy top 20 selection yet alone top 10.

11/ ellis #15 pass,  elton #26 ????,  arnott #55 fail.

some people will argue the odd one they are just my opinion.
havent gone past 2011 as it is too early imo. i think vlastuin could be added to the pass list from 2012.

thats the first 3 rounds and overall it is a terrible record. How anyone can be happy with that sort of record is beyond me. No wonder we have gone at monkey ball so hard we just dont find anywhere near enough good juniors.

What is even more damning  fj has not picked  one decent young player in the latter rounds to go with the shoddy above record. not one diamond in the rough.
To take it even further the only decent rookie picks hes taken where we have found decent YOUNG  players are miles AT 22YRS, ,  thats it.

FJ has to go if we are to become a good side. failing that we must find help for fj someone on a equal footing.
ffs  it all starts with the role he does if he fails we fail.that is exactly what has happened.

Completely agree with this assessment as it stands at this point in time.  To add to that, the Conca over Heppell decision is the one that hurt the club the most in recent years.  Second rate tagger vrs stand out leader.  Heppell was the ideal fit for the RFC's needs.

I don't credit fj for the Miles decision, we only picked up Miles because we needed more players for our stand alone VFL side.  We didn't recruit kids in this draft like we should have.  If we were still affiliated with Coburg, would have missed him.  I credit the club for finally bringing the VFL side back into the Richmond fold.  Should never have let it go.

The club has the facilities and funds to sustain a period of success.  What it needs is the talent in coaching and recruiting and the strength in administration and management to identify and utilise this talent.  Change is required.


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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #100 on: August 14, 2014, 02:57:21 PM »
When has Cona ever been used as a tagger?

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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #101 on: August 14, 2014, 03:21:16 PM »
When has Cona ever been used as a tagger?

Might be suggesting that's what kind of player he essentially is moreso than how he's mainly been used thus far.....

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FJ is the only one that makes sense.

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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #102 on: August 14, 2014, 03:24:29 PM »
When has Cona ever been used as a tagger?

Might be suggesting that's what kind of player he essentially is moreso than how he's mainly been used thus far.....

Ok thats a bit odd, like saying Watts would be more a ballerina than footballer or Hampson would be better suited to flipping burgers at Maccas.

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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #103 on: August 14, 2014, 03:35:32 PM »
When has Cona ever been used as a tagger?

Might be suggesting that's what kind of player he essentially is moreso than how he's mainly been used thus far.....

Ok thats a bit odd, like saying Watts would be more a ballerina than footballer or Hampson would be better suited to flipping burgers at Maccas.

Poor analogy - ballet's way too tough & demanding for Watts and Hamspud clearly doesn't possess the motor skills required to flip burgers.
"Much of the social history of the Western world, over the past three decades, has been a history of replacing what worked with what sounded good...."

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FJ is the only one that makes sense.

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Re: Trade week rumours and innuendo
« Reply #104 on: August 14, 2014, 03:36:28 PM »
When has Cona ever been used as a tagger?

Might be suggesting that's what kind of player he essentially is moreso than how he's mainly been used thus far.....

Ok thats a bit odd, like saying Watts would be more a ballerina than footballer or Hampson would be better suited to flipping burgers at Maccas.

Poor analogy - ballet's way too tough & demanding for Watts and Hamspud clearly doesn't possess the motor skills required to flip burgers.

Hmmm true