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Telstra Dome ?
« on: August 16, 2005, 09:53:42 AM »
Now everyone here that reads regulary should know my loathing of the place. Can anyone answer me this.

Our home game is transferred as per agreement with AFL from MCG to Scum Dome. Which we are supposedly subsidised - The Bulldogs members are getting in for free (As a return for playing away "Marrara"). Do we or did we get any extra for this money we did not get ?


I will be sending this to Richmond in my never ending campaign to have all our HOME games at the MCG  :thumbsup
 

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Re: Telstra Dome ?
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2005, 10:34:32 AM »
Looking at the ground on tv on Sunday, it looked shocking.  Very patchy.  Someone needs to lift their game.

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Re: Telstra Dome ?
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2005, 12:16:13 PM »
Apparently we make more money on small crowds at the Dome.
I wonder if those clever accountants have worked out that we'd make even more money by winning.

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Re: Telstra Dome ?
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2005, 12:33:45 PM »
Looking at the ground on tv on Sunday, it looked shocking.  Very patchy.  Someone needs to lift their game.

Looks can be deceiving Julz - they reckon although it looks patchy it's playing the best it has in months because it's been dried out - players can keep their feet and are not slipping over all the time. Tezza said after teh carlton game when asked about it that our blokes had said it was very good compared to what it was like before
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Re: Telstra Dome ?
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2005, 02:54:03 PM »
If the club is genuine about winning premierships then they will ensure that we play as many games as possible at the MCG.

If they are all about money, well, they won't changed a dam thing!

Like i've said before we play poo at the TD, our record this year speaks for itself (another thread somewhere here!)

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Re: Telstra Dome ?
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2005, 04:50:21 PM »
If the club is genuine about winning premierships then they will ensure that we play as many games as possible at the MCG.

If they are all about money, well, they won't changed a dam thing!

Like i've said before we play pooh at the TD, our record this year speaks for itself (another thread somewhere here!)

I've said this a number of times before but....

If the Club could play all their home games at the MCG they would but they have to play a minimum of 3 games a year at Telstra as directed by the AFL with no guarantee against the gate. We have to play there whether we like it or not so...

We have a an arrangement where we play 4 to guarantee a financial return. That's smart business

I reckon eveyone would agree we should play ALL HOME games at the MCG but that is not possible so it is in the Clubs best interest to have an arrangement that isn't going to cost us financially. Or to put it another way if we have to play games at Telstra and a financail guarantee means we are able to take 3-4 rookies next season instead of 2 then it's a win for the Club in the long run
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Re: Telstra Dome ?
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2005, 07:01:57 PM »
i hate the dome,always have always will, but i am pretty sure that our profits and all clubs profits  are much less at the dome as overheads are higher their

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Re: Telstra Dome ?
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2005, 09:26:10 PM »
stuffen Dome.....biggest poohole of a ground.
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Re: Telstra Dome ?
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2005, 01:55:48 PM »
i hate the dome,always have always will, but i am pretty sure that our profits and all clubs profits  are much less at the dome as overheads are higher their

Not so X - as I mentioned we have a deal to play 4 games a year that guarantees us a set figure despite the crowd numbers.
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Re: Telstra Dome ?
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2005, 03:09:14 PM »
Well then the club will never win a premiership unless they get out of that contract.

They have a choice, profit or premierships!

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Re: Telstra Dome ?
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2005, 04:26:13 PM »
As many advantages as TD may have as an AFL venue, it has just as many disadvantages, which seem to outweigh the good.

It may say something that clubs need added financial incentives to schedule games there, rather than agreeing to them because that’s their first choice.  If there was nothing in it for the AFL then you could doubt that they would offer these financial lures to certain clubs.

Given the constant criticism of the surface, and the potential long term effects on players who regularly play at the ground, if Clubs asked themselves what they would do in a perfect world, how many of them would agree to play there as often as they do?  If they were honest about it, I doubt there could be many.

And that probably says a lot about where the competition has been headed.  Money is and has been running – or should that be ‘ruining’ – the competition, ever since the AFL came into being.  It’s not all that bad, but it seems that any and every decision clubs (particularly Victorian clubs) now make is based around what will make the most money.  And players and supporters are often the ones who pay the price.

But it’s understandable that the AFL doesn’t seem to worry too much about the welfare of players or the inconvenience to supporters that any mind boggling decisions may cause because, in the overall scheme of things, they don’t really matter all that much anyway.

Common sense and logic are a bit overrated too, which is probably why the AFL got involved in a ground that wasn’t even built for Aussie Rules in the first place, or big enough to hold our crowds?  Now that they have, they have to make it work financially.  So don’t try and reason why things happen, they just do.  As long as the AFL’s making money out of all this then we shouldn’t complain.  Crowds are up you know. ::)
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Re: Telstra Dome ?
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2005, 04:38:23 PM »
Well then the club will never win a premiership unless they get out of that contract.

They have a choice, profit or premierships!

Blade - we have to play there whether we like it or not - minimum 3 games a season.  That isn't going to change in the short term - not for Richmond or a number of other teams. So there is no choice

So I pose this question:

Would you rather we play 3 games a season there probably make no money doing that (remembering at all times like it or not we have to play a minimum of 3 games) or play 4 games there a year make a guaranteed six figure sum and use that money on say, increasing the number of rookies on our list.

I would love nothing more that to play all our home games at the MCG but it aint going to happen in the foreseeable future so the Club has make the best of a ordinary situation
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Re: Telstra Dome ?
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2005, 05:03:43 PM »
Well then the club will never win a premiership unless they get out of that contract.

They have a choice, profit or premierships!

As WP said there's no real choice. The AFL forces us to play 3 games there anyway - contract or no contract. Don't blame the RFC; blame the AFL  for that >:(.

The contract was only entered into as WP explained to safeguard our finances. If the RFC hadn't done a deal (one extra home game in exchange for guaranteed dollars independent of attendance figures), the AFL could of scheduled our home games at Dome against Freo, Port and the Eagles say where we'd be lucky to get a crowd of 20,000-25,000 turning up to each and we'd be stuffed financially as the break even crowd figure is around 30,000.

As I said - blame the AFL. They will give the Pies 14 MCG games next year but will still punish the RFC - a 40-year tenant of the 'G >:(.   
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Re: Telstra Dome ?
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2005, 05:38:52 PM »
I would love nothing more that to play all our home games at the MCG but it aint going to happen in the foreseeable future so the Club has make the best of a ordinary situation

That’s the thing WP.  If it was only a short term situation you could learn to live with it, but with only two AFL venues in Melbourne, it’s very unlikely we’ll get to play all our games at the MCG very often, if ever again.

Victorian clubs have made a rod for their own backs by giving up their suburban home venues, as the AFL can now dictate terms as they like.  Clubs would have given up their grounds for economic reasons, but what they also seem to have done is render themselves all but powerless.  That’s the way I see it.
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Re: Telstra Dome ?
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2005, 05:33:20 AM »
I would love nothing more that to play all our home games at the MCG but it aint going to happen in the foreseeable future so the Club has make the best of a ordinary situation

That’s the thing WP.  If it was only a short term situation you could learn to live with it, but with only two AFL venues in Melbourne, it’s very unlikely we’ll get to play all our games at the MCG very often, if ever again.

The problem is the AFL no longer schedules games at the 'G (except for that Pies vs Dons one). So although there are 4 times - Fri. night, Sat arvo, Sat. night and Sun - available each week, only on Sat. and Sun afternoons will matches now be played at the 'G. 
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