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Re: Emma Quayle's club-by-club guide to the 2014 AFL draft ... (Age)
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2014, 09:53:39 PM »
they should still find themselves with a selection of good options at 33. Lamb would be a value pick at this point, Nathan Drummond is tough and Toby Green plays with some inventiveness across half-forward.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/clubbyclub-guide-to-the-2014-afl-draft-part-two-20141122-11p228.html
Typo by Emma. The bold was meant to say Toby McLean.

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Re: Emma Quayle's club-by-club guide to the 2014 AFL draft ... (Age)
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2014, 09:58:34 PM »
I wouldn't take the ruck man, even if he was avail, how did Kreuzer go, more  chance FJ paninng for gold  at another Maric family bbq  :shh would back him in

kreuzer is a gun

he always seems to go ok vs tigers

id swap him for vickery no worries

we could use an A Grade ruck, id take the ruckman. we could use a nicnat or leunherburger big time as claw says vickery is poo and maric body like an old lady

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Re: Emma Quayle's club-by-club guide to the 2014 AFL draft ... (Age)
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2014, 08:46:05 PM »
Tough old lady is maric.

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Re: Emma Quayle's club-by-club guide to the 2014 AFL draft ... (Age)
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2014, 08:54:37 PM »
She sure is but will she get threw 90% of games over next 5 years?

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Re: Emma Quayle's club-by-club guide to the 2014 AFL draft ... (Age)
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2014, 09:17:12 PM »
Hale. 201 best role ruckman.
Franklin 196? sheesh a real good kpp height.
Tippett 200? yep hes done well as a fwd i mentioned him but hes an exception.
Ottens 202 the brad variety was a top level ruckman who could go fwd.interesting geelong played both mooney and hawkins in the key posts and otto had the ruck/fwd role.ottens became a top level ruckman you cant say that about his fwd role.
Tom Boyd 201  we are yet to find out if he will be a very good kpf. he may be one of the exceptions eh.
Patton 197, is a big power fwd id want my kpps to be around 194 - 197.
Kreuzer 200. ( I have memory's of hm doing well in fwd line vs richmond) another ruckman who can go fwd.
Watts 196.  (vs richmond ) sheesh a failure as a tall player.
Kosi 197. (Before that bump on wing) / 50 goals 2009. 48 goals in 09 and that was the only yr he got close to 50. was not ruckman height in the modern game  and was a good kp height and size 197cm 95kg.

Edit: Mathew richardson guy was close 200cm ah richo 195cm 100+kg.


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how many 200cm plus players have become good consistent key fwds.

every position is getting bigger / stronger / faster so there will be more 200cm plus players  good consistent key fwds in the future than the past i guess
i agree players are getting bigger and stronger but it remains a constant that very few 200cm plus players become top level kpfs.
but just for you again so you arent asking silly questions all the time. ,  ive done this to death before  but i break down the talls the following way.and i use it as a guide there are exceptions as there are in everything. an exception is exactly that its not the norm.

talls or third talls good runners quicker more agile provide run, 190 - 193 , that doesnt mean you cant have slightly taller players doing the role and it doesnt mean a 190 - 193 cm player cant play kp. the type im talking here is gunstan or mackie birchall. one whos an exception is the  196cm  schofield at wce but he is an exception. you also get the odd 188 189 cm player who can do the role.gibson comes to mind.
one we have sorta   played in this role is chaplin he has neither the run smarts skills or pace to be doing it.

kpps 194 - 197  again its not written in stone and there are exceptions but the norm is in this range. the better kpfs in particular fall in this range but theres the odd exception.riewoldt x 2 franklin richardson cameron hawkins cloke walker pods  roughhead and i can go on all fall into this range. a slightly taller version at 198cm is carlisle a shorter version would be pavlich at about 192cm the slightly shorter kpps invariably have real good size pav is close to 100kg.

198 plus to me the agility mobility suffers from here on in.you will get your share of kpds in this area but there have been so few top level kpfs over 200cm in particular.
most have either been ruckmen or rucks who can play a bit fwd. the good ruck/fwds have invariably been top level at one of the roles.

if i was going to the draft and looking for a good kpp the breakdown of what has gone before  tells me im most likely to  find  a good one in the 194 - 197  height range.

anyway im sick of having to explain myself all i seem to do is go over things ive said before because muppets like you just dont read posts. anyway  take out of it what you want take the pee even,  i ts to be expected and i dont care.

all i have said is when you look at what has gone before very few players at 200cm and above have gone on to become top level kpfs.

if i was to look at say vickery and ask will he become a top level kpf one of many guides would be the number of blokes at his height who have made it purely  in that role.

 
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Re: Emma Quayle's club-by-club guide to the 2014 AFL draft ... (Age)
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2014, 11:36:34 AM »
- I don't watch much football these days but isn't hale best role forward in last few years

 - my google says Richo 197. IMO 197 is close to 200.

 - you like Patton @ 197... Bt 200 is too big? Lol three cm. sound pretty set in stone to me

- kosi finished on 250 goals. Nt too shabby. 1.2 a game same as Tyrone Vickery... I remember a purple patch where he s going like Wayne Carey,. His hight we not a disadvantage during the wee period where he was killing it.



Seeing as jack dyer was the same hight as dustin Martin. Would a possible reason not be as follows -  historically a 200 player would of played in the ruck. As ruckman were not unusual at 6'2,  6'3. Which was seen as big back then, but only medium now?



What do you make of Buckley playing that giraffe at center half back/full back?  Okeefe?


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Re: Emma Quayle's club-by-club guide to the 2014 AFL draft ... (Age)
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2014, 07:16:00 PM »
- I don't watch much football these days but isn't hale best role forward in last few years

 - my google says Richo 197. IMO 197 is close to 200.

 - you like Patton @ 197... Bt 200 is too big? Lol three cm. sound pretty set in stone to me

- kosi finished on 250 goals. Nt too shabby. 1.2 a game same as Tyrone Vickery... I remember a purple patch where he s going like Wayne Carey,. His hight we not a disadvantage during the wee period where he was killing it.



Seeing as jack dyer was the same hight as dustin Martin. Would a possible reason not be as follows -  historically a 200 player would of played in the ruck. As ruckman were not unusual at 6'2,  6'3. Which was seen as big back then, but only medium now?



What do you make of Buckley playing that giraffe at center half back/full back?  Okeefe?
as i said take out of it what you like i couldnt give a stuff. yur attitude doesnt surprise me in the least.

out of the hundreds of talls on lists you go thru and show us all, the number of 200cm plus players who have become real good consistent kpfs.then tell us all that its normal for these types to become  good kpfs.
when talking kpfs if you want to ignore the very real fact that so few at 200cm and above have become good players well thats your prerogative.

why do you think theres been talk of peter wright slipping in the draft and yet the shorter mccartin is a top 10 cert. simple people are reasonably certain mccartin will be top notch they cant say that about wright in either role.

just to finish its clear you dont watch much footy, hale has played mostly in the ruck since going to hawthorn.hes become a pretty decent ruckman imo but you cant say the same about him as a kpf.played mostly fwd at nm and struggled imo.

i have richo listed at 195 for every yr from 05 - his retirement. but im not going to quibble 195 197 he falls into the area where kps have been constantly good. dont you think theres something to take and learnfrom that. apparently not.

did i say i like patton i dont think so but wonders will never cease he falls into that category.

kosi was 197cm played most of his career as a fwd and most yrs was ordinary imo. he falls into same height category as richo cloke and most other kpfs who have been good not that i think kosi any good.
if you think 20 25 goals a season is good enough for one of your key fwds then you do have the bar set way too low. kosi played as a kp most of his career and only once kicked more than 30 goals.
still id take kosi over vickery anyday atm.

historically 200cm players still play in the ruck.
historically very few 200cm players have managed to become top level kpfs. what are you arguing here.  at 200cm it is still a facrt that most dont have the agility pace and athletic ability to make it as kpfs. 
anyway as it seems you adamant there a re lots of 200cm players out there who have made it as kpfs it will be interesting to see your list of these types.

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Re: Emma Quayle's club-by-club guide to the 2014 AFL draft ... (Age)
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2014, 12:50:14 PM »

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ah Richo 195

http://australianfootball.com/clubs/every_player/Richmond/10

It's saying Richo = 197






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historically 200cm players still play in the ruck.

I am confused by this because you use both past and present tense in a short sentence.


John Nicholas  191

Newman 189

Dyer. 185

Cazaly 180

Polly farmer. 191

Allan gale 185

Gordon "Roy" Wright 188

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198 plus to me the agility mobility suffers from here

Would or would you not say:

'Agility, mobility,  and other similar attributes, are specific weakness in Tyrone Vickery game'

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Re: Emma Quayle's club-by-club guide to the 2014 AFL draft ... (Age)
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2014, 08:53:22 PM »

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ah Richo 195

http://australianfootball.com/clubs/every_player/Richmond/10

It's saying Richo = 197






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historically 200cm players still play in the ruck.

I am confused by this because you use both past and present tense in a short sentence.


John Nicholas  191

Newman 189

Dyer. 185

Cazaly 180

Polly farmer. 191

Allan gale 185

Gordon "Roy" Wright 188

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198 plus to me the agility mobility suffers from here

Would or would you not say:

'Agility, mobility,  and other similar attributes, are specific weakness in Tyrone Vickery game'

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as i said if you read  which you never do im not going to quibble about weather richo was 195 or 197cm either way. for one lifes too short to be so petty and two  he falls into the category where i stated its the height range where  most top level kpfs have  played. mate you just look silly.

i would say vickerys agility and mobility good for a 200cm player but its largely negated by two things. first the slightly shorter players that play on him are usually more agile and mobile  hence this advantage is negated. secondly he is so poor in other  areas that you expect 200cm players to be good in,  that decent assetts like agility arent enough   to off set these things.
hm yr 7 nearly 100 games  25 yrs old not long after the season starts, and one word sums his career up to date. ORDINARY.   Yet you carry on like a little bitch because people dare criticise poor old vickers one your favorites..  you dont really believe he doesnt deserve the critiques surely.


by the way im still waiting for your list of 200cm plus  players who have become top level kpfs.

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Re: Emma Quayle's club-by-club guide to the 2014 AFL draft ... (Age)
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2014, 09:00:51 PM »
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